The Childfree Movement

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so far, many highminded reasons to have kids:

[1] spray your genes around.
[2] someone to look after you when you're old.
[3] so you can make your will out to them.

No matter how you cut it, all the reasons will be selfish reasons. You're doing it because it makes you feel good - whether you're having kids or not having kids.
 
WestEndBikeGirl said:
You can decide to have kids to keep your lineage going but you can't decide for your children whether they will have kids or not, or your grandchildren.



Ultimately this happens one way or another. lol! Ever see the opening to Zeitgeist moving forward? "At the end of the game the pieces all go back in the box"
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+1 that is very true.
I do feel those that don't have kids likely don't understand kids, yet they are so simple to understand. Just take a grade A example of the childless movement, make them smaller and change their want of grown up toys to children's toys :D, adults b&#ch and moan as much as kids do, often worse and there's no one to pull them in line when they toss a tantrum.
 
johnp said:
so far, many highminded reasons to have kids:

[1] spray your genes around.
[2] someone to look after you when you're old.
[3] so you can make your will out to them.

No matter how you cut it, all the reasons will be selfish reasons. You're doing it because it makes you feel good - whether you're having kids or not having kids.
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[1] I choose not to extinct myself and to continue my lineage. How is that selfish? I give life to another person. Would you have preferred if your parents aborted you while you were a fetus? How many people would prefer they were never born on this board?

[2] How is this selfish? You look after a child for over 18yrs and u want someone to be there when you're older. A fair trade. If I was selfish, I would choose not to have that child, because I'm not 100% sure I will get anything in return. He can ditch me into an old age home and never heard from again. If I was selfish, I won't make that kind of investment cuz I'm not sure of that outcome, I might as well buy myself a nice boat and a nice bike to scoot around. If I buy that bike, I'm almost guarantee I will be enjoying it.

[3] I prefer my kids to have my possessions. Nothing selfish about that. I would not like it in gov't hands
 
johnp said:
No matter how you cut it, all the reasons will be selfish reasons. You're doing it because it makes you feel good - whether you're having kids or not having kids.
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Red695 said:
These reasons for having kids are very common but they are selfish reasons. You are only thinking about you. That's fine and all and I'm not judging because I am in the same boat. Most of us are like that. But it is selfish and vain.
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If both having kids or not having them is selfish...
Then, please define unselfish... or give us an example, what would be the unselfish thing to do?

;)
 
I think anytime you do something where you directly benefit from it in some way, you can make a case for it being selfish. For example, you could donate $100 to charity and I think you could still technically call that being selfish if the act of giving money to charity is something you absolutely love doing. You could argue that it is no more or no less selfish than buying yourself a Ferrari.

I can hear people say "Thats crazy, when you donate that $100 to charity, other people benefit"... I could then say, well I can give my wife and friends a ride in the Ferrari so they too benefit so technically its the same thing.

I guess something truly unselfish would be doing something you absolutely do not want to do and will not recieve any sort of benefit from but do for the benefit of others.. I actually do not even know if such a thing exists.
 
...I can't believe this thread actually went on for 5 pages...Baby Jesus hates you all.
 
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that's right. There's a fair bit on 'happiness economics' in part because although we're way richer than say 50 years ago, we're not much happier. And apparently giving your money away to those in need makes you happier than spending it on yourself. And Denmark, apprently the happiest country, is not the richest.

So which is the selfish act?

Both are selfish I would say, only one is going to be more successful.
 
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toshison said:
I guess something truly unselfish would be doing something you absolutely do not want to do and will not recieve any sort of benefit from but do for the benefit of others.. I actually do not even know if such a thing exists.
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Getting gang raped by prisoners?

A lot of things can be considered selfless... i help some friends with installing stuff on their phones.

I look up info for people on different forums because i know where the info is.

A lot of rounds were "on me" when i used to be working 2 jobs in my college days...

I didnt expect anything from those acts. I just help and i have no clue if ill get help back from these same people later, sometimes these people come out of my life and what not and i dont care. We could say that in the moment the fact that i enjoyed helping/the gratitude was selfish?
 
Xhumeka said:
"is there such a thing as an unselfish act" ;)
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something an ******* would say.

Its pretty disgusting the amount of twisting of the word "selfish" that is going on.

The fact that there is a bunch of jackholes that think that just because someone may conceivably benefit ( even if in a totally tangent or remote way), that makes the action "selfish" is just the words of a bunch of miserable creatures that have never given any sort of genuine sacrifice and like to tear down those that have.

Mother Theresa isn't selfish because her life's work and devotion probably gave her a sense of satisfaction.

Grow the **** up
 
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LePhillou said:
A lot of rounds were "on me" when i used to be working 2 jobs in my college days...
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Come on, I bet u loved the attention. That's why u did it :rolleyes:
 
OpenGambit said:
something an ******* would say.

Grow the **** up
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We are now veering off-topic, but for those interested at all in this subject this is an interesting read:

http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/life/evolution/unselfish-act1.htm

Those like OpenGambit with a "you-no-agree-with-me-so-I-result-to-name-calling-like-my-kids-i-wish-i-didn't-have" need not partipate...
 
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Why does there have to be a movement? I see asshats that make offspring that should never of had them. I see great couples that could raise a litter and have to spend thousands on trying/adopting.

It's your life. Live it.

There doesn't need to be a bloody movement or one camp better than the other. My god folks!!!! Gotta love how everyone has to defend their choices.

Get on your bike a ride for crike sakes. This is madness.
 
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LePhillou said:
Getting gang raped by prisoners?

A lot of things can be considered selfless... i help some friends with installing stuff on their phones.

I look up info for people on different forums because i know where the info is.

A lot of rounds were "on me" when i used to be working 2 jobs in my college days...

I didnt expect anything from those acts. I just help and i have no clue if ill get help back from these same people later, sometimes these people come out of my life and what not and i dont care. We could say that in the moment the fact that i enjoyed helping/the gratitude was selfish?
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I guess i should included the word 'voluntary'!

And no, I actually absolutely agree with your definition of selfless/selfish acts. Generally I think being unselfish is simplistically putting others before yourself and being selfish is when you are always out to sort yourself out first and foremost and others second.

But this thread has just devolved into literal nitpicking and wordplay so I was adding more irrelevant jibberish.
 
wife and I chose not to have them for a variety of reasons....didn't know there was a "movement"

plus side is being completely debt free at what I would consider a fairly young age (42) which is a massive stress relief....downside is not seeing what the little suckers woulda turned out like....cause it could have been fun and rewarding

I have an amazing wife and a really good marriage and we spend most of our free time chilling together and love it.....18 years of marriage in Oct and together 24 years next month....itching to have kids has never been a topic of discussion.....no urges...nothing.....and we're very happy with no regrets

my brother has 2 boys ( 9 and 7 )...their cool little dudes and I try to spoil them....unfortunately, their parents' marriage is and always has been a total trainwreck and currently in divorce proceedings, and the proper upbringing of those little guys is questionable at best......that's too much drama for me.....
 
Impy said:
Me and my wife have both chosen not to have kids. We are early 30's with good jobs a house 2 cars and 2 bikes debt free so we can afford them. I think kids are highly overrated and not worth the trouble. We have 11 nieces and nephews and looking at the crap their parents go through we will never have any.
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Agreed.

Except we have 4 nieces and 1 less bike............for now ;)
 
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