killerkeith
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All I'm saying is if you want to project an image of "cool pimp single", posting on the internet on a Saturday night isn't gonna get the job done.
The Childfree Movement
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All I'm saying is if you want to project an image of "cool pimp single", posting on the internet on a Saturday night isn't gonna get the job done.
Gixxer6
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Yea, M3, poor reviews.
You'r right. It's no Jetta.
Or FWD whatever they call the Cavalier these days.
I was refering to BMW as a whole, Your M3 may be fantastic but the boys at Topgear feel this way:
"12/20 Cool - Not any more, we fear. Too many jerks have owned them and you'll be suspected of being one."
My Jetta has 300,000kms+++ i have never seen a Bimmer with the same kms in the same shape. But like i said, vehicles are purely utilitarian and disposible for me. The Cobalt was a deal i could not turn down and again gets me A to B.
Gixxer6
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Awww snap now i'm uncool for using the internet, damn you internet and your endless rules.
Maybe it was using the word "snap" in a sentence, on the internet, after 9pm, on a saturday...
Maybe it was using the word "snap" in a sentence, on the internet, after 9pm, on a saturday...
Red_Liner740
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ROFL, are you SERIOUSLY saying that your Jetta has a better build quality than a BMW?! REALLY?? The civic of europe? My 94 BMW 530i Touring had 450,000 on an engine with known issues that everyone feared. The interior was mint, everything worked, not a squeak or rattle. Only reason i yanked that engine out was to drop in the 4L V8 cuz i wanted more power...Now...on the other hand my 94 Golf was the biggest POS i have ever driven....I couldnt have been more happier when that thing drove off with some other poor soul.
This same story is repeated by my friends 98 E39 528i, approaching 400k, engine never touched, clutch recently replaced and suspension replaced. Thing to this day drives better than most newer cars, and i used to drive a lot of different cars in my line of work....why is he still keeping it? He simply cant find anything newer that can touch the car in terms of luxury, reliability, comfort. He'll be selling it soon, to get another E39, a wagon....
Venom01
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Lets not forget the people (like me) who have no interest due to certain situations like financial issues. You should be glad that we can use our heads before bringing children into the world unlike others who pump them out one after another when they can't even support themselves. I don't think we need to go on about the effects of those people having on both us and their children.
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Gixxer6
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Nope thats not what i'm saying.
awyala
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Singapore is attempting to sway its citizens to into making more babies. Hmmm a financial centre with extremely finite land mass, seemingly leading the region in terms of its urban elite lifestyle needs more babies?
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life...ooty-singapore-tells-citizens/article4467085/
As I say, a childfree MOVEMENT is destructive to one's culture. And if the society doesn't average 2.X per family (the .X is for the mortality rate among children) then you have a steady decline in indigenous culture. So for every family that doesn't produce 2.X children (including singles, homosexual couples, or infertile couples) other members of society need to average higher, possibly up to 3 or 4 depending on how large the "movement" is. This means among them, reduced individual resources / stretched resources thus exacerbating the lifestyle divide between the Childfrees and families, thus exacerbating societal tensions.
Either that, or as suggested, the numbers are made up through immigration, which ultimately produces racism and social unrest as is the case with France, Netherlands, Denmark and so on. One need only swing by the Brampton thread on what should be a benign biking forum to see the tension brewing from swathes of land associeted with an immigrant group that isn't assimilating the way the locals would like.
I personally witnessed white on white racism and xenophobia in the UK between indigenous benefit leaches and migrant Polish and Latvian workers when the EU was opened to them. Only about 100,000 Slavs entered the UK that year but the effects were tremendous.
In the case of early immigration to North America, this unique phenomenon was offset by a new quasi-tolerant culture built around material acquisition and lack of galvanized local traditions. The local resources seemed infinite and required man power to access them. Land was seemingly infinite (barring prising if off the "savages"), but generally speaking growth was assumed and perpetual. The American pie was infitinte and each new immigrant could shake the shakles of finite Europe with its traditions off and have a huge slice of American Dream Pie.
That is changing, our resources are being recognized as finite, and our slices of the pies are shrinking. Growth is not assumed perpetual. And xenophobia, entrenched traditions, increased sociatal laws and regulations are on the rise. North America will become much like Europe is, but this is some way off, and in the mean time, the more immigrants invited in, the more the culture changes to suit them. Which is fine...I have no problem with it....and if that's what you want so be it...it's long term anyways.
PS part of the panic to find a peace settlement in the Middle East, and the primary reason for the Lebanese civil war was demographic shifts due to birth rates. Israel imports immigrants from all over to keep the population matching the Arab birth rates and it is a key reason why Israel is now coming to terms with a 2 state solution. It cannot allow the right of return for Arabs, despite allowing the "right of return" for Russians who claim Jewish ancestry, for if it allowed back the Arabs (and families) it expelled it would no longer be a democratic Jewish state, it would become either a democratic state or a Jewish theocracy which would be quite embarrassing for them publicly to openly have to admit this.
Lebanon on the other hand was politically partitioned by the French in WW1, assigning the Christian autonomous enclave a Muslim chunk from Syria, creating a 51% Christian / 49% Muslims (im)balance. Then they went about designating what minorities could hold what political positions. By the 1970s the Muslim population had become over 70% due to birth rates, thus effectively antiquating their political system, which France could no longer administer as a mandate / colonial master.
Demograhics change more rapidly than people often think.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life...ooty-singapore-tells-citizens/article4467085/
As I say, a childfree MOVEMENT is destructive to one's culture. And if the society doesn't average 2.X per family (the .X is for the mortality rate among children) then you have a steady decline in indigenous culture. So for every family that doesn't produce 2.X children (including singles, homosexual couples, or infertile couples) other members of society need to average higher, possibly up to 3 or 4 depending on how large the "movement" is. This means among them, reduced individual resources / stretched resources thus exacerbating the lifestyle divide between the Childfrees and families, thus exacerbating societal tensions.
Either that, or as suggested, the numbers are made up through immigration, which ultimately produces racism and social unrest as is the case with France, Netherlands, Denmark and so on. One need only swing by the Brampton thread on what should be a benign biking forum to see the tension brewing from swathes of land associeted with an immigrant group that isn't assimilating the way the locals would like.
I personally witnessed white on white racism and xenophobia in the UK between indigenous benefit leaches and migrant Polish and Latvian workers when the EU was opened to them. Only about 100,000 Slavs entered the UK that year but the effects were tremendous.
In the case of early immigration to North America, this unique phenomenon was offset by a new quasi-tolerant culture built around material acquisition and lack of galvanized local traditions. The local resources seemed infinite and required man power to access them. Land was seemingly infinite (barring prising if off the "savages"), but generally speaking growth was assumed and perpetual. The American pie was infitinte and each new immigrant could shake the shakles of finite Europe with its traditions off and have a huge slice of American Dream Pie.
That is changing, our resources are being recognized as finite, and our slices of the pies are shrinking. Growth is not assumed perpetual. And xenophobia, entrenched traditions, increased sociatal laws and regulations are on the rise. North America will become much like Europe is, but this is some way off, and in the mean time, the more immigrants invited in, the more the culture changes to suit them. Which is fine...I have no problem with it....and if that's what you want so be it...it's long term anyways.
PS part of the panic to find a peace settlement in the Middle East, and the primary reason for the Lebanese civil war was demographic shifts due to birth rates. Israel imports immigrants from all over to keep the population matching the Arab birth rates and it is a key reason why Israel is now coming to terms with a 2 state solution. It cannot allow the right of return for Arabs, despite allowing the "right of return" for Russians who claim Jewish ancestry, for if it allowed back the Arabs (and families) it expelled it would no longer be a democratic Jewish state, it would become either a democratic state or a Jewish theocracy which would be quite embarrassing for them publicly to openly have to admit this.
Lebanon on the other hand was politically partitioned by the French in WW1, assigning the Christian autonomous enclave a Muslim chunk from Syria, creating a 51% Christian / 49% Muslims (im)balance. Then they went about designating what minorities could hold what political positions. By the 1970s the Muslim population had become over 70% due to birth rates, thus effectively antiquating their political system, which France could no longer administer as a mandate / colonial master.
Demograhics change more rapidly than people often think.
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I've noticed a lot of discussion in this thread about an incoming culture replacing the dominant culture. However, I don't really see the problem with this.
From what I've seen, immigrants here (well, their children) tend to embrace Canadian beliefs and values rather the beliefs and values of their parents. I don't see many second generation people putting the religious and cultural values of their parents' country on us. Nor do I see them adopting antiquated Canadian values either (their parents, on the other hand, do tend to be more conservative).
From what I've seen, immigrants here (well, their children) tend to embrace Canadian beliefs and values rather the beliefs and values of their parents. I don't see many second generation people putting the religious and cultural values of their parents' country on us. Nor do I see them adopting antiquated Canadian values either (their parents, on the other hand, do tend to be more conservative).
johnp
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I'd imagine that it varies from culture to culture, because I can think of many cultures that are terrible at assimilating (even when the children are born and raised here, they're still more adherent to their ethnic beliefs/values).
awyala
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North America is largely based on the premise that you sideline your own culture or marginalize it to an extent to which it doesn't interfere with the acquisition of wealth and or "freedom" (to be read as the acquisition of wealth). North America is predicated on a land grab of seemingly unlimited resources compared to the founders restrictive European old world cultures. Those old world cultures were fundamentally rooted in limited resources, class based societies, and extensive legal systems / rules. North America was a total break from their traditions; there was enough land and resources to allow every sect / cult / ideology to have a literal and figurative slice of the new nation. From the Mormons in Utah to the Mennonites and Amish of New England, to the Evangelicals of the South and the Catholics in the North. Everyone could have a stab at attempting to cultivate this boundless new land in the spirit of material acquisition. Subsequent generations face more and more restrictions on practising their own cultures if this destabilizes the "American Dream".
But with the eventual decline and death of the American Dream, as the slices of the pie available begin to shrink, there will be a rise in xenophobia. The tolerance of the years of bounty will recede. Rival cultures who think their (competing) systems / values may in fact prove to be better than the declining Western system may seek to take hold. There will probably come a point when North America closes itself to immigration to prevent further diluting / sharing. But this will not be for some time. More and more immigrants will come to NA to seek economic advantages, and face increasing hostility, thus galvanizing retention of their traditional beliefs. Alternative systems will also appear to be materially successful, thus challenging the legitimacy or primacy of the Western value system, again, thus embolding immigrants to have 1 foot in NA society and 1 foot anchored internationally. It is at this critical juncture that electing not to domestically reproduce that will cause problems down the line.
Relying on immigrants to espouse the values of NA is naive. In so much as immigrants witness success in abandoning their traditions for material gain, the NA system propagates itself within immigrant communities, however if and when this begins to falter, you will have immigrants along for a short ride, either using the vestiges of Western society or "shorting" it.
Most if not all immigrants to NA are economic immigrants. Most, if not all, experienced minute levels of persecution in their countries and were really chasing a glamorous dream...much the same way sub-Saharan Africans have their eyes set on the UK rather than Morocco, France, Italy, Spain, etc. Most of these immigrants have little to no idea of the life waiting for them in the UK for example.
Immigrants to NA do not come here for the values...they come here for the wealth those values appear to facilitate. Very few immigrants I have known have come here for the freedom of speech, and when they say they do....they hardly ever speak of anything more than the mundane stuff they do on a day to day basis.
There are exceptions of course, but ever ask yourself why refugees come here rather than a neighbouring country, or a closer Western country? They come here because of a perceived affluence. And when it runs out, watch the attitude of immigrants change. Economic migrants are loyal to no one but those who grant them material success. They are fickle and move with the wind and the tides.
Instead, focus on the immigration of communities in Europe to get a better idea of how immigration works when resources aren't so abundant and no one tradition or system appears to guaranty more success than another, when all traditions are on equal footing. NA is not quite there, but it is increasingly becoming xenophobic, finite, and legally restrictive (nanny state). "Freedoms" will be curtailed also, widdled away in favour of imposed social harmony dictated by the elite (a la Europe, before and during the colonization of the New World). Merkel and Sarkozy and Cameron have already declared the pluralistic experiment dead in Europe just this past year! France is the model which best suits Europe...a Nationalist Republic Socialism. Get used to it.
always a wall of words, I"m not putting up with this, I'm outta here
awyala
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always a wall of words, I"m not putting up with this, I'm outta here
You must pee your pants in a book store. See how short I kept that!
Man I hate when people stereotype me, and pile me in along with everyone else on the continent. Please try again.
awyala
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You are of Native stock then?
Religious people are crazy
