man plows through motorcyclists

Baggsy said:
From here:
http://nypost.com/2013/09/30/bikers-attack-suv-after-driver-rams-riders/

I guess it's time to pack bikes in and ban them from the roadways, if people can't act responsibly on them.
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Like I said earlier, same as the ******** in Missouri. They all gangsta. Put them on their own island and let fate sort them out. If you look around the net there were morons on this "ride" with dirt bikes and quads, no helmets etc etc. This kind of bs is what infuriates the public and cops. I'd hate to live where this happened for a while and own a sport bike.
 
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coyo said:
I went back and re-read your post a few times just to make sure I'm not missing anything... but points like; Yes he was in real danger and him running over so many bikers is justified. No sir, he instigated it" are confusing as you're flip-flopping.

At any rate,

He gets brake checked and he stops (after allegedly hitting the bike although we only MAYBE see that in the video). He is stopped. Right there in the roadway. There is no motion. I know this because the camera is also stationary... and the SUV is not approaching the camera.

Well, until he flees but at least in that fact we agree.

As for the "rear ender"; the bike enters the SUV's lane, then cuts him off. The SUV is slowing down (this is why the camera catches up and is supported by the sound of the camera bike's engine which is not accelerating) and then the bike brake checks him.

Now depending on which report you read there MAY have been contact made prior to the video starting however even when the video starts the SUV is for the most part, surrounded. No one seems to be trying to stop the SUV except for the one bike that ends up brake checking him.

Even if there was a fail to stop issue here, based on what I see when the SUV does stop, along with who we know is in the SUV, and the actions of the riders, this guy is ****ing himself and likely fearing for the safety of himself and his family. Not many people are going to just sit there and wait to see what happens.

I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree here.
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I didnt proof read my comment since im at work but next time, ill do all my citations as well so its not picked on ;) As you said, we will have to agree to disagree because from what i see, he may have felt intimitated for sure but threatened, i dont see it. Bikers are intimidating but until someone starts punching your window, theres no threat, only his own fear which does not justify his runnig over bikes and potentially people. Secondly, if he ran off the first time, why didnt he call the cops? The cideo goes on for a while and no sign of cips. Its ture that he may have called the cops and they didnt show up but im sure if i called 911 and said 50 bikes are trying to kill me and my family, in the middle os a busy city, cops would show up much faster. Anyway, as you said, lets agree to disagree .
 
ashkan said:
I didnt proof read my comment since im at work but next time, ill do all my citations as well so its not picked on ;) As you said, we will have to agree to disagree because from what i see, he may have felt intimitated for sure but threatened, i dont see it. Bikers are intimidating but until someone starts punching your window, theres no threat, only his own fear which does not justify his runnig over bikes and potentially people. Secondly, if he ran off the first time, why didnt he call the cops? The cideo goes on for a while and no sign of cips. Its ture that he may have called the cops and they didnt show up but im sure if i called 911 and said 50 bikes are trying to kill me and my family, in the middle os a busy city, cops would show up much faster. Anyway, as you said, lets agree to disagree .
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To clarify one point that you may be missing. BEFORE he runs over the bikes you can see someone trying to rip the door open, not to be confused with the incident later on where someone actually does get the door open and he takes off again.
 
He apparently did call the cops in the very beginning. Surprise, surprise they were late to the party. Those *** clowns on the bikes shouldn't have been there in the first place. Doesn't matter who sees what, the bikes in this are in the wrong. The first time the guy in the rover took off they should have called the cops if they had a beef. The fact that they chased him down would make the driver of the rover have justifiable fear. I'd be trying to get my wife and kid away from those losers too. I hope the ones who did get caught take it in the *** for fines, charges and with any luck get their lic. pulled.
 
If someone tries to hit a window like this in my car with MY KID in the car, they will get worse than what they got. They're lucky it's NY and not Texas, otherwise a couple of them would have bullets in their heads. That's just a point of view of a parent.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
I'm not even sure that the video shows the initial incident, that predicated the confrontation. All that I saw appeared to be the riders trying to block in and stop the Rover.
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That's my thought. The video starts too late. There's an indication that this guy bullied his way into the pack of bikers in the first place while they were riding slowly down the road. But that's just what has been said about it, we don't have the video proof.

Regardless of whether he felt threatened, the video does NOT show them kicking, hitting the vehicle, etc. If you can see that, you have a better eye than me because all I see is a bunch of people sitting on bikes watching a discussion going on behind them. I don't doubt there was yelling going on but we don't know why, we don't know what was said, and we don't know that damage was being done to the vehicle - when he goes by, I don't see dents and broken windows as he drives over a pair of bikes... do you?

This is the sort of thing that riders need to think about, when doing group rides. I've had to deal with road rage on a smallish, 15 bike ride. Someone thought that he was being held up by us and started passing through the pack. Think about it when you've got dozens of bikes, blocking all lanes. It didn't necessarily start as a road rage incident but a few dozen (or a hundred) bikes, blocking all lanes of travel, will result in some very impatient cagers.
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Right. And there is indication that this is what happened. Then he hits one of them by trying to be tough and bullying... and things escalate from there.

FWIW the rider that got hit is an idiot... you don't try and reason with a charging bull, and that's what this guy was acting like. Belligerent and uncaring.
 
ViperZ said:
If someone tries to hit a window like this in my car with MY KID in the car, they will get worse than what they got. They're lucky it's NY and not Texas, otherwise a couple of them would have bullets in their heads. That's just a point of view of a parent.
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Valid point. This would have been way worse than a guy with a broken leg.


To add to my earlier rant, the clowns who get caught on rides like this crap and roc with no plates should have an automatic suspension for at least one year if not more. If there's a second offense within that year, jail time. That will smarten some of the retards out.
 
Re: Group of Bikers Attack Man After Brake Check Fails

In before the lock.
 
Red_Liner740 said:
...and how do you know the break checked rider and his idiot buddies didnt escalate it when everyone first stopped?

He did stop, showing intent to deal with the situation. Got surrounded by dumbasses, and we dont know what was said and done then. How do you know they didnt try to smash his windows then? As you saw it took two hits with a helmet (good use of a $500 helmet btw) to break the window.

To be honest, if i was surrounded and next thing i know someone is kicking my car and screaming bloody murder...yuup i'm hitting the gas too. They stopped purposely infront of him, blocking the entire highway BTW. At NO POINT what they did was justified. You have his licence plate, his description and tons of witnesses....let the law sort it out.

Wanna be a total ****ing tool and take over a highway thinking its your play area? Then think of the consequences of other people snapping. They're lucking he wasnt carrying as he was justified to open fire fearing for his life.

Prime example of mob mentality.....
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Absolutely!

ashkan said:
He ran over bikes and very much risked killing bikers in the beginning of the shot. No one was running at his car or threatening his family at that point. You cant expect to run over peoples bikes (cars) and almost run them over and then get off Scott free. I cant believe people are blaming the bikers just because they are bikers even when they are clearly the victims. If it was pack mentality, then they wouldve all tried to smash his car before he even ran over their bikes. If us bikers are so biased against ourselves even when we are attacked, we cant expect the public to have a diiferent opinion of us and that goes for cops too.
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When a mob blocks the highway and gathers around a vehicle, the occupant of that vehicle is very reasonable in expecting bad things are going to happen to them.

The only thing I might have done differently than the driver is to have slowly bashed into motorcycles all the way to the nearest police station and not let myself get boxed in traffic.

The bikers were a bunch of self absorbed wankers and then mob mentality kicked in. No win options for the car driver as soon as he became the target of their shenanigans.
 
coyo said:
To clarify one point that you may be missing. BEFORE he runs over the bikes you can see someone trying to rip the door open, not to be confused with the incident later on where someone actually does get the door open and he takes off again.
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If thats the case and they were trying to brake his window and threatening him with physical violence, that definitely validates the run off. I dont know if it was thet extreme but if his life was really in danger, then sure, run over bikes.
 
ashkan said:
If thats the case and they were trying to brake his window and threatening him with physical violence, that definitely validates the run off. I dont know if it was thet extreme but if his life was really in danger, then sure, run over bikes.
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You have to look carefully, but you can see one rider pulling at the door but it doesn't open, very shortly after that he runs over the bikes.
 
These are my empty hands, I have no weapons. If I am forced to defend my self, my family or friends as a matter of life and death. Then here is a my range rover, my weapon of choice...feel that all wheel drive baby!

As a dad and a guy that has been riding for some time, I would have done the same but drive right to a police station then watch all the tough guys turn around a run away like the cowards they are!
 
I just watched this video, haven't read any of the comments because frankly I'm just to lazy.
Now I'm probably gonna get some smack for my opinion but the reality is I really don't care.
Now for my opinion lol.
If that was me in the car I would have ran them all over then put it in reverse just to prove a point.
Bunch of tough guys out numbering one man with his family just dosnt fly with me.
I think the opinion of what happened here would be much different is it were a bunch of burly tattooed Harley riders tho eh ;).
You have a problem with someone you talk to them like adults and with respect, not corner and intimidate with numbers.
If it escalates beyond that call the cops. Simple....
Flame away lol
 
No one is gonna flame you for that, as most are agreeing with your statement, and not just on GTAM

boooya said:
I just watched this video, haven't read any of the comments because frankly I'm just to lazy.
Now I'm probably gonna get some smack for my opinion but the reality is I really don't care.
Now for my opinion lol.
If that was me in the car I would have ran them all over then put it in reverse just to prove a point.
Bunch of tough guys out numbering one man with his family just dosnt fly with me.
I think the opinion of what happened here would be much different is it were a bunch of burly tattooed Harley riders tho eh ;).
You have a problem with someone you talk to them like adults and with respect, not corner and intimidate with numbers.
If it escalates beyond that call the cops. Simple....
Flame away lol
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