Bye bye JT….

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nobbie48 said:
Doesn't a person have to be elected to a seat to sit in the house of commons? While Carney could be the party leader another Liberal would have to vacate his / her seat to allow a by-election to occur, letting Carney take office.
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Carney can be PM. The PM is the elected leader of the ruling party who has the confidence of the party's MPs. He cannot sit on the floor. He has to sit in the gallery, has no parliamentary immunity (have to be a MP for that), and IIRC can only speak at the request of the speaker, who can ban him from the gallery if he speaks out etc. if he so wishes.
 
nobbie48 said:
Ignatieff revisited? How'd that work out?

Carney is obviously a smart money manipulator which is great for people with money. It's not so great for the family living on bean casseroles.
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I wouldn't underestimate Carney.
  • He will have the full force of the Liberal Party and Canada's mainstream media.
  • He's pragmatic and smart. PP would crush the other liberal candidates in a toe-to-toe contest, Carney is not as flappable.
  • Carney presents more statesmanlike than his opponents, including PP.
  • Canadian politics is divisive these days, Carney’s comes across as thoughtful, measured, and focused on solutions. He could use that to elevate himself above the partisan fray, capturing more of the middle.
  • He's a decent presenter, although he's only done softball interviews to date.
There are some weaknesses, the PCs need to let loose on.
  • He doesn't have the war-chest available to PP. He won't need as many $$$ as PP, but he still needs some to fund a ground game.
  • He's perceived as an elite, with interests that serve elite ideology and not the people.
  • He's not well connected with day-to-day voters on their grassroots issues like housing, affordability, inflation etc.
  • His past political colleagues are not on his side, particularly the Brits, many of which blame him for current state of the British economy.
While Carney has a strong reputation in finance and world economics, his lack of political experience, connections to the financial elite, and concerns about his ability to connect with everyday Canadians will be formidable obstacles.
 
Mad Mike said:
I wouldn't underestimate Carney.
  • He will have the full force of the Liberal Party and Canada's mainstream media.
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Ugh.
Mad Mike said:
  • He's pragmatic and smart. PP would crush the other liberal candidates in a toe-to-toe contest, Carney is not as flappable.
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They've already been there. PP hurt him. Carney tried to gaslight and waste time on the stand, PP wasn't having it.
Mad Mike said:
  • Carney presents more statesmanlike than his opponents, including PP.
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Only because he's a better liar. Prove me wrong. :)
Mad Mike said:
  • Canadian politics is divisive these days, Carney’s comes across as thoughtful, measured, and focused on solutions. He could use that to elevate himself above the partisan fray, capturing more of the middle.
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This all depends on how you feel about him. To many, he comes off as out-of-touch, elitist, slick and snobby.
Mad Mike said:
  • He doesn't have the war-chest available to PP. He won't need as many $$$ as PP, but he still needs some to fund a ground game.
  • He's perceived as an elite, with interests that serve elite ideology and not the people.
  • He's not well connected with day-to-day voters on their grassroots issues like housing, affordability, inflation etc.
  • His past political colleagues are not on his side, particularly the Brits, many of which blame him for current state of the British economy.
While Carney has a strong reputation in finance and world economics
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Mostly in his opinion. Not so much in the opinions of those in the know. His economic consultation was rejected by Harper in the late 2000s, and despite Carney saying he was Canada's saviour, he had very little to do with the state of things. But he did have something to do with the crisis...

You missed or didn't fully outline that he is seen rightly as out-of-touch, since he has knocked elbows with all of Europe's biggest, most hated and egregiously greedy people. He's been friends with bankers, lawyers, activists, extremists, and yes, at least one pedophile (and several suspected ones such as Prince Andrew) - this is not disputable. He is the highest ranked person in the World Economic Forum right behind the President, and has given the most extremist climate change presentations, where he helped mint the title "climate crisis." He was the UN special envoy for climate change. He has said that the real carbon price should be $170 per tonne and more. He absolutely cannot be trusted to change the carbon levy in a consumer-positive way.

Now the conspiratorial part: he is an undisputed member of the Bilderberg club. A group of uber-elite with ambitions on world globalisation, world government and enrichenment of only the already-rich. Our elected that get invited to their conferences give us no transparency on what was discussed or with whom. Not only is it secretive (to the point that it was unknown until ~2010 in general and not publicly acknowledged until much later) but security is very heavy at the conferences, with municipal & state collusion to keep it both secure and secretive. Now, with his UN title and his WEF status, where do you think Carney is positioned within this shady organisation?

You might blow that off as conspiracy theory. What you'll miss, if you do, is that this is an actual, secretive, elite conspiratorial think-tank. The real thing, that they've made movies about (probably without even knowing that it actually existed). The kind of group that Kubrick tried to show us.

Lastly, the man has only lived in Canada for less than two decades, as far as I can tell. He holds three passports.

Then there's his choice of the most banal and least sympathetic banks and investment companies: Goldman-Sachs, Brookfield, Bloomberg, Stripe, and his involvement in setting financial policy for G7 countries in groups such as the "group of 30" - which is of note since every country in the G7 is running on debt and concerned about future austerity.

Ask yourself: what do you REALLY know about Mark Carney? If you don't know these things, then you really don't know him.
 
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Shaman said:
Ugh.

They've already been there. PP hurt him. Carney tried to gaslight and waste time on the stand, PP wasn't having it.

Only because he's a better liar. Prove me wrong. :)

This all depend on how you feel about him. To many, he comes off as out-of-touch, elitist, slick and snobby.

Mostly in his opinion. Not so much in the opinions of those in the know. His economic consultation was rejected by Harper in the late 2000s, and despite Carney saying he was Canada's saviour, he had very little to do with the state of things. But he did have something to do with the crisis...

You missed or didn't fully outline that he is seen rightly as out-of-touch, since he has knocked elbows with all of Europe's biggest, most hated and egregiously greedy people. He's been friends with bankers, lawyers, activists, extremists, and yes, at least one pedophile (and several suspected ones such as Prince Andrew) - this is not disputable. He is the highest ranked person in the World Economic Forum right behind the President, and has given the most extremist climate change presentations, where he helped mint the title "climate crisis." He was the UN special envoy for climate change. He has said that the real carbon price should be $170 per tonne and more. He absolutely cannot be trusted to change the carbon levy in a consumer-positive way.

Now the conspiratorial part: he is an undisputed member of the Bilderberg club. A group of uber-elite with ambitions on world globalisation, world government and enrichenment of only the already-rich. Our elected that get invited to their conferences give us no transparency on what was discussed or with whom. Not only is it secretive (to the point that it was unknown until ~2010 in general and not publicly acknowledged until much later) but security is very heavy in the area, with municipal & state collusion to keep it both secure and secretive. Now, with his UN title and his WEF status, where do you think Carney is positioned within this shady organisation?

Now, you might blow that off as conspiracy theory. What you'll miss, if you do, is that this is an actual, secretive, elite conspiratorial think-tank. The real thing, that they've made movies about (probably without even knowing that it actually existed). The kind of group that Kubrick tried to show us.

Lastly, the man has only lived in Canada for less than two decades, as far as I can tell. He holds three passports.

Ask yourself: what do you REALLY know about Mark Carney? If you don't know these things, then you really don't know him.
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I'm not disagreeing with you, but that's not my point. Carney isn't after your vote - it's too expensive. He's going for the voters who can't or don't care to evaluate his past, relevant experience, or plan. In banker's terms, he's after the dumb money.

Sadly, Canadians as a whole are not well educated in civics. Our relatively weak grasp on government and politics helps charismatic and populist fist-pounders elevate above capable legislators.
 
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Mad Mike said:
I wouldn't underestimate Carney.

There are some weaknesses, the PCs need to let loose on.
  • He doesn't have the war-chest available to PP. He won't need as many $$$ as PP, but he still needs some to fund a ground game.
  • He's perceived as an elite, with interests that serve elite ideology and not the people.
  • He's not well connected with day-to-day voters on their grassroots issues like housing, affordability, inflation etc.
  • His past political colleagues are not on his side, particularly the Brits, many of which blame him for current state of the British economy.
While Carney has a strong reputation in finance and world economics, his lack of political experience, connections to the financial elite, and concerns about his ability to connect with everyday Canadians will be formidable obstacles.
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Few people have a grasp on the complexities of world situations, hence the tarriff issues. We will vote for whoever appears to have our interests at heart. PP will play MC's connections like a fiddle. The other candidates are wilted lettuce.
Shaman said:
Ugh.

They've already been there. PP hurt him. Carney tried to gaslight and waste time on the stand, PP wasn't having it.

Only because he's a better liar. Prove me wrong. :)

This all depend on how you feel about him. To many, he comes off as out-of-touch, elitist, slick and snobby.

Mostly in his opinion. Not so much in the opinions of those in the know. His economic consultation was rejected by Harper in the late 2000s, and despite Carney saying he was Canada's saviour, he had very little to do with the state of things. But he did have something to do with the crisis...

You missed or didn't fully outline that he is seen rightly as out-of-touch, since he has knocked elbows with all of Europe's biggest, most hated and egregiously greedy people. He's been friends with bankers, lawyers, activists, extremists, and yes, at least one pedophile (and several suspected ones such as Prince Andrew) - this is not disputable. He is the highest ranked person in the World Economic Forum right behind the President, and has given the most extremist climate change presentations, where he helped mint the title "climate crisis." He was the UN special envoy for climate change. He has said that the real carbon price should be $170 per tonne and more. He absolutely cannot be trusted to change the carbon levy in a consumer-positive way.

Now the conspiratorial part: he is an undisputed member of the Bilderberg club. A group of uber-elite with ambitions on world globalisation, world government and enrichenment of only the already-rich. Our elected that get invited to their conferences give us no transparency on what was discussed or with whom. Not only is it secretive (to the point that it was unknown until ~2010 in general and not publicly acknowledged until much later) but security is very heavy in the area, with municipal & state collusion to keep it both secure and secretive. Now, with his UN title and his WEF status, where do you think Carney is positioned within this shady organisation?

Now, you might blow that off as conspiracy theory. What you'll miss, if you do, is that this is an actual, secretive, elite conspiratorial think-tank. The real thing, that they've made movies about (probably without even knowing that it actually existed). The kind of group that Kubrick tried to show us.

Lastly, the man has only lived in Canada for less than two decades, as far as I can tell. He holds three passports.

Then there's his choice of the most banal and least sympathetic banks and investment companies: Goldman-Sachs, Brookfield, Bloomberg, Stripe, and his involvement in setting financial policy for G7 countries in groups such as the "group of 30" - which is of note since every country in the G7 is running on debt and concerned about future austerity.

Ask yourself: what do you REALLY know about Mark Carney? If you don't know these things, then you really don't know him.
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Pretty much. I believe in climate change but I'm not laying down on the 401 in front of an irate trucker.

Fighting a battle starts with arming the troops. Then you train them. Then you go to battle.

It is similar with the war on social change. The arms required are educational, an in depth understanding of complex long term solutions.

Training is in the use of the information while surviving the oncoming battle against the well fed and well connected.

The battles may be won but the war will never end as nothing is finite.
 
The elephant in the room re: trans Canada pipelines is Quebec. Easy fix: No access through your territory for a pipeline? No more transfer payments from Alberta.
 
FullMotoJacket said:
The elephant in the room re: trans Canada pipelines is Quebec. Easy fix: No access through your territory for a pipeline? No more transfer payments from Alberta.
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Quebec is approaching the end of their privileged existence. I’m pretty sure the Feds will slow QC pandering, and perhaps will slow with a PC govt, and the Feds will strengthen projects that are in the nations interest - like the east-west pipeline.

QC gets more equalization payments than the rest of the country combined. AB,ON, SKand NL pour billions into QC. If we removed govt transfers, QC would be 25% less productive than Ontario - with no excuse for the disparity.
 
Mad Mike said:
Quebec is approaching the end of their privileged existence. I’m pretty sure the Feds will slow QC pandering, and perhaps will slow with a PC govt, and the Feds will strengthen projects that are in the nations interest - like the east-west pipeline.

QC gets more equalization payments than the rest of the country combined. AB,ON, SKand NL pour billions into QC. If we removed govt transfers, QC would be 25% less productive than Ontario - with no excuse for the disparity.
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Like FN, the QC issue needs to be laid to rest. It might be painful, but these divides are hundreds of years old. It's time.

We're a country divided. If we keep it that way, we'll never move forward. My $.02.
 
Mad Mike said:
Sadly, Canadians as a whole are not well educated in civics. Our relatively weak grasp on government and politics helps charismatic and populist fist-pounders elevate above capable legislators.
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Very true, I'm a product of this lack of education, I've learned more from you guys then anything taught in school.

But I feel this is part of the problem with our gov, why empower your people when you can keep pacifying them. The more I learn about how things run, the more I feel the gov is setup to protect itself then work for the mass majority. There are no real tools for the people here like there are in the States, or even the UK which our's is modelled after. JT should have been kicked out long ago, but it's just not possible. I believe the UK has courses on civics as part of the curriculum, not sure if there is anything like that here.
 
We teach civics , but in a more historical context , I feel these days things move a bit faster than a school curriculum could keep up.
Things like the rise in history of Putin, Mussolini, Kim Jong , took a while . Elon becoming the second most powerful man in America ( today) happened over a month . Don may not see a coup coming .


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crankcall said:
We teach civics , but in a more historical context , I feel these days things move a bit faster than a school curriculum could keep up.
Things like the rise in history of Putin, Mussolini, Kim Jong , took a while . Elon becoming the second most powerful man in America ( today) happened over a month . Don may not see a coup coming .


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In Ontario, kids get a 1/2 credit course in Grade 10, Civics and Citizenship (CHV2O). At best it introduces kids to democracy, what it is to be a citizen, and the organization of our 3 levels of government. Yank the syllabus then walk around and ask anyone under 40 (they all took the course) 2 questions: What are the 3 branches of Gov't? What does the Canadian Constitution define?

My kids learned that by Grade 5 when we lived in California and as they moved through school. Here's a snippet on my kid's elementary school program in the USA as delivered:

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The California History-Social Science Civics Education for K-Grade 5​

  • Understanding government structures: Introduction to the role of government, elected officials, and the importance of laws.
  • Rights and responsibilities of citizens: Early lessons about individual rights, community responsibilities, and the importance of participation in the community.
  • Foundational knowledge of democracy: the democratic process and the idea of rule of law in society.
  • Local and national history, including topics like the founding of the nation and the state's role in it.

1. Kindergarten to Grade 3​

  • Intro to basic civics concepts through community studies, discussing how people work together in communities and the importance of rules.
  • Exploration of the roles in government (such as mayors, governors, and the President) and how these roles relate to their own lives.
  • Citizenship: respecting authority, fairness, and participating in role plays, group decisions, and citizenship activities.
2. Grade 4 to Grade 5:
  • A deeper look at the specific concepts of state and national government, such as the structure of the State's government and an introduction to the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and national symbols.
  • Civic virtues like democratic participation, voting, and community service are discussed. First school President elections are held.
  • Historical development of U.S. democracy, including the role of elections and the founding fathers.
  • Introduction to other forms of government used around the world.

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sburns said:
Very true, I'm a product of this lack of education, I've learned more from you guys then anything taught in school.

But I feel this is part of the problem with our gov, why empower your people when you can keep GIVING THEM MONEY. The more I learn about how things run, the more I feel the gov is setup to protect itself then work for the mass majority. There are no real tools for the people here like there are in the States, or even the UK which our's is modelled after. JT should have been kicked out long ago, but it's just not possible. I believe the UK has courses on civics as part of the curriculum, not sure if there is anything like that here.
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FIFY

Quebec is losing the language battle and seeing a slight decline in the Francophone percentages. That brought in their new bills to stop the decline. However, I've had two people (Anglos) tell me of poor treatment in Montreal when they made simple requests in English. One wanted a coffee and the other diesel fuel. Montreal used to be one of the more Anglo accommodating cities. Keep it up and see your tourism decline.

Also see it limits your exposure to English technology. If Quebec wants trade with the USA, they have to realize that down there, bilingual is English and Spanish.

It's a bit rude but when you correct a wrong or dispute with money it's a bit like paying off a prostitute. The problem is that we're running out of money and the hookers are getting uglier.
 
Here's an interesting article about Mark Carney. Worth a look. I wish I didn't agree with many of the things in this article. Some I can't be sure of. As I've pointed out, Carney is UN, WEF, WGF and Bilderberg - all of them big money and big government groups who seem to like to use Canada as some kind of a petri dish for their worst ideas.

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Eco-Warrior Mark Carney: Set up to Replace Trudeau and Usher in Great Reset

Eco-Warrior Mark Carney: Set up to Replace Trudeau and Usher in Great Reset
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