anyone switched from gas to diesel car and never looked back?

Another thing that raises the cost of diesel fuel in the winter is that anti-gelling additives (assuming it's kerosene) have to be used and that raises the cost of the fuel. In the months when the temperatures go above +5, it becomes cheaper than gas. Modern diesels are clean, quiet and efficient. I think the stupidest development on our market is the lack of 2.5-3.0l diesel pickups. A close second are the insane premiums charged for diesel passenger vehicles (they may tack on an options package, but how about importing a diesel-powered base model and charging a reasonable premium). The way it is, because most diesels come in fancy packages, you gotta drive A LOT for it to pay off.
 
And you just lost all credibility in this conversation.

Slow off the line acceleration?
urea refills are such a non issue that it shouldn't even be brought up. For one it costs the same as windshield washer fluid, and the urea tanks last as long as the oil change intervals. So if refilling the DEF is a pain maybe breathing air is a close second?

****ing fan boys.... Talking about **** they know nothing about.

you are correct, not just slow off the line, but just slow overall all across the board!

A tale of similar model Jettas, one is a diesel, one is a Hybrid.

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/final-scoring-performance-data-and-complete-specs-page-6

0-60, rolling start, 0-100, 30-50mpg, etc etc. the Hybrid just spanks the TDI.

and get this....... hybrid 42/48mpg! TDI 30/42

As for the Urea nuisance, can't speak for all diesels, and perhaps bmw updated this, but last I checked, the BMW requires a Urea shot every 10,000 kms, and is done by the dealer at BMW rape charge pricing. Either that, or you have to carry a can of the stuff around with you. If you forget to bring it, and the car runs out, it shuts down leaving you stranded. No thanks.
 
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Fair enough, at a 15.3 cents premium over regular gas, the initial extra cost of a diesel engine option, higher repair and maintenance costs of a diesel, worrying about Urea refills, and the pathetically slow off the line acceleration and highway merging ability, I wouldn't touch one.

In summer, diesel will likely cost about the same as gasoline. It's a similar pattern every year.

Where both options are available in the same car (Jetta!) the diesel option costs less than the hybrid option ... and they sell a lot more TDI than hybrid.

Regarding the DEF, most diesels have the DEF tank sized so that it will last about as long as the oil change interval, and you can get the stuff everywhere now and it's cheap. Hardly anything to "worry about".

My Jetta cost no more to maintain over its lifetime than the gasoline equivalent would have.

And it certainly wasn't "pathetically slow" ... The Prius, on the other hand, feels dead. I know that if you go by the numbers, it's decent (10-ish seconds to 100 km/h). It just feels dead.

I towed two bikes in my trailer with a car full of stuff to Deals Gap and back many times with that car, and with that much load, it was pretty much 5th gear on cruise control all the way to Cincinnati and only down to 4th a few times on the really steep sections south of that. Try that with a Prius.

Hybrids, batteries, can only see these improving as it is clearly an emerging technology. Most manu's warranty the battery for 8-10 years, with some offering "lifetime". If I were to choose a particular model, I would watch the quality ratings closely while my car remains under warranty. If the car has a failure rate that concerns me, I'd trade it in for a newer model before my 10 years were up. Not a big deal.

In other words, you'll trade it in before the additional cost up front had been amortized ... and if the reliability rating is bad then everyone knows it and resale value will be in the toilet.

I'm not anti-hybrid, I'm in favor of whatever works, and honestly most people are better off just buying the regular model with a modern-design gas engine, be it Ecoboost or Mazda Skyactiv or VW TSI or Fiat Multiair or some such thing.

With the aforementioned Jetta ... if I were to buy one today, I'd simply buy the standard model with the new 1.8 TSI gas engine and manual transmission. No hybrid no TDI no nothing. The 1.8 TSI is within around 10% - 15% of the fuel consumption of the TDI and it costs less to buy (it's the new one-up-from-base engine) and there's a lot less stuff to break. It doesn't have the trailer-towing and hill-climbing grunt of the TDI, that's the only down side that I can see.

Several auto manufacturers are working on the next generation of direct-injection spark-ignition internal combustion engines that operate as a halfway-house between diesel and gasoline engines, and will likely be operating on gasoline but with either compression-ignition or spark-ignition depending on operating conditions. These are probably 3 or 4 years away from production.
 
Other post showed up while I was doing some research. The Jetta hybrid was designed to game the US EPA test (as with all such vehicles). The Jetta TDI was designed to be efficient in normal driving. Real world usage from real owners suggests that the actual consumption is about the same, with the TDI having a slight advantage in highway operation and the hybrid with a slight advantage in stop and go.

Sales figures of both suggest that most buyers are seeing through the game.
 
Another good choice: the new Mazda 3 with the full Skyactiv package. (The Skyactiv engine in the old bodyshell only had part of it.) I've been hearing a lot of good things about those. And ... No turbo, no hybrid system, no particulate filter, and they drive very well.
 
I wish someone would come out with a decent diesel SUV. I'd be all over that
 
The Jetta hybrid was designed to game the US EPA test (as with all such vehicles).
Sales figures of both suggest that most buyers are seeing through the game.

Right, so Hybrids are all here now to "game" the system. :lol:

Thats why F1 employs hybrid and other advanced tech in their cars now, and some major SUPER CAR manufacturers introduced hybrid powertrains in their cars. Ferrari LaFerrari, McLaren P1, Porsche 918 and so on.

Needless to say, F1 tech and super tech will trickle down to garden variety cars. Hardly for "gaming" the system.

Long live advanced tech. Its here to stay.
 
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Perfct example of pick and choosing statistical numbers to prove a point.

Why did you remove my first hand experience in regards to diesel acceleration? If you're gonna quote me, don't twist the post to suit your agenda.

i see you also quoted the car and driver numbers but failed to mention that right under their estimated mileage C&D got better mileage from the diesel than the electric, just like BrianP has mentioned.

But hey,you keep wishing it, and maybe it'll come true.

The ECU reminds you dozens of fuel fillyps before it runs out of DEF to refill the thing. If you keep ignoring it after a dozen times, then maybe you SHOULD get stranded.

....but then again that's nothing like Teslas battery pack bricking itself if you discharge it past a certain point. Gee, 20grand battery pack vs refilling a fluid. Guess which one I'm gonna pick.

you are correct, not just slow off the line, but just slow overall all across the board!

A tale of similar model Jettas, one is a diesel, one is a Hybrid.

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/final-scoring-performance-data-and-complete-specs-page-6

0-60, rolling start, 0-100, 30-50mpg, etc etc. the Hybrid just spanks the TDI.

and get this....... hybrid 42/48mpg! TDI 30/42

As for the Urea nuisance, can't speak for all diesels, and perhaps bmw updated this, but last I checked, the BMW requires a Urea shot every 10,000 kms, and is done by the dealer at BMW rape charge pricing. Either that, or you have to carry a can of the stuff around with you. If you forget to bring it, and the car runs out, it shuts down leaving you stranded. No thanks.
 
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I put $14 of DEF in my Sprinter's every 20k, and you can buy it just about anywhere. It's a total non-issue.

May have already been covered, but I have not re read the entire thread but when these batteries crap out how do you dispose of them?
 
I wish someone would come out with a decent diesel SUV. I'd be all over that

You CAN buy a diesel SUV ... Jeep Grand Cherokee. Mercedes ML-class.

Right, so Hybrids are all here now to "game" the system. :lol:

Go do some research on the real-world fuel consumption of ANY gasoline hybrid vehicle compared to the same vehicle's EPA numbers aside from the Prius, which seems to be the only one capable of delivering outside of extreme hypermiling techniques ... although at the cost of driving dynamics.

I hope this link works

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=33366&id=32717&id=33927&id=32992

Note the major switcheroo between EPA and real-world user-reported mileage between the hybrid and the TDI. There's no user-reported data on the new 1.8 TSI gas engine model yet, but note its substantially improved EPA numbers compared to the old 2.5 engine. I suspect the 1.8 TSI will use a smidge more fuel real-world than the hybrid, but it will take forever for the extra cost of the hybrid to earn its keep.
 
I hope this link works

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=33366&id=32717&id=33927&id=32992

Note the major switcheroo between EPA and real-world user-reported mileage between the hybrid and the TDI. There's no user-reported data on the new 1.8 TSI gas engine model yet, but note its substantially improved EPA numbers compared to the old 2.5 engine. I suspect the 1.8 TSI will use a smidge more fuel real-world than the hybrid, but it will take forever for the extra cost of the hybrid to earn its keep.

Link works but data is not valid - "Average based on 16 vehicles" and "Average based on 3 vehicles" are not samples large enough to provide any value to the discussion.... for all we know, the 3 owners of the diesel Jetta are the same guy submitting false numbers...
 
You CAN buy a diesel SUV ... Jeep Grand Cherokee. Mercedes ML-class.



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I'm aware. Maybe I didn't expressed myself well. I'm looking for a suv that's within reach of the average consumer, not over $60k


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