MarcosSantiago
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Dooooh!! I do that all the time...
anyone switched from gas to diesel car and never looked back?
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Dooooh!! I do that all the time...
MarcosSantiago
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I feel bad for Honda, and I hope their new hybrids are better.
Looking at the URL that you posted (scroll down and see the table), Prius is almost perfect for hybrid battery replacement, especially after 2008... a battery dying is very unlikely in a Toyota hybrid... and if it happens, hopefully it is under warranty (8 years warranty), so Toyota replaces it with a new one for free.
| Model year | Civic Hybrid (%) | Toyota Prius (%) |
|---|---|---|
| 2002 | — | 5 |
| 2003 | 21 | 4 |
| 2004 | 18 | 1 |
| 2005 | 17 | 2 |
| 2006 | 14 | 3 |
| 2007 | 12 | 1 |
| 2008 | 8 | 0.5 |
| 2009 | 30 | 0.3 |
| 2010 | 32 | 0.1 |
[TH="colspan: 3"]Replacement rate cited by 2013 survey respondents
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Just making sure we're not talking Mayan Calender, Lunar calendar or some ancient calender
If I was commuting in rush hour traffic in the GTA, I'd seriously consider a Hybrid.
I picked up a black 2013 tdi Sportwagan with dsg in September and it's been a beautiful highway car. (46k so far) Hamilton VW is a pleasure to deal with. Other dealerships aren't so good.
I picked up a black 2013 tdi Sportwagan with dsg in September and it's been a beautiful highway car. (46k so far) Hamilton VW is a pleasure to deal with. Other dealerships aren't so good.
One model of car with a faulty battery pack from likely a shoddy supplier does not spell the end.
Most automakers have a 8-10 year warranty on battery packs anyway. Some offer lifetime warranty's.
Majority of people lease their cars and dump them after up to 5 years. A bad battery pack is the last thing on anyones mind.
Say what you want, but the latest generation of Honda Hybrids, are absolutely ssssmokin.
Check out the best hybrid AWD system currently on the market
Hybrid Accord..... 50mpg!
rbjeepthing
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I have been a Honda fan for life it would have been easy for them to keep me as a customer but there lack luster offerings these days and progressively ****** build quality made me look else where when it came to their passenger vehicles. Things have gone down hill with Honda since 2000.
How a company doesnt fix an issue over a decade like that in this day and age and you think thats acceptable is beyond me
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It's more than "one" model of Honda hybrid that has had issues, it has been ALL of them, it's just that the sales volumes of anything outside of the Civic hybrid have been vanishingly small to the point of having insufficient statistical data.
Honda is going to have to prove themselves with their newer systems for a few years (enough for battery packs to start failing ...) before I touch them with a ten foot pole. The Prius is well proven - they're reliable - I just can't stand the way they drive.
By the way, in the interest of complete fairness and disclosure, I also place current diesel engines with the current generation of emission control systems - and specifically, any diesel engine equipped with a Bosch CP4 series injection pump - into the same "prove it" category. VW has been having issues with the CP4.1 injector pump in the Golf/Jetta/A3 series and they're not the only ones.
FWIW the Chevrolet Cruze diesel uses Bosch injection equipment but GM engineers ain't stupid, they saw VW's troubles (and had their own, on the latest Duramax), said "no" to the CP4 and opted to use a prior-generation injection pump for that engine ... because it's more robust. The Mazda (vaporware in North America) uses a Denso injection pump with design similarities to the older Bosch pumps. The Bosch CP4 is an insanely dumb mechanical design.
Just to update an earlier post in this thread, I sold the Jetta TDI a few months ago at 430,000 km due to too many things on the fix-it list (clutch, leaking EGR cooler, broken front spring, "check engine" lamp on) and I'm currently driving a cheap little car with a plain ordinary non-turbo port-fuel-injection gas engine with no hybrid nonsense. I have a van on order for bike hauling this summer ... it's going to have pretty low annual mileage, so that one's going to have a 3.6 Pentastar gas engine.
Honda is going to have to prove themselves with their newer systems for a few years (enough for battery packs to start failing ...) before I touch them with a ten foot pole. The Prius is well proven - they're reliable - I just can't stand the way they drive.
By the way, in the interest of complete fairness and disclosure, I also place current diesel engines with the current generation of emission control systems - and specifically, any diesel engine equipped with a Bosch CP4 series injection pump - into the same "prove it" category. VW has been having issues with the CP4.1 injector pump in the Golf/Jetta/A3 series and they're not the only ones.
FWIW the Chevrolet Cruze diesel uses Bosch injection equipment but GM engineers ain't stupid, they saw VW's troubles (and had their own, on the latest Duramax), said "no" to the CP4 and opted to use a prior-generation injection pump for that engine ... because it's more robust. The Mazda (vaporware in North America) uses a Denso injection pump with design similarities to the older Bosch pumps. The Bosch CP4 is an insanely dumb mechanical design.
Just to update an earlier post in this thread, I sold the Jetta TDI a few months ago at 430,000 km due to too many things on the fix-it list (clutch, leaking EGR cooler, broken front spring, "check engine" lamp on) and I'm currently driving a cheap little car with a plain ordinary non-turbo port-fuel-injection gas engine with no hybrid nonsense. I have a van on order for bike hauling this summer ... it's going to have pretty low annual mileage, so that one's going to have a 3.6 Pentastar gas engine.
Exactly. Lets see what GMs excuse is. People DIED! And GM knew there was a problem and hid it for years and years.
Disgusting!
http://www.leftlanenews.com/nhtsa-s...tions-regarding-ignition-switch-problems.html
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/gm-adds-4-models-to-ignition-switch-recall-1.2551188
Suddenly an occasional faulty battery, which likely has an extended warranty as is typical with most carmakers when there is a common recurring problem isn't such a big deal.
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I haven't heard of many duramaxs having the CP4 issue until tuning them but ford definitely has. From my understanding it's more of an issue with the filter system not having a good enough water separator.
Red_Liner740
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So what you're saying is, People buy Hybrids at a higher price point and dump them before the fuel mileage gains overtake the higher price point?
And people wonder why Hybrids dont sell well.
....while in Europe, hundreds of car models get 3 to 4L/100km all day, everyday and here we're trying to come up with fancy shmancy expensive ways to do the same thing.
And people wonder why Hybrids dont sell well.
....while in Europe, hundreds of car models get 3 to 4L/100km all day, everyday and here we're trying to come up with fancy shmancy expensive ways to do the same thing.
Grasping huh? Bringing up recalls now, what happened to talking about hybrids? Fine
http://m.autoblog.com/2013/11/03/honda-odyssey-recall-unintended-braking/
A problem reported with the Vehicle Safety Assist System has promptedHonda and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to issue a recall forOdyssey minivans from the 2007 and 2008 model years.
The issue revolves around a combination of parts and software that have been reported to cause the vehicle to brake hard and unexpectedly, without illuminating the brake lights. Imagine driving behind one of these vehicles when the malfunction occurs and you can easily understand how an unexpected rear-end collision could ensue.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring...ecall-of-850000-cars-from-Britains-roads.html
[h=2]New figures show that Japanese brands had the most issues, with the Honda Jazz topping the list of recalled models[/h]More than 850,000 cars were recalled from Britain's roads because of safety faults last year, new figures reveal.
Japanese brands headed the recall table, bucking their reputation for quality and reliability, with nearly 560,000 cars recalled – more than those from every other country combined.
Grasping?? :lol: by pointing out a few minor quality issues with japanese cars? Who exactly is grasping???
The GM recall is about a safety issue GM KNEW about for YEARS and refused to acknowledge, even though people were DYING, and GM reaction 10 years later now that Government agencies are investigating? "OH, theres a problem? Lets recall millions of cars" :lol:
Yeah, the above point was in response to YOUR post about automakers letting something slide for 10 years.... "How a company doesnt fix an issue over a decade like that in this day and age and you think thats acceptable is beyond me"
Very much still on topic and in response to your post. :lol:
Thanks for coming out.
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A 30% failure rate within 3 years of a $3000 component is hardly a "minor quality issue", particularly when this has been an issue for years. Stay on topic; GM quality control is not the topic of this discussion unless it concerns their hybrid or diesel vehicles, which the ignition switch issue doesn't.
MarcosSantiago
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Exactly.
Sunny, you call it "occasional faulty battery" but by the numbers provided, it is 30% failure rate in that model... it is just brutal, and even more so when compared to the Prius battery failures (now close to zero).
I like Honda, but those early hybrids they produced were a FAIL. Maybe one day in the future I would buy a Honda, I read that the new Accord hybrid has a lithium ion battery and two electric motors (just like the two the highlander has), probably it is going to be a hit.
MarcosSantiago
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Mmmh, just one comment that "quality and reliability" cannot be measured by number of recalls, much less by number of cars recalled.
Japanese are proactive with the recalls and do them voluntarily, other brands only recall as a last resource, when people already died and the NHTSA or other government body got involved... and when Japanese recall, more cars are recalled because they sell more...
Fair enough, at a 15.3 cents premium over regular gas, the initial extra cost of a diesel engine option, higher repair and maintenance costs of a diesel, worrying about Urea refills, and the pathetically slow off the line acceleration and highway merging ability, I wouldn't touch one.
Hybrids, batteries, can only see these improving as it is clearly an emerging technology. Most manu's warranty the battery for 8-10 years, with some offering "lifetime". If I were to choose a particular model, I would watch the quality ratings closely while my car remains under warranty. If the car has a failure rate that concerns me, I'd trade it in for a newer model before my 10 years were up. Not a big deal.
Hybrids, batteries, can only see these improving as it is clearly an emerging technology. Most manu's warranty the battery for 8-10 years, with some offering "lifetime". If I were to choose a particular model, I would watch the quality ratings closely while my car remains under warranty. If the car has a failure rate that concerns me, I'd trade it in for a newer model before my 10 years were up. Not a big deal.
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Go ahead and explain that to the one who brought up recalls.
Ya Toyota was never forced to do a recall lol
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Red_Liner740
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And you just lost all credibility in this conversation.
Slow off the line acceleration? Diesels make peak torque (the thing that actually moves you) barely above red line. They are absolute torque monsters and my 4wd diesel will spin all 4wheels off a red light if I want to. Crd grand Cherokees have a faster 0 to 60mph than their HEMI counterparts.
Yes diesel is higher cost in winter due to competing with heating oil. I'm glad you so conveniently forgot to mention that diesel prices also fall 10c below gas prices in summer time.
urea refills are such a non issue that it shouldn't even be brought up. For one it costs the same as windshield washer fluid, and the urea tanks last as long as the oil change intervals. So if refilling the DEF is a pain maybe breathing air is a close second?
****ing fan boys.... Talking about **** they know nothing about.
Slow off the line acceleration? Diesels make peak torque (the thing that actually moves you) barely above red line. They are absolute torque monsters and my 4wd diesel will spin all 4wheels off a red light if I want to. Crd grand Cherokees have a faster 0 to 60mph than their HEMI counterparts.
Yes diesel is higher cost in winter due to competing with heating oil. I'm glad you so conveniently forgot to mention that diesel prices also fall 10c below gas prices in summer time.
urea refills are such a non issue that it shouldn't even be brought up. For one it costs the same as windshield washer fluid, and the urea tanks last as long as the oil change intervals. So if refilling the DEF is a pain maybe breathing air is a close second?
****ing fan boys.... Talking about **** they know nothing about.
