anyone switched from gas to diesel car and never looked back?

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ROFL, you're funny you know that....

In on sentence you tout BMW as one of the automakers who are putting lots of faith in hybrid tech, and yet they are one of the few who offered a diesel in N/A, and no hybrid, then you go on to slam GM for bringing a **** diesel and yet they invested heavily into the Volt and way back in mid 90's was the ONLY manufacturer who played with a fully electric vehicle, the EV1.

and to compare the diesel market to the PC market is another laughable sentence...the rest of the world is using diesel primarily, FACT! Only here in N/A, where protectionism has stopped small diesels from being in every pickup and SUV is where the market "craves" gasoline....

SunnY S said:
I consider the diesel market (esp in NA) to be much like the PC market. Yes, Lenovo had a record sales year in PC sales, but its becoming quite clear that there is no future in PC's as the market shifts to mobile and manufacturers continue to churn out more and more appealing mobile options. The same will be true with electrics and hybrids.

From supercar makers like McLaren, Ferrari LaFerrari to Formula 1 new rule hybrid/energy recovery regulations, its quite clear which direction the industry is headed.

"Next to Tesla, and, perhaps Renault-Nissan, there isn’t an automaker in the world that’s putting as much faith and money into electric mobility as BMW."


Take a solid look at who's embracing new diesel tech in N.A., GM, Chrysler and Jeep. Some real winners in that list.

Chevy Cobalt diesel. You go, GM. You go!
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BMW makes hybrids - they have a 3, 5, and 7 series hybrid...
 
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I've heard the 335d had bad reviews. I've only seen 1 on the road thus far

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It was on my long list and I didn't find anything horribly scary in my research, it got eliminated due to price. It's auto only which is a bummer.

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I've heard the 335d had bad reviews. I've only seen 1 on the road thus far

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Just like the last BMW 3 series diesel, the new one requires a load of Urea (AdBlue in BMW speak) to help it with emissions.

You have to load up on this stuff at every 6-10k miles.

Another hassel, another wasted expense (esp at BMW prices), and if you run out of the stuff, the car won't start/run. No greater feeling than being stranded.

Piss poor engineering as other companies have been able to produce "clean" diesels.

No thanks.
 
Umm def fluid is cheap and as long as you don't (which you probably will) have to use BMW specific fluid it's no big deal. Oh and I'm pretty sure the Audi R10 diesel has been pretty dominant in the Le Mans series over the last few years.

After buying my diesel truck I'll never buy a gas truck again.
 
Here is a good read: http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/road-tests/honda/honda-cr-v-2012-road-test/
Now just imagine is Honda brought that engine here?

We drove a 2.0 litre petrol automatic a 2.2iDTEC manual and a 2.2iDTEC automatic.

While the petrol automatic was quiet and refined, it really didn’t have the power to drive with any degree of confidence on the German autobahns. Even using the paddleshifts to change down, overtaking performance was leisurely to say the least. But then, even though the market for the CR-V is primarily private, Honda does not expect to sell many petrol models.
In contrast, the amiable diesel felt instantly alive. A little bit livelier than the 2.2iCTDI I ran for 6 months a few years ago. It pulls well and confidently, is sensibly geared at 50kmh/1,000rpm in 6[SUP]th[/SUP] and appeared happy to cruise at 160kmh all day, traffic permitting. And, strangely, in Eco mode. Yes, even at 100mph the speedometer was glowing green, and 7.1 litres per 100km average is comfortably over 40mpg.
The 2.2iDTEC automatic was predictably slower, but more refined. It was pleasant, undemanding and easy to get on with whether in ‘S’, ‘D’ or ‘Eco’ modes and if you must have an automatic it is altogether better to drive than the petrol model. We saw 7.2 litres per 100km, which was only slightly worse than the 2.2iDTEC manual.
Every 2012 CR-V gets a small display screen set in a recess on top of the dash. You can select your own ‘wallpaper’ picture when not asking for information (for our test, Honda had uploaded a photo of the CR-V itself). Otherwise it gives you details like fuel economy and, if using the satnav, the next manoeuvre required on your journey.
The Honda CR-V remains Britain’s best selling SUV. Brits have bought 193,000 so far, since 1996, and most are still running.
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U.S. sales of diesel-powered cars and trucks have grown 41% in the past 5 years to almost 409,000 last year. General Motors hopes to catch some of that growth with the new diesel Chevrolet Cruze compact car. Here are the top-selling diesel vehicles in the U.S. from last year:
Brand Model 2012 Sales
Ford F-Series 105,239
Ram Ram Pickup 87,722
Volkswagen Jetta 48,099
Chevrolet Silverado 43,015
Volkswagen Passat 26,469
GMC Sierra 21,792
Mercedes-Benz Sprinter Van 20,929
BMW X5 10,276
Volkswagen Golf 10,043
Mercedes-Benz GL 6,688
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SunnY S said:
go hybrid.
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SunnY S said:
http://www.caranddriver.com/compari...arison-test-hybrid-vs-tdi-vs-gli-vs-25-review

The Hybrid blows the TDI out of the water when it comes to city fuel economy.
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SunnY S said:
Keep dreaming. Honda will not be bringing a diesel to North America. They are way into the next gen hybrid tech which you will see shortly in the new Accord, RLX and NSX.

Repeat after me... Hybrids and electrics are the future, and the future is here.
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SunnY S said:
From supercar makers like McLaren, Ferrari LaFerrari to Formula 1 new rule hybrid/energy recovery regulations, its quite clear which direction the industry is headed.

Take a solid look at who's embracing new diesel tech in N.A., GM, Chrysler and Jeep. Some real winners in that list.

Chevy Cobalt diesel. You go, GM. You go!
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Had a chat recently with a buddy who is trading in his diesel VW for a new japanese hybrid. I thought of this thread from a while back. :)

With diesel prices about 12 cents a litre more than gas, and price premium to buy a diesel equipped auto, higher maintenance and repair costs, extras such as having to load up (some cars require this) Urea fluid every 10k. I'm going to stick with my guns and bang on my drums and still say Hybrid/Electric is still the way and here to stay!
 
I've had two bullet proof tdi jettas that averaged 1100 km a tank. Maintain them and you're good. Lots of horror storys about every type of car. If hybrids were so fantastic they'd be everywhere by now.
 
Hybrids are still $$$$ which is why you don't see them everywhere. The break-even point takes forever to reach... so until gas prices hit new highs or the tech gets cheaper, they'll still be novelties.
 
^ exactly, and when you hit that break even point you're just about ready for a new battery pack, and they don't come cheap.
 
Honda hybrids fail.

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/...brid-battery-reliability-gets-worse/index.htm

(Yes, I know their new generation is supposed to be better, but they're gonna have to prove it ...)

The Insight hybrid has been discontinued due to low sales. The (platform-related) CR-Z is likely not long for this world, either.

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/02/28/honda-insight-officially-dead/

The Prius has been reliable ... but I have yet to drive a late model Toyota that I don't despise. (Edit: Once upon a time, I had a Toyota pickup for a long time, and it was great. BUT ... It didn't have Toyota's trademark grossly overassisted steer-with-a-pinkie-finger power steering, for the simple reason that mine didn't have power steering at all!)
 
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Interesting, I happen to be selling my father-in-laws 2009 Jetta TDi. Anyone interested, send me a pm.
 
The cost of refilling urea cannot be as bad as replacing hybrid batteries can it? Let's see a small hybrid tow anything like a tdi. So when is Sunny gonna change to a zero electric bike?


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Well after many years of waiting and years of researching I actually pulled the trigger on a 2011 Jetta Sportwagen Highline TDi. Couldn't be happier with the purchase and really wish I did it sooner. In less than a month the car has paid for its car payment and put $100 in my pocket. Cant believe how much money I was pissing away in the tank of my old Honda.

Also thanks to this thread and many others on the interweb the car had it's HPFP and Intercooler update done by Volkswagen before taking possession. The original owner took the price hit on the new car and saved me over $20k compared to buying brand new.

I looked at Hybrids as well but in my price range there wasn't much out there. Also most of them that would come close to my price range ($20k) are like micro cars that you can basically only use for commuting.
 
SunnY S said:
Had a chat recently with a buddy who is trading in his diesel VW for a new japanese hybrid. I thought of this thread from a while back. :)

With diesel prices about 12 cents a litre more than gas, and price premium to buy a diesel equipped auto, higher maintenance and repair costs, extras such as having to load up (some cars require this) Urea fluid every 10k. I'm going to stick with my guns and bang on my drums and still say Hybrid/Electric is still the way and here to stay!
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I have a toyota high lander hybrid from 2008. I am a Toyota fanboy, love Toyota and always will, but I'm going to tell you the truth about this hybrid: as fantastic as it is, large trucks are better served by a diesel powerplant (as of today, feb 2014).

The current Hybrid technology is fantastic for smaller vechicles, and at this point is quite mature. Hybrid ALL THE WAY for smaller cars. But for an SUV, while the hybrid setup helps with the consumption, it is not that much to make it worth it UNLESS YOU DRIVE A LOT (I don't). The problem is the weight of the vehicle.

My truck has two electric engines and still they are not enough to move it for longer periods (to move the truck only on electric before the gas engine kicks in). It doesn't helps that I like to go fast, the gas engine is on most of the time as I mash on the gas pedal regularly.

The main advantage of having two electric engines helping the gas engine is the excellent pick up (available torque) when I put pedal to the metal when the light goes green. Not very ecological acceleration :p
 
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