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SunnY S said:
Every carmaker does a MMC (mid cycle model change) and freshens up the vehicle.

The point is..... people keep buying them.

Apart from the grill and a set of wheels, would you not agree the overall design language of the vehicle is the same?




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I have always called them mid cycle enhancements. I believe the TL's sales went up 43 % because of the beak change which it desperately needed. That's not my point.....just that other manufacturers have made their share of duds. Hyundai is capitalizing and has surpassed Honda in sales. Very impressive.
 
You're right, American motor companies cannot do anything right...heck, even Car and Driver suppo...oh wait - Ford Focus beats out Mazda and Hyundai in subcompact category...http://www.caranddriver.com/compari...-3-comparison-test-2012-ford-focus-sel-page-6 (if you want to see the scores, looky here: http://media.caranddriver.com/files...t-car-and-driversmall-sedan-final-results.pdf ). Well, of course the Honda should kick Ford's butt...oh dear...nope: http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2012-ford-focus-se-vs-2012-honda-civic-ex-comparison-test

All in good fun, but the point is for every dig you get in on the American car scene, we can just as easily give it back to the imports (case in point: first-gen Honda Insight http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Honda_Insight_Back.JPG - what a stunner...lol).
 
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You're right, American motor companies cannot do anything right...heck, even Car and Driver suppo...oh wait - Ford Focus beats out Mazda and Hyundai in subcompact category...http://www.caranddriver.com/compari...-3-comparison-test-2012-ford-focus-sel-page-6 (if you want to see the scores, looky here: http://media.caranddriver.com/files...t-car-and-driversmall-sedan-final-results.pdf ). Well, of course the Honda should kick Ford's butt...oh dear...nope: http://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/2012-ford-focus-se-vs-2012-honda-civic-ex-comparison-test

All in good fun, but the point is for every dig you get in on the American car scene, we can just as easily give it back to the imports (case in point: first-gen Honda Insight http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Honda_Insight_Back.JPG - what a stunner...lol).
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Wait a minute Dr..... Car and Driver you say? :)



CAR AND DRIVER -- 10 BEST

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_and_Driver_10Best


Top Ten Marques

From 1983 through 2008, the following marques were represented on the list the most times, including both the car and truck lists (except for the 2008 trucks).

Top Ten Marques

From 1983 through 2008, the following marques were represented on the list the most times, including both the car and truck lists (except for the 2008 trucks).
RankMarqueNumber of wins
1Honda73
2Toyota27
3BMW24
4Mazda23
5Chevrolet21
6Acura16
7Porsche15
7Nissan15
7Audi15
10Chrysler13

Top Manufacturers

Further breaking down the marques into their controlling manufacturers amplifies Honda's dominance of the contest over the last 25 years.
Note that this number is skewed by the multiple products picked over the years. For example, the Chrysler minivans were picked three times, totalling 8 "points" for Chrysler from three wins. The Diamond-Star cars were a similar problem, double-dipping "points" for both Mitsubishi, Plymouth, and Eagle. These situations were not "fixed"; rather, they are left as-is, skewing the totals.
Note also that changing ownership can affect the count. Chrysler and Dodge products from 1999 through 2007 were counted for Daimler-Benz/DaimlerChrysler/Daimler AG, as that company had wholly acquired Chrysler in that period. Similarly, Saab's post-2000 products, had they won a place on the list, would be counted for General Motors. Despite strong corporate ties through this period, Mazda remains separate from Ford, Subaru from General Motors and Toyota, Nissan from Renault, and Mitsubishi from Chrysler.
RankManufacturerNumber of wins
1Honda Motor Company80
2Toyota Motor Company38
3General Motors31
4Chrysler Corporation30
5BMW24
6Mazda Motor Corporation23
7Volkswagen Group21
8Toyota Motor Corporation20
9Nissan Motor Company18
10Porsche AG15



Top Ten Models

From 1983 through 2008, the following individual models were represented on the list the most times. In 2007, Honda's Odyssey and Pilot trucks appeared in the top ten, a first for any truck.
RankModelNumber of wins
1Honda Accord23
2BMW 3-Series21
3Chevrolet Corvette14
4Honda Prelude10
4Mazda Miata10
6Porsche Boxster9
7Acura Integra and RSX8
8Nissan 300ZX7
8Ford Taurus7
10BMW 5-Series6
10Honda Civic6
10Honda Odyssey6
10Honda Pilot6
 
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SunnY S said:
But wait, Brian....

Evidently,


Why would they discontinue the entire range with sales figures like this?[/COLOR]
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Redesigned and called the Acadia?
I think they sell 6000-10000 units a month.

Similar to what happened to Integras......marketing changed the name.
 
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All four wheel vehicles are pos.......Unless it's an old American muscle car.

I'll take a 1968-72 Vette over a new one, same goes for the Mustang.

I'll jump on the Hyundai/Kia bandwagon when they start making a real car with a V-8,no gas gauge and only the rear tires spin due to the lack of traction at a traffic light.

:p
 
Jayv said:
All four wheel vehicles are pos.......Unless it's an old American muscle car.

I'll take a 1968-72 Vette over a new one, same goes the Mustang.

I'll jump on the Hyundai/Kia bandwagon when they start making a real car with a V-8,no gas gauge and only the rear tires spin due to the lack of traction at a traffic light.
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They have its the genesis sedan has v8 rwd, and the genesis coupe with the v6 or 2l turbo can both smoke the rear wheels.
 
Battle of the Hybrids.....

Chevy Volt - starts at $41,000 for base model. The one at the auto show was $45,000

vs.

Toyota - 3 hybrid models- Camry Hybrid, Prius, and Prius V price range from $26,000-27,000


Any wagers on how soon GM will pull the "plug" (pun intended, :lmao:) on the Chevy Volt?


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boarder360 said:
They have its the genesis sedan has v8 rwd, and the genesis coupe with the v6 or 2l turbo can both smoke the rear wheels.
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How does it idle at a stop sign, nice and smooth or lumpy like it's going to stall?

Gas gauge?
 
Jayv said:
How does it idle at a stop sign, nice and smooth or lumpy like it's going to stall?

Gas gauge?
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Ours idles fine, unfortunately it does have a gas gauge.
 
SunnY S said:
Battle of the Hybrids.....

Chevy Volt - starts at $41,000 for base model. The one at the auto show was $45,000

vs.

Toyota - 3 hybrid models- Camry Hybrid, Prius, and Prius V price range from $26,000-27,000


Any wagers on how soon GM will pull the "plug" (pun intended, :lmao:) on the Chevy Volt?


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Never mind...the whole industry will pull the plug on hybrids soon. The volume is so low and they are not profitable..I read they sold 26,000 hybrids in Canada last year..something like 0.2% of the total cars sold. And the Volt is really not what Toyota is offering..it's a slightly different animal.
 
SunnY S said:
Battle of the Hybrids.....

Chevy Volt - starts at $41,000 for base model. The one at the auto show was $45,000

vs.

Toyota - 3 hybrid models- Camry Hybrid, Prius, and Prius V price range from $26,000-27,000


Any wagers on how soon GM will pull the "plug" (pun intended, :lmao:) on the Chevy Volt?


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Probably after Honda pulls the plug on theirs:

" Honda, whose 2011 hybrid sales fell 5.9 percent from a year earlier, continued to see lagging demand for its models. January hybrid sales plunged 58 percent from a year earlier to just 1,304 vehicles, with Honda's best-selling hybrid – the Insight – moving just 492 vehicles. The Honda CR-Z sport-coupe hybrid had a 59 percent drop in sales to 363 vehicles, while the Honda Civic Hybrid sales fell 31 percent."

"GM also boosted alt-fuel sales from a combination of more demand for the Chevrolet Volt extended-range plug-in, and from sales of the new Buick LaCrosse eAssist. The latter model moved 803 vehicles and accounted for about 20 percent of all LaCrosses sold in January, while the Volt almost doubled year-earlier sales to 603 vehicles."
 
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SunnY S said:
In the eyes of price concious consumers, its just another hybrid.
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Yeah, true enough I suppose. That's the problem with hybrids..they don't pay-back. They're all in the same boat. Gas prices seem set to spike however..so maybe people will run to hybrids??
 
SunnY S said:
Wait a minute Dr..... Car and Driver you say? :)

CAR AND DRIVER -- 10 BEST
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Lol.

Don't get cute with me - you forgot to read ALL the way down to the bottom of that article:

2009

10Best Cars

Price cap: $71,000[SUP][1][/SUP]
Beginning with the 2009 list, Car and Driver considered the Porsche Boxster and Cayman to be the same car.
ModelTimes on List
Volkswagen GTI8
BMW 3-Series18
Cadillac CTS2
Chevrolet Corvette15
Honda Accord23
Honda Fit3
Infiniti G374
Jaguar XF1
Mazda MX-510
Porsche Boxster/Cayman11
2010

[edit]10Best Cars

Price cap: $80,000[SUP][3][/SUP]
ModelTimes on List
Audi S4
BMW 3-Series
Cadillac CTS-V
Ford Fusion Hybrid
Honda Accord
Honda Fit
Mazda MX-5
Mazda3
Porsche Boxster/Cayman
Volkswagen GTI9
[edit]2011

[edit]10Best Cars

Price cap: $80,000[SUP][3][/SUP] This is the first appearance of a Korean automaker on C&D 10Best.

ModelTimes on List
Volkswagen GTI10
Audi A4
Cadillac CTS-V
Chevrolet Volt
Honda Accord
Honda Fit
Ford Mustang
Mazda MX-5
Hyundai Sonata
Porsche Boxster/Cayman

I see Fords, Chevies, and Caddys on dem der lists! Someone pass me mah spitoon! *burp*

:D


P.S. Take this as good natured ribbing - I'm quite enjoying the amount of info coming out of this thread, and in no way am I suggesting anyone is wrong - it's good to be passionate about stuff, even those terribad imports... ;)
 
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