Too many taxes, payments, and fees in Canada.

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kellen said:
Ah, here we have the rare Canadian redneck. Careful kids, don't get too close...the ignorance can wear off onto you.
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Me? Redneck? Yeassure..

I have no idea who is what. Its not important to my retort. (good use on retort there)

I'm just getting a little sick of hearing what an over-regualted nanny state canada is, every time someone goes on vacation in some under developed craphouse, and comes home to remind us sheep how much greener life is in Craplachastan.

I'm sure dude is a swell feller. And had a GREAT time while on safari.

I have traveled most of the world, and am CLEAR that to live in a place like canada (safe, secure, clean, full of awesome people who dont shoot eachother, multicultural, refined, civil) COSTS!!! So I go to work every day (usually 6 or so a week) so i can live/play hard, and at the end of the year I PAY UP so we can continue to have schools where kids actually learn, roads, clean water coming out of the tap, plows that take the snow away (or pack it up against my driveway...curse them).

So MAN UP! This kind of safety and civility costs. It's like staying at a 5 star hotel. No tickey, no laundry.

No offense intended towards any one person. Just ALL OF YOU who whine and ***** about every decision that is made without your one on one consultation, and then further ***** about the salary of that person who did it.
 
Dankyyz,

With all due respect, your socialist rhetoric smacks of self-righteous patriotism. If you think for a second that the Canadian government is spending your money wisely (ie, $1b gun registry), or that only Canada's socialist model can achieve clean water and good schools, then your views are narrow and simplistic. In fact, the public school system in Ontario is getting worse. Let's not talk about OHIP and the wait lines. In terms of multiculturalism or civility, this can be achieved without high taxes.

I've been working overseas for 4 years, not a short stint or safari as you call it. I was paid $40-45 USD / hour. $300 per foreign consultation. Motorcycling: 10 out of 12 months per year. Insurance: $150 per year. Low taxes, free company housing, cheap health insurance, great roads. And it was safer than Canada. I could camp by the sea (free) and not fear being killed. Actually, guns and pot are illegal over there. The Canadian whiskey over there was cheaper than the LCBO. Cheap smokes, good local whiskey. Price Costco whenever I felt homesick. 3.5% - 5% income tax.

Only difference was that I lived in a Capitalist country where I was allowed to make my own financial decisions and save for the future. But fear not, we all have CPP and OHIP to depend on when we get old and sick, right? :) Meanwhile, when we get hurt, getting Worker's Comp is a breeze, right? Or EI really takes care of us when we get laid off and need retraining?

Cheers!

My bikes over there:

Insurance: $120 US per year
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Insurance: $100 per year
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Insurance: $150 per year
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dankyyz said:
Me? Redneck? Yeassure..

I have no idea who is what. Its not important to my retort. (good use on retort there)

I'm just getting a little sick of hearing what an over-regualted nanny state canada is, every time someone goes on vacation in some under developed craphouse, and comes home to remind us sheep how much greener life is in Craplachastan.

I'm sure dude is a swell feller. And had a GREAT time while on safari.

I have traveled most of the world, and am CLEAR that to live in a place like canada (safe, secure, clean, full of awesome people who dont shoot eachother, multicultural, refined, civil) COSTS!!! So I go to work every day (usually 6 or so a week) so i can live/play hard, and at the end of the year I PAY UP so we can continue to have schools where kids actually learn, roads, clean water coming out of the tap, plows that take the snow away (or pack it up against my driveway...curse them).

So MAN UP! This kind of safety and civility costs. It's like staying at a 5 star hotel. No tickey, no laundry.

No offense intended towards any one person. Just ALL OF YOU who whine and ***** about every decision that is made without your one on one consultation, and then further ***** about the salary of that person who did it.
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dankyyz said:
I have traveled most of the world, and am CLEAR that to live in a place like canada (safe, secure, clean, full of awesome people who dont shoot eachother, multicultural, refined, civil) COSTS!!! So I go to work every day (usually 6 or so a week) so i can live/play hard, and at the end of the year I PAY UP so we can continue to have schools where kids actually learn, roads, clean water coming out of the tap, plows that take the snow away (or pack it up against my driveway...curse them).
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Exactly what utopian town is this, because I've never found it?
In the last sixteen years I've spent half of it abroad, half here, and I've been ripped off, had my house/car/boat broken into more times, been in more fistfights, been beaten by the police more in various cities here than the US, Virgin Is., Jamaica & Columbia combined.
All while grabbing ankle by various "regulations" that are foisted upon you living here for various other reasons than your own good.

I'm just getting a little sick of hearing what an over-regualted nanny state canada is, every time someone goes on vacation in some under developed craphouse, and comes home to remind us sheep how much greener life is in Craplachastan.
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It's the Socialist Police State Of Canuckistan, plz stay updated on regime change.
 
Dilligaf0220 said:
Exactly what utopian town is this, because I've never found it?
In the last sixteen years I've spent half of it abroad, half here, and I've been ripped off, had my house/car/boat broken into more times, been in more fistfights, been beaten by the police more in various cities here than the US, Virgin Is., Jamaica & Columbia combined.
All while grabbing ankle by various "regulations" that are foisted upon you living here for various other reasons than your own good.


It's the Socialist Police State Of Canuckistan, plz stay updated on regime change.
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You are obviously doing something wrong. Maybe you need to change the way you live?? :D
 
Angus Argyle said:
You are obviously doing something wrong. Maybe you need to change the way you live?? :D
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Exactly my thought. Again, my main question. Why come back to this place of obvious woe to you for 1/2 of your life?

Certainly not to complain and pay right?

My life here in Canada has been pretty perfect in most regards. Again, i have traveled most of the world, and have not EVER found a place where all my needs have been met like here in Southern Ontario / Canada. And when i traveled for work, i had to go into both rural and urban centers.

It's more expensive here for a reason. And if anyone doesn't like it, then look out for the person from another country willing to pay the taxes and work for 1/2 of what you are for the same, if not more, work. Because THEY have perspective. They were making $7/hour while the weekend warriors were making $50/hour in the same country.

And sorry, i'm just continuing my rant on the back of your reply as it was a good segue.
 
Dilligaf0220 said:
Exactly what utopian town is this, because I've never found it?
In the last sixteen years I've spent half of it abroad, half here, and I've been ripped off, had my house/car/boat broken into more times, been in more fistfights, been beaten by the police more in various cities here than the US, Virgin Is., Jamaica & Columbia combined.
All while grabbing ankle by various "regulations" that are foisted upon you living here for various other reasons than your own good.



It's the Socialist Police State Of Canuckistan, plz stay updated on regime change.
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Well for one thing...you cant live in Bradford and have your pulse on the canadian experience at the same time. LOL. Your comments on lawlessness could only come from such a place. LOL. Although the Village Inn is a good place to get your head staved in for scratching on the 8ball.

Columbia? You kidding? LOL. You dont get into fights there. You get into HOLE IN GROUND. The kidnapping capitol of the world. Yea. Bring your kids there so they can have front rows to the friggen human ZOO.

And Jamaica? LOL. If you think that skimming the jizz out of the hotttub at Hedonism is a "job" than fill ur boots up man. But there is noting to do on that poor little island but smoke blunts and cater to American tourists. Or cut cane. Sounds amazing. Count me in.

US V.I. you got me there. But you'd have to have a pretty specific plan to live there year round, and lots of plywood to cover your home for 2 months of the year while gods wrath rains down on you. If you have a remote service job or something, or agian, work in tourism (which i pitty someone for having to do right now) then you could be set. Some multinationals work out of there as well i hear. Very niche employment opportunities from what i hear. Never been though, but i'm sure it's swell.

The first two...? Cummon!!!

Current name for Ca noted.
 
Easy_Rider said:
Dankyyz,

With all due respect, your socialist rhetoric smacks of self-righteous patriotism. If you think for a second that the Canadian government is spending your money wisely (ie, $1b gun registry), or that only Canada's socialist model can achieve clean water and good schools, then your views are narrow and simplistic. In fact, the public school system in Ontario is getting worse. Let's not talk about OHIP and the wait lines. In terms of multiculturalism or civility, this can be achieved without high taxes.

I've been working overseas for 4 years, not a short stint or safari as you call it. I was paid $40-45 USD / hour. $300 per foreign consultation. Motorcycling: 10 out of 12 months per year. Insurance: $150 per year. Low taxes, free company housing, cheap health insurance, great roads. And it was safer than Canada. I could camp by the sea (free) and not fear being killed. Actually, guns and pot are illegal over there. The Canadian whiskey over there was cheaper than the LCBO. Cheap smokes, good local whiskey. Price Costco whenever I felt homesick. 3.5% - 5% income tax.

Only difference was that I lived in a Capitalist country where I was allowed to make my own financial decisions and save for the future. But fear not, we all have CPP and OHIP to depend on when we get old and sick, right? :) Meanwhile, when we get hurt, getting Worker's Comp is a breeze, right? Or EI really takes care of us when we get laid off and need retraining?

Cheers!

Hey don't take it personally man. As i explained i'm just sick of hearing people ***** out Canada, and talk about far away places where they can smoke and drink for ALMOST FREE, and pass that off as a good reason to LOVE someplace.

I worked in Dubai for almost 3 years in total. Traveled MOST of the area, where i could as you are pretty much in lock down in most of those countries. They limit travel, and make it very difficult to relocate.

The Emirates is an anomaly. As an ex pat you are both loved and hated. Loved as you are doing the work that the "locals" dont want to do, but hated as you are a reminder of how dependant they are to people with education and refinement. Remember. No schools. No hospitals. You ahve to fly to the UK to see a decent physician or to get a degree.

So i'm sure you enjoyed a good life in this artificial environment, but I'm equally sure that you'll return to your home land when your liver gives out, or your emphysema is unbearable,or your child comes down with meningitis, so you can be treated in those horrible waiting lines at our state of the art hospitals...for free...

Welcome back.
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murf said:
it is pretty ridiculous here. Compared to the usa I was at $350 for full coverage insurance a year for a litre bike. Payed much less income tax, sales tax, and whats with the cost of water here? It was like $20 a month over there for a house. No bill 203 either!
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have you seen the deficit and debt in the states? This year's DEFICIT in the US ($455b US) would pay off our national DEBT ($467b CAD, $390b USD).

ya their taxes are low, but the country is paying for it in other ways
 
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Damn, this thread was actually interesting and fun until the anger management outpatient made his appearance. A word to the wise - there's an ignore feature on this forum, and I've noticed the threads I participate in have become much more civil since I started using it.

Back to the topic at hand. Those are some sweet bikes, and look like some fun places to ride. I'm still very curious where this place is that you lived, and I'm sorry I missed your post that included that information. Anybody who's travelled (and you can usually tell who they are by their attitude to foreign places) knows that there is no perfect place to live. Using some general measures (property rights, safety, education, incomes, health care), you can identify very bad places to live (i.e. Yemen) and very good places to live (Scandinavia, Canada, Australia). Most of us on the board would only really consider living in the places on the "very good" list. But within that list, it's hard to say which place is better than others. Some value greater social stability, health care, etc., and are willing to pay higher taxes for that. Others think it's more important to be able to maximize their earning potential and live with less regulation. For some people, income doesn't matter that much at all, they just want to be free to do what they want to do.

It sounds like the place you lived has some attractive features. It sounds like it has some drawbacks too though. Same could be said for Canada. When I visit or live in different places, I look at the good things about living in that place, I tend to ignore the negatives. In my estimation, Canada offers a whole lot of positives, and relatively few negatives compared to most other places I've been. But maybe I've never been to the place you lived.... $150 to insure a Hayabusa, and also plenty of off-road terrain.... sounds like I could have a nice little shed of bikes over there. Although I'm not big on streetfighting. :)

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Angus Argyle said:
I disagree with this. Most people just don't live within their own means. Can't afford a certain lifestyle, well, get rid of your cable, don't buy the big plasma, no need for a new digital camera every year when they get upgraded, no need for expensive cell phones with all the gadgets if indeed you do need a cell phone, don't need an expensive car, house, etc etc..

People feel they need all these things to have worth in their lives. It's a big joke.
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I have an idea just walk around with a paper bag over your head :)
 
Easy_Rider said:
Average Canadian household debt in 2004 through personal loans, lines of credit and mortgage debt: $69,450.00

Estimated personal savings by Canadians: $9.39 billion

Canadian household-debt-to-income ratio in 2003 (household credit as a percentage of disposable income): 105.2%

Average Canadian student debt, among those who borrow and graduate from four-year programs: $22,700


http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/files/money/debt/numbers.html
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How is this any of the goverments fault?
 
HyoSilver said:
The point Goaler was making was that most of the "fees, payments, taxes" that Easy was complaining about are incured by personal choices and not forced on you by the goverment.
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That's pretty much it... If some readers miss the gist of what I posted well.... I guess we're not paying enough in school taxes.

Oh... and BTW, if you want to keep a significant amount of your after tax dollars for yourself. Guys, get your vasectomy and gals tie your tubes.

Between two kids, gun oil and badge polish I barely have enough bread left for the counselling I need after visiting GTA
 
Gaoler said:
Between two kids, gun oil and badge polish I barely have enough bread left for the counselling I need after visiting GTA
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You mean this ISN'T your counselling?? Your doing it wrong then...
 
Welcome to CANADA, you don't like it go back to where you were before you came to canada, its sucks but it is what it is. and been like that for years.

work to live, live to ride
 
weldingglover said:
Welcome to CANADA, you don't like it go back to where you were before you came to canada, its sucks but it is what it is. and been like that for years.

work to live, live to ride
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I don't like it, but I can't go back in my moms stomach.:D
 
GS500 said:
I have an idea just walk around with a paper bag over your head :)
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The problem is most people are watching TV inside the paper bag.. Mindless consumerism..

Quick, buy the new iphone, it's cooler than the old iphone.. If you don't do it, your friends will laugh at you.. Hurry,,,,
 
The OP was definitely not referring to Singapore... having lived there for almost a year I can say that while taxes are low and food is cheap, everything else is expensive. Cigarettes, alcohol and anything else their nanny gov't deems as "bad" is taxed heavily.

-Pitcher of beer is about $35-40 SG... A round of 4 shots cost me $80 at a nightclub
-Pack of smokes was about $10 I think (sorry, not a smoker)
-A nice condo goes for about $1300-1500 a sq ft...
-Want to own a car? Try $80k for a honda civic.
-You'd probably get sent to changi prison and caned if you tried going 270 kph. Come to think of it... I dont recall ever seeing any big bikes while there.. everyone was riding < 250 cc 2 strokes.

CageyB said:
Ooooh, sorry. The price is too high for the showcase.

I'll go with Singapore. My reasoning? My IT department shut down the server for maintenance, so out of boredom I wiki'd the tax rates around the world. Singapore fits the 3.5-5.5% tax bracket if he made around S$30000, which translates to roughly CDN$22000, which also explains why he left the country to work here. I've also been told that they have obscenely cheap smokes.
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