I lived in Detroit for several years.......no incidents. My observation is that most of my friends have moved to the USA from Canada, and not many have done the opposite. Even resently with the strong Canadian dollar.
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Too many taxes, payments, and fees in Canada.
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In Detroit? like East pointe, Lincoln park, Hamtramck type neighbourhoods? I have enough trouble fitting in during the daylight hours...
Tuition fees in Ontario are still heavily subsidized by the provincial government, just not to the extent that they are in Europe. If you want to get an idea of just how much, take a look at the tuition fees charged to visa students, which themselves are also still somewhat subsidized.
Also, have a look at what tuition fees are south of the border. When I took my M.Ed. post-grad courses in Syracuse, I was quite surprised to find that tuition rates were literally double what they were for post-grad courses at UoT and UoW at the time.
Ontario universities making a profit is a bit of a misnomer. All of the public chartered universities operating in Ontario are formally registered as non-profit institutions. They are supposed to budget on a cost-recovery basis, and any surplus in a given year is generally applied to future operating and infrastructure development costs.
I don't live in Toronto
Even the worst parts of Kitchener, Hamilton, Toronto (Jane Street), etc. feel nothing like parts of Detroit and Inglewood around LAX. I've still felt fairly safe, but have been more concerned about safety in parts of Regina and Edmonton. But to be honest, Canada is a pretty safe and secure place.
These are observations - I have better things to do than look up exact stats.
Stats are easily had.
Now, just for completeness, the rate used to compare homicide rates comes from 2007. Toronto experienced a spike in homicides that year, mostly involving gang related shootings and reprisal shootings, eventually totalling 84 for the year.
Even with that spike in 2007, Toronto 3.3 per 100,000 homicide rate for that year still looks almost angelic in comparison to most other cities. Since then, Toronto's homicide rate has steadily declined. Last year saw 60 murders, lowering Toronto's homicide rate to about 2.5 per 100,000 people.
95% of those murders in Detroit happened to a certain segment of the population that Im not a part off, in an area that I did not work/live in and therefore wasn't an issue. I never looked at any statistics when I moved there. Never looked at the statistics when I went to work in Indiana either.
unis make tons of money, just because its not doled out to shareholders doesnt mean they aren't ripping us a new one with their fees
explain how my uni had 200mill to waste on a new sports complex if they arent making a cent
explain how my uni had 200mill to waste on a new sports complex if they arent making a cent
You're a model Canadian citizen.. lol :lol:
Are you suggesting that sports facilities for students are not a legitimate part of university facilities and life? Many would strongly disagree with you on that.
Also, there's "not making a cent", and there is budgeting and putting aside funds into reserves to pay for infrastructure replacement and improvements. The two are very different.
What doesn't make sense though is that North America charges for school, and a **** load for it mind you, while other nations that give it out for free are not having problems with the school systems at all. A friend of mine in Norway gets PAID to go to school, cause he lives by himself, and they understand with school, you don't have much time to work and feed yourself as well as pay rent, so they give him money ( not a hell of a lot, it would be equal to welfare, BUT he can also get a small part time job ) while his schooling is also free. He was complaining about paying $600 for his books, and I reminded him that people here, pay that, and pay thousands just to go to school. He agreed that is down right evil. Unless you have a well off family, you will be going into debt, and will be paying off that debt for many years after you are done school, also assuming you are just lucky enough to get a job in that field when you graduate.
I agree with what you're saying, and am under no means of the impression that they're 'money factories'.
With some prior knowledge of college and university administration, and painting with a broad-stroke brush, I wouldn't say that universities are very well-governed or are great at spending that money. I wish there were more accountability in the spending - both on how much people are being paid (faculty, maintenance, overtime handed out) and how projects and growth are being accounted for (capital projects assigned, project management). After all, this is the end point for a reasonable piece of the tax pie. My home university has non-completable legacy projects from the previous chancellor and has had several successive budgetary shortfalls.
Just because universities are expensive to attend does not mean they're profitable! And for better or worse, they're not run like businesses - or at least good businesses.
A bright spot for Canadian universities is that, for several professional faculties, there are strong, legislated governing bodies which audit and maintain the standards for corresponding professional faculties (in my case, a national engineering board audited my undergrad program for compliance at set intervals). From what I have heard, there is a far greater level of school-school variance in the US and in other regions.
That said, my degree has served me very well and has enabled a pretty good career - and a motorcycle purchase.
(Aside - I had a look for a pie chart of the total expenditure of Canadian tax - was hoping for a generalized chart of everything, but I'd settle for Federal. Has anyone seen one? I've seen one for the US...)
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Deimos
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Look at the difference in tax rates between Canada, US, and many of the European countries that offer "free" education.
US tuition rates > Canadian tuition rates > European tuition rates. US tax rates < Canadian tax rates < European tax rates.
There is no free lunch, anywhere. What the government gives for "free", the taxpayer ultimately pays for. And what the government does not give for free, the taxpayer also pays for.
At least with personal debt, whether incurred gaining an education or otherwise, once it's paid off it's done and no longer a drain on your personal finances. In contrast, high tax rates are forever.
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I think by and large, most universities and colleges these days are in fact run very much like businesses. Check out the credentials of the heads of any major university and you'll tend to see backgrounds built in big business, not academia.
That said, universities and colleges will never be run according to a strict financial bottom line. Unlike big business, universities and colleges also have broad cultural and social mandates that they are expected to fulfill.
Lol, I wouldn't move to Caracas neither and I lived there for 5 years. However the rest of the country specially Margarita Island is good to go depending on what you want of a life style. I was just anwering his question. However, Caracas was an amazing city to live..until chavez
This kind of **** cracks me up. It's what's ****ing wrong with post-secondary education. People show up to get a piece of paper and walk. Then they wonder they can't find a job. Go to university, experience the social growth, not the educational growth. Because 90% of what you learn there is completely ****ing useless and you won't ever use it.
Social growth however is how you become an adult and grow up from living in mommy and daddy's house to being a real man or woman. The stuff I learned in University outside of class is how I got to where I am today and it's frankly sad how few people realize that in this country.
Ex-big business heads are roped in due to the hopes of them bringing big cash sponsors behind them. That's about the only reason.
I'd just be happy if my alma mater spent less than it brought in! It hasn't, for the past few years...
Maybe that's why my alum society keeps calling me? Not that I mind the free magazine, it's got a cool typeface and occasionally has interesting articles...
I am surprised by the level of growth in the sector. I understand that Canada's objective is to become a 'educated society' (which I do support), but our birth rate keeps going down and our strategy is to recruit educated immigrants.
I support the mandate but it's not doing my pockets any favors. Like anything else there's a balance.
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