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These Conservatives
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Shaman
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I don't see anyone else doing it unless you're going to tell me about Singh doing tiktok cooking videos.
Armani apron?
He's probably right.
70k views in 14hrs on his latest video, that's pretty good.
JT almost blew it 5 seconds in.
Mad Mike
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Turns out… no.
Are people turning down their furnaces or changing to pricy electric heat because of carbon tax? No.
Are they taking more public transit? No.
Are they buying electric cars to save fuel? Not in meaningful numbers.
Are they paying more for groceries? Absolutely.
How about paying more for housing? Yes, that too.
Regulation works. Incentives work. Punitive punishments only work when the options are clear, available, and cost neutral. Look at cigarettes and alcohol, both have increased 20% in price over the last 5 years, abuse rates are rising on both. Notice any reduction in pickup trucks since the carbon tax kicked in?
Write that off a a political gaffe or maybe just a way to take all the oxygen in the room when he needed any kind of press.
It not relevant to anything as we go forward. It’s not like proclaiming that budgets balance themselves.
You don't know, but you're going to throw it out there regardless. Let's see a citation.
My money's on deflection.
OK Mr Obvious Conservative Supporter. Explain, in general terms, what sort of incentives you would like to see and for doing what, and where is the money going to come from.
I don't disagree that incentives for purchasing energy-efficient devices (furnace, car, lighting, you name it) are necessary to spur adoption. It's part of the picture. And incentives are necessary for installing, and operating and maintaining, EV charging stations EVERYwhere.
Where's the money going to come from?
Subsidize purchase of EVs via additional taxes on combustion-engine vehicles? Are you going to do this to ALL combustion-engine vehicles, or only the ones for which an alternative is available (who decides? what's the incentive for vehicle manufacturers to build vehicles in other segments outside of those in which EVs are already available today)? How are you going to sell that to Mr Pretend Cowboy driving their jacked-up V8 pickup truck? (N.B. We've already got EV purchase subsidies. Maybe they need to be bigger.)
Subsidize installation of heat pumps in lieu of gas furnaces? (Already have some of this.) Who pays?
And have you heard as much as a whisper of PP supporting any of this? Or is he just going to go to every government department that administers any of this, and press "OFF"?
Since you mentioned it first why don’t you support your side. Chronology and all that. Once you have your go I’ll do mine.
Awesome.
Mad Mike
Well-known member
Any of these once rising stars still rising?
Where is Mendocino?
How about David Johnson’s legacy? What’s he going to be remembered for?
Anthony Rota hasn’t shown up in to Ottawa since his fall, he lost his job and his balls.
Where is Freeland? minister of everything? JT was grooming her as the “Next one”, now she’s reduced to being a meme.
This is what happens when an opposition can clearly communicate ineptitude. The weak fall.
Ask any of them if they feel “crushed”.
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PP’s rage farming makes better headlines Mike and that’s what sells ads these days. I’m pretty sure those people aren’t that bothered by the “savaging” you think they got to be honest.
What was PP’s last big bill he introduced by the way when he wasn’t pumping out 180 degree statements against anything liberal?
That's a whole lot of nothing, and it sounds a lot like cancelling existing programs. Unless shown otherwise, I leave him filed in the "climate-denier, do nothing" pigeonhole. It doesn't exactly help that this interview was with the Toronto Sun, which is a right-wing rag, and they're spouting the typical anti-EV anti-progress talking points. We, as a society, need to move forward, not backward.
Agree to disagree
Didn't come across as anti EV to me in the slightest.
How do you suggest we move forward? cause starving people out of their homes to me is not a good start
Mad Mike
Well-known member
Funding is not from carbon tax because that’s mostly being gobbled up in govt overhead and the social programs that redistribute wealth thru direct payments.
Incentives drive behaviours if they are meaningful and have an advantage that is understandable and quantifiable.
Charging stations everywhere? Ok, gas retailer wants to build or rebuild his gas station? Ok, but 1 electric pump for every 2 gas pumps.
The first $300m can come from annual cost savings related to collection and distribution of the tax.
Maybe we eliminate HST on EVs that sell for under $30k.
Maybe we sell a shitton of LNG to Europe and China. collect a lot of tax revenues while reducing their carbon footprint by weaning them off coal.
I’d get behind taxing surplus power in cars and trucks. Power to weight ratio equations might work, l/100km might work.
That worked. Shifting electrical loads to consumers is a big win for electricity producers and the environment. Note this is an incentive and it’s proven.
It’s not his job yet. The oppositions role is exactly what he is doing. Policy is made when you have the chance to execute. That starts at an election kickoff. Till then the opposition keeps their powder dry.
Mad Mike
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So, we just plod along and let JT do the same thing to the working man’s car as he’s done to his house?
Doubleing cost for the working and middle class is an elitist solution. Not gonna fly anymore.
Easing them along with the cooperation of the producer seems like a better solution.
How does my offhanded comment about Singh wearing an Armani apron while cooking equate to let alone have anything to do with him having more money that Poilievre?
Apparently you don't jump to conclusions, you cannonball straight into them like a boss. And a pretty weak deflection, but a deflection none the less.
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There is no way, no matter how you slice it, other than making fossil fuel and the stuff that uses it cost more, and use that to subsidize what's needed to get off fossil fuel.
Norway (along with other Scandinavian countries) has historically had very high sales taxes on cars. That allowed them to bring in tax exemptions or reductions on EVs, which has led to very high EV adoption in that country. BUT. They were starting from a point where people were accustomed to paying high taxes on such purchases. When Germans were driving around in Mercedes, Danes were making do with Fiat 127 because that's what they could afford. I recall seeing an American car in a showroom in Denmark (very rare!) and accounting for the currency, it was 3 times the price of the same car in Canada.
Maybe Poilievre will pull something out of a hat. It's possible. But, his pandering to Alberta and the wishy-washy statements in the video above (and elsewhere) doesn't make me optimistic.
"Doing nothing is not an acceptable option"
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