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****. I really like you, Brian P. But your grasp on politics and economics, not so much. Let's agree to eat burgers at the CROT and leave politics behind.

As for Conservative politics, PP has it right: how are you going to buy an EV when you're $2000 or more poorer every year, and just as importantly, light on money until your rebate comes back, so you can't make steady payments? Making working people poorer WILL NOT HELP with emissions. It'll do just the opposite.
 
How does my offhanded comment about Singh wearing an Armani apron while cooking equate to let alone have anything to do with him having more money that Poilievre?

Apparently you don't jump to conclusions, you cannonball straight into them like a boss. And a pretty weak deflection, but a deflection none the less.

:)
 
There is no way, no matter how you slice it, other than making fossil fuel and the stuff that uses it cost more, and use that to subsidize what's needed to get off fossil fuel.
Brian, I think you might not really understand how carbon tax works in Canada.

There are two fundamental drivers:
goal 1) A punitive tax on fossil fuels designed to steer consumers to lower carbon sources of energy. One would think this gets distributed in the form of green incentives or public investments into green infracture. Nope. 90% of Carbon tax is round tripped to Canadians through rebates, 10% goes to the costs of govt administration of the tax admin.

Punitive taxes work, albeit poorly, when there is a viable alternative and when you’re trying to change non essential behaviours (smoking, drinking, gambling).

goal 2) Redistribution of wealth from richer to poorer through direct payments from the govt. This rebate in Ontario has absolutely zero to do with climate change, it’s just plain social warrior stuff.

How does sending “free money” to people ever work out? Like offering free food to raccoons.

Norway (along with other Scandinavian countries) has historically had very high sales taxes on cars. That allowed them to bring in tax exemptions or reductions on EVs, which has led to very high EV adoption in that country. BUT. They were starting from a point where people were accustomed to paying high taxes on such purchases. When Germans were driving around in Mercedes, Danes were making do with Fiat 127 because that's what they could afford. I recall seeing an American car in a showroom in Denmark (very rare!) and accounting for the currency, it was 3 times the price of the same car in Canada.


Maybe Poilievre will pull something out of a hat. It's possible. But, his pandering to Alberta and the wishy-washy statements in the video above (and elsewhere) doesn't make me optimistic.

"Doing nothing is not an acceptable option"
Norway is an outlier with such tiny population and a benevolent state (compare them to Middle Eastern Oil kingdoms).

Is it not strange to you that a country that funds itself by selling the very fossil fuels we’re trying to eliminate can be held up as a model for climate change?

What if we assessed climate impact based on who sold the oil or coal instead of who burned it. How would Norway stand up?
 
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There is no country in the world that cannot be criticised in some manner.

So, I gather that you're in favour of keeping the carbon tax, but changing how it's returned to the economy in the form of incentives for low-carbon-emitting behaviour - be it heat pumps or EVs or whatever. Correct?

Believe it or not ... I am on board with that general suggestion.

Now let's see if PP promises anything of the sort ... although his familiar slogan "axe the tax" doesn't sound promising.
 
Turns out… no.

Are people turning down their furnaces or changing to pricy electric heat because of carbon tax? No.

Are they taking more public transit? No.

Are they buying electric cars to save fuel? Not in meaningful numbers.

Are they paying more for groceries? Absolutely.

How about paying more for housing? Yes, that too.

Regulation works. Incentives work. Punitive punishments only work when the options are clear, available, and cost neutral. Look at cigarettes and alcohol, both have increased 20% in price over the last 5 years, abuse rates are rising on both. Notice any reduction in pickup trucks since the carbon tax kicked in?


Write that off a a political gaffe or maybe just a way to take all the oxygen in the room when he needed any kind of press.

It not relevant to anything as we go forward. It’s not like proclaiming that budgets balance themselves.
If a personcan afford a $120,000 pickup truck they don't have to worry that much about fuel for it.

The person scraping by with a ten year old Caravan has already tightened his belt to the max.

The band in the middle adjusts to the new tax.
 
There is no country in the world that cannot be criticised in some manner.

So, I gather that you're in favour of keeping the carbon tax, but changing how it's returned to the economy in the form of incentives for low-carbon-emitting behaviour - be it heat pumps or EVs or whatever. Correct?

Believe it or not ... I am on board with that general suggestion.

Now let's see if PP promises anything of the sort ... although his familiar slogan "axe the tax" doesn't sound promising.
As conservative as I am, I’d support taxing carbon use as long as it didn’t cause undue stress and pain on the working class AND the funds were used for public infrastructure necessary to facilitate climate change goals. Charging networks, electrification of transit, and rail, large scale geothermal energy for heating.

I don’t support social “Robin Hood” programs being buried inside climate change taxes like we have today.

I don’t support punitive taxes that cannot change behaviours when there are no practical or economical alternatives.
 
I don't see anyone else doing it unless you're going to tell me about Singh doing tiktok cooking videos.
I'm surprised. They're called teen influencers.
 
So, another politician who cherry picks facts during speeches and has perfected the Kansas city shuffle. I didn't learn anything about Pierre I didn't already know.

Did Pierre take questions? Did he answer them? Did he come across as understanding of Canadians hardships or just a rich blow hard trying to get my vote?

So many questions about his report and i found certain parts (imo) disingenuous and other's frankly shocking;

Tough on crime, yada yada.

Last I checked the economic capital of this country (and the 4th? largest city on this continent) has been front page news, not only here but in other countries over not only our stance on crime but frankly the lack of appropriate measures to curb it.

He’s fine with a news media-free Canada.

LOL i won't even dignify this with an argument, I find it laughable

Thankfully it doesn't read as a hit piece. Just someone whose bias may be overshadowing his professionalism. I'll even ignore the fact that he's associated with the CBC (hosts online content through them).
 
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The title of that article tells you all you need to know about how the article will be written.

Can we not even have the appearance of impartiality?
 
we cannot keep on voting liberal or conservative and expect change. I will keep voting green. wake up and vote for a change. we need to show the politicians that we have the power to change our government..
 
Yawn.

Another woke reporter ranting from his soapbox. Halifax Examiner is rabble of social warriors, it's ope-eds disguised as news. Call it a leftie equivalent to Rebel.

Not somewhere to look for news, or a balanced or objective view on anything.
 
we cannot keep on voting liberal or conservative and expect change. I will keep voting green. wake up and vote for a change. we need to show the politicians that we have the power to change our government..
Are you voting green to be different or do you believe they have policies that work worn well as a governing power?

While it can never happen as the rules are made by the pigs at the trough, I would love to have a check or x on the ballot where you can rate the existing elected representative. Too many x's and they lose something important (revoke pension matching contributions, can no longer be on the public payroll, etc).
 
we cannot keep on voting liberal or conservative and expect change. I will keep voting green. wake up and vote for a change. we need to show the politicians that we have the power to change our government..
This honestly is the answer, I've slowly started to believe another party and values is what we need. These 2 parties have f'over this country enough. It's time for real change and it's not from left or right.
 
This honestly is the answer, I've slowly started to believe another party and values is what we need. These 2 parties have f'over this country enough. It's time for real change and it's not from left or right.
Do you think the parties are the problem or the people? By definition you have to be a liar or idiot to get elected as people vote for rainbows and unicorns not restraint.

I would love a no-party system. Many of the current problems are caused by parties imo. Vote for the local representative you think will do the best job for your area. Those representatives go to parliament and elect one of them to be PM/premier. No more voting on party lines, no more one or two morons controlling the fate of the country.
 
Australian voting system should allow some departure from the left and right tropes but still has fallen in the same wagon ruts - mind you with coalition parties involved.
At least Australian system likely represents a better system than the FPTP in Canada
The system presently has a number of distinctive features including compulsory enrolment; compulsory voting; majority-preferential instant-runoff voting in single-member seats to elect the lower house, the House of Representatives; and the use of the single transferable vote proportional representation system to elect the upper house, the Senate.[1]

The timing of elections is governed by the Constitution and political conventions. Generally, elections are held approximately every three years and are conducted by the independent Australian Electoral Commission (AEC).
The thing I don't like is the three year mandates .
 
Do you think the parties are the problem or the people? By definition you have to be a liar or idiot to get elected as people vote for rainbows and unicorns not restraint.

I would love a no-party system. Many of the current problems are caused by parties imo. Vote for the local representative you think will do the best job for your area. Those representatives go to parliament and elect one of them to be PM/premier. No more voting on party lines, no more one or two morons controlling the fate of the country.
I think how the gov operates is the problem, parties seem like marketing facades nothing more. There is no reason for them to do better then they are, or to not steal from taxpayers for programs that benefit themselves, or friends, corps etc, and we get left with nothing.
I don't know enough, just my gut telling me this and their dirty hands in my pockets.
 
Australian voting system should allow some departure from the left and right tropes but still has fallen in the same wagon ruts - mind you with coalition parties involved.
At least Australian system likely represents a better system than the FPTP in Canada

The thing I don't like is the three year mandates .
Agreed. Ask Justin to follow through on his campaign promise to change FPTP.
 

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