These Conservatives

[crankcall]

Paul Martin , see that’s what happens when a millionaire businessman wants a turn in govt . Whether it’s ego ? Who cares , at least it’s not a career politician that is just looking at payday, fame , and some wacky agenda they think they will be famous for . ( hint, they usually end up famous for it , but not what they expected )


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[timtune]

Paul Martin , see that’s what happens when a millionaire businessman wants a turn in govt . Whether it’s ego ? Who cares , at least it’s not a career politician that is just looking at payday, fame , and some wacky agenda they think they will be famous for . ( hint, they usually end up famous for it , but not what they expected )


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Could have been a good pm (I think) if jean hadn't dicked him around.

 

[ToSlow]

I liked Martin as a PM and finance minister . Seemed to have a balance on most things

 

[Scuba Steve]

I liked Martin as a PM. Seemed to have a balance on most things

Last good p.m. we had actually

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[timtune]

I liked Martin as a PM and finance minister . Seemed to have a balance on most things

Did he become PM? Briefly?? Again if JC wasn't such a jerk....

 

[Baggsy]

Could have been a good pm (I think) if jean hadn't dicked him around.

He was a good pm, but the Trudeau infrastructure got him.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

I liked Martin as a PM and finance minister . Seemed to have a balance on most things

Like how to run your family's steamship company's fleet (ironically called Canada Steamship Lines) out of the Bahamas flying the Bahamian flag and paying little to no taxes in Canada?

 

[ToSlow]

Like how to run your family's steamship company's fleet (ironically called Canada Steamship Lines) out of the Bahamas flying the Bahamian flag and paying little to no taxes in Canada?

AH yes i did know that, But as far as corruption he was one of the least. I think he sold his shipping company to his son or something like that

 

[Mad Mike]

I hate partisan politics, failing that, I hate first-past-the-post. If we had proportional representation (e.g. within each province), you would probably find that Alberta isn't as solid Conservative as recent history would suggest, Quebec isn't as solid Liberal as recent history would suggest, and (with 3+ parties) you would seldom get a majority government - meaning, any winning group would at least have to talk to another group and find agreement. I'm fine with minority governments.

FPTP is a tough one. It does usually favour the stronger parties, but not equally.

Minority governments are not a good solution in my opinion as the ruling regime doesn’t operate on a mandate given to them by the electorate.

One of the fundamentals of democracy is the will of the people. That is fuzzy and rarely gets focus in a coalition.

 

[Mad Mike]

And Paul Martin erased the deficit. Neither negates the fact that harper said one thing and then did the exact opposite. ( as JT has done)

You cannot compare the two. Harper was a statesman, fiscally competent, and relatively scandal free.

He was a bit iron fisted, but that also served the country well through the toughest global recession levels since the Great Depression.

The only one that compares to JT to is his father, and while I would never have thought it possible, his dad was a better PM.

 

[bitzz]

Like how to run your family's steamship company's fleet

Called "Flag of Convenience" and a very normal thing to do... actually i would expect anyone in his position to do the same thing.
Why should he pay Canadian taxes on ships that operate in international waters? When Canada Steamship operates in Canadian waters, they pay Canadian taxes. If a ship flies a Canadian flag , it has to operate under Canadian labor laws... and that just wouldn't work.
Most, like 99% of ocean going ships are registered this way. Cruise ships have to rotate in and out of the Alaska routes so they can avoid being required to be US registered.

 

[MacDoc]

You cannot compare the two. Harper was a statesman, fiscally competent, and relatively scandal free.

Rose coloured glasses anyone. I hardly know where to begin.....
I guess maybe $18 billion on the Afghan war counts as fiscally competent.
Then of course there are the prisons and his giant cabinet....

When Stephen Harper became prime minister in 2006 he touted a "smaller" cabinet "designed for work—not for show". On Monday, he became the first among equals in a cabinet tied for the title of largest in Canadian history.
The demotion of embattled Julian Fantino to associate minister of National Defence and the appointment of Erin O’Toole to minister of Veterans Affairs brings the size of the Harper ministry to 40 strong, matching the size of Brian Mulroney's 1984 cabinet.

Stephen Harper's Cabinet Is Now Tied For Largest In Canadian History

Stephen Harper's Cabinet Is Now Tied For Largest In Canadian History

www.huffpost.com

Here's a few more

Nine stupid things the Harper government spent tax dollars on

A partial list of the Harper government's most ridiculous expenditures on public dime. The superhero survey, the non-split sausage...it's all here.

www.nationalobserver.com

I wonder if he returned his pension cheques ?

As for"statesman" ....trying to negate Canada's much prized role as peacekeeper nation to warmaker was the antithesis of statesmanship...and not in keeping with how Canadians see themselves.

 

[Evoex]

As for"statesman" ....trying to negate Canada's much prized role as peacekeeper nation to warmaker was the antithesis of statesmanship...and not in keeping with how Canadians see themselves.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/stephen-harper-accepts-world-statesman-of-the-year-award-1.1258743

 

[MacDoc]

Kissinger got one as well FWIW

 

[crankcall]

Like how to run your family's steamship company's fleet (ironically called Canada Steamship Lines) out of the Bahamas flying the Bahamian flag and paying little to no taxes in Canada?

Registering a ship in Panama , Bahama , ( used to be Libya, but not now) isn’t about the taxes completely, it’s also about the certification and annual inspections which cost millions on certain vessels. You risk having to limit trade in the Great Lakes because you can’t pick up frieght in an American port and deliver to another American port on a foreign flagged , or even not US built ship, that under is under merchant marine law , also known as the Jones Act. It’s to protect the US ship industry, you can’t go from Miami to porto Rico on a foreign flagged vessel with cargo.
Weirdly many Great Lakes freighters cannot operate in the ocean . They are too long , they are purpose built and the wave lengths in the ocean would break them up . The cruise ship dodging in and out of US waters , like an Alaskan cruise is because the Casino ( on every cruise ship) and the duty free shops on board can only operate in international waters , not licenced in port and that’s where cruise ships make millions .
I know off topic but I’m fascinated with maritime law and weird stuff like when a boat hits a pier , it’s not a collision, it called an allision. Whole other vernacular, and insurance process .

 

[timtune]

He was a bit iron fisted,

Ahh Mike, I can always count on you for some humour.

 

[nobbie48]

Registering a ship in Panama , Bahama , ( used to be Libya, but not now) isn’t about the taxes completely, it’s also about the certification and annual inspections which cost millions on certain vessels. You risk having to limit trade in the Great Lakes because you can’t pick up frieght in an American port and deliver to another American port on a foreign flagged , or even not US built ship, that under is under merchant marine law , also known as the Jones Act. It’s to protect the US ship industry, you can’t go from Miami to porto Rico on a foreign flagged vessel with cargo.
Weirdly many Great Lakes freighters cannot operate in the ocean . They are too long , they are purpose built and the wave lengths in the ocean would break them up . The cruise ship dodging in and out of US waters , like an Alaskan cruise is because the Casino ( on every cruise ship) and the duty free shops on board can only operate in international waters , not licenced in port and that’s where cruise ships make millions .
I know off topic but I’m fascinated with maritime law and weird stuff like when a boat hits a pier , it’s not a collision, it called an allision. Whole other vernacular, and insurance process .

Rules were made to be broken.

This 200-Foot-Long Railway to Nowhere Is Actually a Brilliant Shipping Loophole

The so-called Bayside Canadian Railway is now at the center of a massive court fight.

www.thedrive.com

 

[GreyGhost]

Rules were made to be broken.

This 200-Foot-Long Railway to Nowhere Is Actually a Brilliant Shipping Loophole

The so-called Bayside Canadian Railway is now at the center of a massive court fight.

www.thedrive.com

There used to be a train full of sugar that travelled back and forth across the border. It never got loaded nor unloaded, just back and forth. IIRC, they would throw a few packages of gelatin in the top of each hopper in one direction (still in the package, not loose) so technically sugar was moving in one direction and a jello was moving in the other direction. Something about tariffs or subsidies and a way to generate credits.

 

[MacDoc]

Circling cigarettes too....with full participation by Big Tobacco.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

Registering a ship in Panama , Bahama , ( used to be Libya, but not now) isn’t about the taxes completely, it’s also about the certification and annual inspections which cost millions on certain vessels. You risk having to limit trade in the Great Lakes because you can’t pick up frieght in an American port and deliver to another American port on a foreign flagged , or even not US built ship, that under is under merchant marine law , also known as the Jones Act. It’s to protect the US ship industry, you can’t go from Miami to porto Rico on a foreign flagged vessel with cargo.
Weirdly many Great Lakes freighters cannot operate in the ocean . They are too long , they are purpose built and the wave lengths in the ocean would break them up . The cruise ship dodging in and out of US waters , like an Alaskan cruise is because the Casino ( on every cruise ship) and the duty free shops on board can only operate in international waters , not licenced in port and that’s where cruise ships make millions .
I know off topic but I’m fascinated with maritime law and weird stuff like when a boat hits a pier , it’s not a collision, it called an allision. Whole other vernacular, and insurance process .

I realized it's ''The Way'' long ago. It's just the optics of the Prime Minister of the country manipulating the game along with the other land barons that leaves a sour taste. Altruism is for the gullible.