Reads as people living beyond their means to me.
By definition it has to fail. People are competing for limited resources (housing is the main one). Raise the ability to pay and market prices rise with it. You may succeed in changing the group at the bottom of the pile (eg ODSP may move above a CPP recipient).Reads as people living beyond their means to me.
I am 150% against universal basic incomes.
Hard lines to draw without knowing the factsReads as people living beyond their means to me.
I am 150% against universal basic incomes.
Hard lines to draw without knowing the facts
Joshua Hewitt was in and out of homelessness for about a decade. The Thunder Bay resident said the OBI helped him get into a better apartment and invest more time into his volunteer organization, StandUp4Cleanup, which he launched while in recovery from alcoholism.
"A lot of the barriers just started to fade away because I was able to get out in the community and access resources, and I could go to restaurants that I normally wouldn't go to," said Hewitt.
After the pilot program ended, his three-year plan was tossed out the window. Now a single dad on Ontario Works (OW), Hewitt said having a basic income would have made a huge difference for his family.
Without knowing how many lives he might have touched in his outreach program, It might have been a small price to pay. I've seen addiction firsthand and it ain't prettyDad, investing time and resources into his volunteer organization after coming out of homelessness. I would say one's priorities are not in line.
Not my point, but not the focus of the thread. Agree to disagreeWithout knowing how many lives he might have touched in his outreach program, It might have been a small price to pay. I've seen addiction firsthand and it ain't pretty
While I appreciate what it sounds like he is trying to do, if I can't afford life, my time is focused 100% on that problem. He's trying to live at the top of the pyramid with no base (or alternately, expects taxpayers to build his base while he does what he wants).Without knowing how many lives he might have touched in his outreach program, It might have been a small price to pay. I've seen addiction firsthand and it ain't pretty
Here's some facts.Hard lines to draw without knowing the facts
free money, lol.Here's some facts.
Universal Basic Income in the US and Advanced Countries
Founded in 1920, the NBER is a private, non-profit, non-partisan organization dedicated to conducting economic research and to disseminating research findings among academics, public policy makers, and business professionals.www.nber.org
According to this, U.S. Federal fund transfers would have to DOUBLE to states if you systematically, simultaneously shut down most social services to keep spending in check. This is the most comprehensive UBI study available, but it helps to know that Finland paniced when 20% of the working people in their last trial checked out of work to live strictly on UBI, on top of those who quit and took post-secondary education of some sort. Yet that hasn't stopped UBI proponents from crowing about the "success" of the program... "people were happier and less stress with free money!" they gush. Q'eull surprise, amirite?
With all the crime at political levels run in the billions i would think, Whats another 5 million? Maybe he could lobby the government for some fundsfree money, lol.
$200M? That's just for 4000 people in the trial run for two years. Scale that up to ~1.5M people (~10% of population is low income and Ontario population is ~15M). That puts the numbers at almost $26B/year for Ontario (about 30% of the total amount allocated to health care). Weee. Let that budget balance itself. That's about a 10% spending increase (or worded differently, every person not in the UBI group needs to throw in about $1,500 a year just to fund this program (90% paying for 10% of people getting 15-20K per year). Would you be willing to throw in $1500 a year? I sure wouldn't. Seeing how governments manage low-income programs now, it would be a crapshow of losers, international students in $2M houses with no income and drug dealers with some people with real needs sprinkled in.With all the crime at political levels run in the billions i would think, Whats another 5 million? Maybe he could lobby the government for some funds
Now do the math for welfare? We are already funding millions in a program$200M? That's just for 4000 people in the trial run for two years. Scale that up to ~1.5M people (~10% of population is low income and Ontario population is ~15M). That puts the numbers at almost $26B/year for Ontario (about 30% of the total amount allocated to health care). Weee. Let that budget balance itself. That's about a 10% spending increase (or worded differently, every person not in the UBI group needs to throw in about $1,500 a year just to fund this program (90% paying for 10% of people getting 15-20K per year). Would you be willing to throw in $1500 a year? I sure wouldn't. Seeing how governments manage low-income programs now, it would be a crapshow of losers, international students in $2M houses with no income and drug dealers with some people with real needs sprinkled in.
ODSB+OW is about 600K recipients (bonkers especially the 350K on ODSP, I know a few there that do not deserve support). Together they add up to ~$10B. UBI would more than double that commitment.Now do the math for welfare? We are already funding millions in a program
It's a good program if you are trying to get another 10% of the population to vote for you. I expect JT/JS to float it as a carrot after the next election if we don't vote in the scary Con's that want you to starve to death.Once you look into UBI with a critical lense, it looks increasingly dumb unless you're the one that wants it because you can't or won't work.
Shows another side of the man. Looks like he has a skillset that is useful and in high demandDad, investing time and resources into his volunteer organization after coming out of homelessness. I would say one's priorities are not in line.
3??? kidsShows another side of the man