The Childfree Movement

So true... It's about maintaining a balance between your own identity and your role as a parent.

I also agree that planning to have kids is more about whether or not you find yourself in a context that's ideal to have them - i.e. secure environment, lots of support, strong partnership, maturity, stability. etc. though these are ideals, and a lot of this is beyond your control. If it happens great! If not... enjoy your money in other ways. lol.

Pretty much what my plan is. Just enjoying the ride and if that opportunity shows up then I'll roll with it.
See people rush to get married, then slam out a couple kids... Then they realize they're not that happy.
 
Pretty much what my plan is. Just enjoying the ride and if that opportunity shows up then I'll roll with it.
See people rush to get married, then slam out a couple kids... Then they realize they're not that happy.

I think you should have a kid at some point rmemedic, you seem like you have good values and your head on straight :) Seems like you'd probably raise a real gem.
 
I think you should have a kid at some point rmemedic, you seem like you have good values and your head on straight :) Seems like you'd probably raise a real gem.

Oh O, I think we found out which young guy she wants to hit up on this forum
 
Oh O, I think we found out which young guy she wants to hit up on this forum

I am out of the dating game. I am inundated. So don't worry your pretty little heads about me hitting on you. I just appreciate rmemedic's honesty and genuineness. That is all :)
 
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Have any of you anti children folk wiped your parents azses yet? Have you at least repaid that debt to them before you bought your boat?
 
I see so many parents forget what makes them happy just to do what their kids want.
I'm not saying don't please your kids, but people need to please themselves too, it keeps everyone sane.
My friends with the awesome family basically do what they want and bring the kids, and the kids enjoy it and are pretty well adjusted and mature for their age simply because they are brought up in an "adult" world and not the bubble wrapped kid version.

I'm not saying people can't be happy with a family life, I can understand how it would be a good feeling, but so many people put so much in to their kids lives that they forget to live a bit of it for themselves too... You know those bitchy people you see in public that are angry at everything with 3 kids tagging along? Those are the people that forget to enjoy life for their own enjoyment every so often.

Parts of me want kids, but there is a whole other aspect in dealing with another adult for that long a period of time that is the issue for me. I wouldn't want to have kids in a broken home like I was in, I want that duo team to do it right, but it sure isn't easy finding someone you can trust and rely on 100% for the next 20+ years. That's where my issue with having a family life comes in.

Sounds like your personal experience has skewed your views.
Happy families are not rare......i dont know what the exact percentage is, but I would tend to think there are just as many singles that are unhappy........how many single people do you here about hitting the drugs and blowing their brains out?
 
how many single people do you here about hitting the drugs and blowing their brains out?

Ummmm not that many to be honest.

I do agree that there's likely happy and unhappy people either way.... it's all just about that whole grass is greener... those who don't have kids sometimes wish they did... or wonder... those who do sometimes wonder if they hadn't. Single people wonder what married life would be like... married people wonder what if they stayed single... either way capitalist economies perpetuate an air of discontent no matter what your situation is so that you'll keep spending money to make yourself feel better. Let's all go out and buy motorcycles ....oh wait we already did. :iconbiggrin:
 
As I got in my M3 the other day...

As I drove over to the dock to check up on my 32 foot Donzi that was being detailed and filled with premium...

Later on that day as I was pounding $5 a pop .338 Lapua Magnum rounds down range one after the other like they were going out of style...

Later on that evening as my GF and I were going at it on the couch, stairs, kitchen table, pretty much every room of the house...

Yes, every time we are sitting around at work talking about the exotic countries we visited and the amazing things we have done whilst on vacation I am always secretly jealous of three times divorced guy who came back to Canada and sat in his small appt. watching hockey and drinking cheap beer instead. Such simplicity. Always knowing exactly what is going to happen day after day.

So, don't call me selfish. In reality I want what you have married people. I just never got that far in life and I'm miserable. Crying myself to sleep on my bed made of money. I mean, I have so much of it now, never having to spend it on diapers and grocery sucking food disposal units or putting it away for 4-7 years of paying for 1-3 post secondary educations that won't add any letters to my name....that it's piling up.

Maybe I'll rent a warehouse to keep it all in. Meh, too much effort. I think I'll just pay someone to rent one for me.

:)


Sir, I stand up and aplaude your cynicism. What an eloquent way of giving a slap with a white glove.
 
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So today I'm assisting with vasectomies. Texted my mom "vasectomy day today" her text back was "what?!"
Put up on fb "ugh... Vasectomy day" and people, some I haven't talked to in a long time were commenting on how I could without having kids first... As if that choice of mine would make a difference to them. Not sure why, if I chose to do so, people would be so upset and concerneda about it.

I do kind of get a kick out of pulling a good prank like this, people just jump the gun!
 
So today I'm assisting with vasectomies. Texted my mom "vasectomy day today" her text back was "what?!"
Put up on fb "ugh... Vasectomy day" and people, some I haven't talked to in a long time were commenting on how I could without having kids first... As if that choice of mine would make a difference to them. Not sure why, if I chose to do so, people would be so upset and concerneda about it.

I do kind of get a kick out of pulling a good prank like this, people just jump the gun!

Put up hysterectomy day and see what responses you get.
 
For those people that believe children are some antiquated pension plan from the old world, who do you think were supposed to pay off the Baby Boomer's pensions? And why do you think we are all in a pension crisis now? And who do you think will pay down your pensions?

Children have been and always will be both securers of the future and the past generations. Children propagate the culture you so proudly relish in. They glorify it in history. They enhance it and refine it.

The fewer and fewer children you have the weaker the society becomes, while a culture of greed and selfishness continues, each new generation will feel bitter they cannot share in endulgences, and further cut dependents from their lineage. Some think long term trends are not a threat because a) it doesn't effect you, and b) it can be reversed. The problem with long term effects are macro-momentum....such as American obesity for example, or a culture of war mongering.

Death spirals are called that for a reason, and any society that honours a car (which is by every investers account a terribile depreciating investment) over a child, is in trouble. A controlled strategy like the 1 child policy in China is different however, as the strategy was to share a base line level of resources and prevent civil unrest. It is also a short term strategic decision to foster growth. In the end China will reverse that rule and you will see an explosion of Chinese culture and dominence globally, once they tactically decide they are in a strong enough position to expand beyond their borders.

China for example has the ability to dominate through sheer numbers. A release valve has been emmigration (all be it fiercely loyal) and penetration into every culture and society world wide, from Africa to America.

This may mean nothing to you now, but when you're in your twilight years and friends are dying off, and there is noone of the next generation to visit you or care, and when your beloved society begins to weaken and buckle and that pride begins to wane, how is it that your rusted $2 M3 will comfort you?

Remember this...you final thought, the last thought you have before you die will be the climax of your life. No matter how good you feel now, no matter how amazing you think your life is, the thought you have at the moments before you die will define your life. If your final thought, placing everything into context (including the love for your car and bragging rights over others in your society), if that final thought isnt contentment, then it was all for nothing, and you have no legacy.

Had some of you mentioned investing your money, raising orphans or improving the lives of others, aiding in scientific development, anything that forms a legacy, maybe the no-child offset would be seen as satisfying. But to waive that fundamental and essential element of your humanity for financial status and bragging rights? Really?

There is nothing wrong with being rich, having a luxury car, home, boat, or being fit and having a great love life...but the ultimate honour goes to those that can do that while embodying and prioritizing their humanity! To sacrifice a leg or kidney to buy an iPad is a ridiculous shame, and to sacrifice a child to have a car is equally stupid and exhibits a weak sad desire to appear wealthy when you are actually morally, spiritually, and humanely bankrupt.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...325/Chinese-boy-sells-kidney-to-buy-iPad.html

I'm sure he looked like a real champ at school the next day though!
 
We can outsource (and then import) children just like everything else. Plenty of them worldwide need homes. Multiple problems solved. (Added bonus that our international ranking for math ability increases).
 
...nearly forgot....we can also force all the anti-abortion lot to adopt kids (as they seem so intent on "saving innocent lives") to offset the childless couples and then everyone's happy....added bonus again..we get to shut the anti-choice lobby up as they will be too busy to spout off their hatemongering drivel.
 
...nearly forgot....we can also force all the anti-abortion lot to adopt kids (as they seem so intent on "saving innocent lives") to offset the childless couples and then everyone's happy....added bonus again..we get to shut the anti-choice lobby up as they will be too busy to spout off their hatemongering drivel.

Although I am quite anti-abortion (not absolutely though) myself, I would partly agree with you here. I would also apply this to infertile couples who are obsessed with spending ungodly money to have their genetically unique child! With upwards of $30k as a mere staring point you could literally save the lives of 4 or 5 poor 3rd world kids by directly flying them over, let alone sponsoring!

A baby outsourcing economy is a phenomenal way to culturally dominate the world too! You wouldn't believe how powerful a nation can become by adopting and raising children from all corners of the Earth. The result will be hordes of fiercely loyal, advantaged generations who will ultimately return to their home countries and do the same, creating a generational assembly line of loyal, educated allied nations.

As sad as it is, and as controversial as it is, former US slaves are more loyal to to their "adopted" nation for their elevated status (world wide), than to any African homeland or notion of a "motherland". An adopted child, or even slave soldier (who reaps the spoils of victory) will fight harder and more fiercely than even an entitled biological child / citizen.

Children are the ultimate investments. It is a shame some of you have confused a depreciating hunk of metal as an investment and a child as a write down / loss.
 
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There is nothing wrong with being rich, having a luxury car, home, boat, or being fit and having a great love life...but the ultimate honour goes to those that can do that while embodying and prioritizing their humanity! To sacrifice a leg or kidney to buy an iPad is a ridiculous shame, and to sacrifice a child to have a car is equally stupid and exhibits a weak sad desire to appear wealthy when you are actually morally, spiritually, and humanely bankrupt.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...325/Chinese-boy-sells-kidney-to-buy-iPad.html

I'm sure he looked like a real champ at school the next day though!

I'm middle class, I don't need a luxury car, I don't need a boat, I have my own home, I am fit for health purposes, and my love life keeps me happy. I am not sacrificing a child to have a car, there is no child in the first place. (unless you count the pull-outs as sacrifices...)

Yet, I don't want to have kids either and I still don't understand why is it so wrong to decide not to. <-- This does not exclude me from being a moral, spiritual, human and fulfilled person.

My $0.02
 
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I'm middle class, I don't need a luxury car, I don't need a boat, I have my own home, I am fit for health purposes, and my love life keeps me happy. I am not sacrificing a child to have a car, there is no child in the first place.

Yet, I don't want to have kids either and I still don't understand why is it so wrong to decide not to. <-- This does not exclude me from being a moral, spiritual, human and fulfilled person.

My $0.02

You're just chill and go with the flow....not a movement, not anti-child, not sacrificing procreation for material wealth, and not seeking bragging rights over others on this basis. You're doing fine. You may even change or not...as I say you're not part of a movement.
 
Although I am quite anti-abortion (not absolutely though) myself, I would partly agree with you here. I would also apply this to infertile couples who are obsessed with spending ungodly money to have their genetically unique child! With upwards of $30k as a mere staring point you could literally save the lives of 4 or 5 poor 3rd world kids by directly flying them over, let alone sponsoring!

A baby outsourcing economy is a phenomenal way to culturally dominate the world too! You wouldn't believe how powerful a nation can become by adopting and raising children from all corners of the Earth. The result will be hordes of fiercely loyal, advantaged generations who will ultimately return to their home countries and do the same, creating a generational assembly line of loyal, educated allied nations.

As sad as it is, and as controversial as it is, former US slaves are more loyal to to their "adopted" nation for their elevated status (world wide), than to any African homeland or notion of a "motherland". An adopted child, or even slave soldier (who reaps the spoils of victory) will fight harder and more fiercely than even an entitled biological child / citizen.

Children are the ultimate investments. It is a shame some of you have confused a depreciating hunk of metal as an investment and a child as a write down / loss.

Christian/Catholics are more than willing to take orphans into their home, however the secular government doesn't feels the same way. My sister (Catholic) started this process 6 months ago and there is no end in sight to the government red tape before she, her husband and their biological daughter are even qualified as a foster family. She's a stay at home mum and he's a BC Ferries worker...I might be bias but it sounds like a decent family to me.
 
You're just chill and go with the flow....not a movement, not anti-child, not sacrificing procreation for material wealth, and not seeking bragging rights over others on this basis. You're doing fine. You may even change or not...as I say you're not part of a movement.

That, I agree with.
 
So today I'm assisting with vasectomies. Texted my mom "vasectomy day today" her text back was "what?!"
Put up on fb "ugh... Vasectomy day" and people, some I haven't talked to in a long time were commenting on how I could without having kids first... As if that choice of mine would make a difference to them. Not sure why, if I chose to do so, people would be so upset and concerneda about it.

I do kind of get a kick out of pulling a good prank like this, people just jump the gun!

Just start deleting all the people that respond with negative comments. Instant fb cleanup :D
 
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