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feel free to point out how this person would have been deterred or was somehow not deterred by a judicial decision.

If he was out on bail for a weapons charge at the time, a minimum sentence/no bail law would have effectively had the result of the suspect not being at the scene to begin with.

The consequence of his action is a life sentence, how the hell does a mandatory minimum change the deterrance factor? it doesn't, and guess what, a large majority of the bar, Crown and Defence, as well as the Bench, agree with this view.

Of course the DEFENCE is going to agree. Duh.

The fact that a judge found that the mandatory minimum is excessive in another case where YOU DON'T KNOW THE FACTs does nothing for your argument.

Start by firing that judge. I said START by. We have an Attorney General. Start at the top and wipe the place clean of the Hug-a-Thug Liberal idealists that infest the present system.
 
when i grew up in scarboro,, these dudes were big MEN that come and tell us they are gona kick our *** .
Well said ( i think i said something similar to that earlier)

I grew up in Oshawa and it was the same way.
- You do something wrong
- you get an ***** whoopin
- you go home (parental ***** whoopin)
- you don't do it again (do to fear).

No criminal record to impede your job/career prospects. No judiciary handcuffs. No taxpayers footing the bill for lawyers, court imposed programs and court fees. Common sense invoked.
 
@ Cbcanada,

I am a Police Officer and I stand 5’7 and weight in the area of 160-170lbs and I am positive with the training I have, that I am able to take down a guy at 6, feet..again, I know this from experience and before you say, “oh I had a male officer help me out” I didn’t. As a female officer, we have to hold our own, for exactly the ignorant comment you made about size . I am also a visible minority, as I am half white and half black. Granted there are some smaller female officers out there but we all had to do a fit test plus hard training, that would make must of you pass out. I am also, sorry to break it to you but I am well educated from McMaster University and hold a degree in Sociology and a minor in Psychology; I am also currently going for my Masters degree, so no I did not get hired because of the color of my skin. Most of the men I work with are very well built and would intimidate most people and trust me, intimidation is not in the way you look (the bigger you are the harder you fall), it is in how you can make people perceive you. I just got back from Chicago this weekend and I was disgusted on the size of the officers there, because they all were HUGE! They couldn’t ride in Crown Vic, they all had SUV’s lol I was shocked! What area in Toronto do you visit on a regular basis where these tiny cops work? I am interested in knowing.. As for your other argument you made in the “problem starts from”, I would have to agree with you on some points but again the argument is how do we, as a people tell the government we do not like what our country is becoming? I can at least say I try everyday to make this world a better place, weather half the cop haters out here agree or not. I don’t just sit on a computer and spit out ignorant racial comments about rap and gangters and talk the big talk. I am a person of my word and most cops out there and for clearly a thankless job. I get drug dealers off the street, I chase after guys with guns and I get dealers off the corners. So tell me this, how have you help our country fight back against the issues you mentioned?
 
@ Jen RC_51, whats your opinion on reintroducing beat cops, if not all over T.O., but at the very least in high activity neighbourhoods?
 
@ Jen RC_51, whats your opinion on reintroducing beat cops, if not all over T.O., but at the very least in high activity neighbourhoods?

I think that the city/province would have to pump alot more money into either TAVIS or TPS for the beat cop thing to work. There are barely enough cops on the road to deal with the day-to-day let alone high visability projects.

It's still a great idea. I think diverting some of the money from some of the useless community programs (not all are useless) and putting it into Community Units or TAVIS is a more effective use of the money. But those unit have to be there every day and actually know the people in those communities.
 
I can only speak for my division but I think that is a great idea and we do have visible police presence in certain communities but as I said before, we cannot be everywhere at every time. It is a cat and mouse game with these guys and the police can only do so much. The communities in which there is high crime, they need to work with the police and start giving names but most of the people are just scared. I don’t judge anyone, so I get why people do not want to talk to the police. I don’t have to live there, they do. I keep saying the same things, the judicial system needs to change. Harder punishments for all criminal, not just gun crimes and more trained people on the boarders and less corrupt government.
 
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People have to take back their neighbourhood
 
I think that the city/province would have to pump alot more money into either TAVIS or TPS for the beat cop thing to work. There are barely enough cops on the road to deal with the day-to-day let alone high visability projects.

It's still a great idea. I think diverting some of the money from some of the useless community programs (not all are useless) and putting it into Community Units or TAVIS is a more effective use of the money. But those unit have to be there every day and actually know the people in those communities.

Is the SRO (school resource officer) program still in affect? Maybe divert some of these officers into the high activity neighbourhoods nearby, being in these high schools they must get to know alot of the neighbourhood kids pretty well or at least their faces, and backfill their school positions with new officers so they can get to know the kids, and on and on.
 
I don’t judge anyone, so I get why people do not want to talk to the police.

Funny that the very thing that could help the people in these neighbourhoods is the same thing the people living there won't provide. If people are afraid they can call crimestoppers and potentially be financially rewarded for their assistance.
 
feel free to point out how this person would have been deterred or was somehow not deterred by a judicial decision. The consequence of his action is a life sentence, how the hell does a mandatory minimum change the deterrance factor? it doesn't, and guess what, a large majority of the bar, Crown and Defence, as well as the Bench, agree with this view.

The fact that a judge found that the mandatory minimum is excessive in another case where YOU DON'T KNOW THE FACTs does nothing for your argument. Unless that person became a gangster, you have no point.

I don't need to know the individual facts - the law was clear - be caught in possession of a loaded gun, and face the consequences of doing so. There is no if's, and's, or but's.

The issue is that this judge somehow felt this person "deserved another chance", when by design the 3 year minimum was a summary offense - get caught with a loaded weapon, it's a summary offense. No argument, no liberal hug-a-thug wiggle-room behind it. I don't need to know the facts, to know that handing out a 'get out of jail free' card isn't the correct ruling to make, on the part of the Judge, in ruling it unconstitutional. Nowhere in the Charter of Freedoms and Rights does it state that there is a freedom to bear arms, nor is there a clause that states that "Thou shalt be entitled to a get out of jail free card on first offense", therefore there is no wiggle-room for the defendant to state that his punishment is cruel and unusual. Don't do something that is explicitly illegal, with explicit consequences, and you don't face the explicit punishment.

Cruel and Unusual punishment being a 3 year sentence for possessing a loaded hand-gun, when the consequences of doing so is well known? Give me a break. By extension, you might as well say that being a first time offender and losing your drivers license for a year after driving drunk and being caught, is cruel and unusual punishment to his right to earn a living if he or she can't drive anymore to get to work. Might as well just hand the driver his keys back, and buy him the first round for his troubles, eh? After all, what are the chances that he's going to drive drunk again?

The consequences of breaking a law is meant to not only be a punishment to the offender, but also a deterrent to others. If there is no consequence, or there is a reasonable chance of being thug-hugged as in this case, then the law of the land is toothless.

As i said earlier - it's the Judicial system that is flawed in this province. It's high time to clean house, and remove these tainted judges who coddle these offenders (first time in front of the Courts, or not) in cases like these, at the expense of the law-abiding general public.

I don't know what the heck you mean by "The consequences of his action is a life sentence" .. so i'll not comment on that beyond saying that if you mean that by being simply convicted (with no mandatory minimum) that the offender is now marked for life by the conviction, is punishment enough, is just liberalistic poppy-cock. It's the offenders choice to carry an illegal, unlicenced, loaded firearm - not society's choice.

You might as well have blamed the fact that we don't pray in schools anymore and god could nip gansterism in the bud when they are 4.

I prayed in school (Lord's Prayer) and also sung the National Anthem every morning (In public school, GASP!), and to my knowledge none of my classmates blasted a cap in anyone's ***, or ended up in Warkworth Pen over the years since. There is something to be said in part about the declining morals in Canadian society over the years, since these morning rituals were removed in the interests of multiculturalism and Political Correctness. I'm certainly not religious, but these morning rituals did instill a sense of moral right and wrong, as well as community pride at a young age. Thanks for bringing that up!

I'd certainly be interested to know your stance on this morning's news, that the Ontario Attorney General has renewed calls to ban ALL hand-guns in Ontario..
 
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All hand guns are already illegal if not in possession of an FAC. This will only serve to further screw law abiding gun owners. When was the last time a criminal did a drive by with a registered handgun? Or a criminal sitting a home, counting his coke money look up and say, dammit! I missed the deadline to get my nine certified. Has anyne done any comparisons regarding people being shot by illegal handguns to being shot by guns stolen from legal registered owners?
 
JW - I'm sure stolen registered guns have been used in crimes, but that use is insignificant compared to imported and illegal guns.

off topic - did you grow up in the Jane and Trethewey area, and is that your "porn" name
 
i am all for beat cops too... if anything they make the citizens "feel" safe

but the problem with that is (not sure what age bracket you are in) the cops these days just dont look like the cops of old... i am downtown daily looking at these new cops and without any exageration the cops are gettin smaller and smaller. i see cops that are literally 5'2 130 pounds. they are being hired based only on gender and ethnicity...

i am 100% for a multicultural police force and agree that we need one but cant we hire some average size minorities? if none are applying then wait for some to apply dont just conform and give in and hire anyone..

Pick a fight with one of those cops and let me know how it works out for you.
 
Never fear, Toronto residents. Mayor Ford has the solution: All gangbangers, stay out of Toronto!

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-gun-criminals-out-of-toronto/article4426741/

"I’m going to hopefully meet with the Prime Minister to see if we can toughen our gun laws," Mayor Rob Ford told radio station AM40 Wednesday night. "Once they’re charged and they go to jail the most important thing is when they get out of jail, I don’t want them living in this city. They can go anywhere else, but I don’t want them in the city.”

Asked how he planned to force gangsters out of Toronto, Mr. Ford said: “I don’t know and that’s what I’m going to sit down with the prime minister and find out: how our immigration laws work. Obviously I have an idea. But whatever I can do to get them out of the city I’m going to, regardless of whether they have family or friends, I don’t want these people, if they’re convicted of a gun crime, to have anything to do with the City of Toronto.”
 
The Mayor is insinuating that the criminals committing these crimes are not Canadian citizen. Or in other words, get all the blackys out of Canada! HA!
 
Right on Bandit Bill.
 
What he is trying to say without saying it is to deport people out of the country hence meeting with the PM to line up some ducks.

I remember some comment he made while campaigning where he said that he didn't think Toronto should take in any more immigrants (paraphrasing).

Immigration and deportation aside, I don't know how the Mayor thinks that a municipality can effectively control who passes through its borders or takes up residence. But then again, one shouldn't put much faith or thought into what Rob Ford says, because clearly he doesn't think it through either.....
 
I remember some comment he made while campaigning where he said that he didn't think Toronto should take in any more immigrants (paraphrasing).

Immigration and deportation aside, I don't know how the Mayor thinks that a municipality can effectively control who passes through its borders or takes up residence. But then again, one shouldn't put much faith or thought into what Rob Ford says, because clearly he doesn't think it through either.....

uhm they said the same about Hitler and look how that turned out.
I am in no way shape or form comparing the two people.
I am just saying the man is the Mayor. All he needs is some special caveat granted by the PM to get rid of people.
They can start making changes. The PM does not want Canada having this bad image either as it does reflect on him too.
They will come out with a plan, we just will not know of the details or see it in action.

I have zero issues if you are here and you commit crimes then out you go. PERIOD.
Now once you are a Citizen then it's different.

The laws do need to change and maybe this is the catalyst.
Let's be real, is this a one off event...no
Will this happen again...yes
Will it just get worse...yes

The PM will not allow the gun ban in Ontario.
The NRA has it's ties to Canada.
 

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