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Road Rage on the 401, May 21, 2014

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How do you have trouble understanding? If I'm bombing down the highway at 200 kms and someone way ahead pulls out into my lane doing 120 kms I can guarantee I'm gonna close the the gap in a hurry and look at at that.... I'm on their ***.
 
slbert said:
I don't get how you think I came here crying for sympathy..... I could care less about the mirror, whatever. I came on this site to do my rant and hopefully the sport biking community will know this guy and ask him to chill in his style of riding. I know in the future I will be more considerate of the bikers in my commuting. Yes I get you feel I acted like I was entitled to whatever, but I pulled out to do a legitimate pass, did not cut anyone off and next thing I know there is a biker 5 feet off my bumper. He started the argument, I escalated it and he "won" it.I might, in your opinion, give TDI drivers a bad name, but he sure hasn't helped the sport bike community with his "entitlement".I now humbly bow out of this conversation.
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Cmon guys, this guy apologized for his actions, doesn't wish death upon the rider, and acknowledges (in an earlier post) that he shouldn't have slowed down to **** with the rider. What more do you want? I'm sure we've encountered drivers 10x worse on a daily basis riding your bike...
 
PLau said:
Cmon guys, this guy apologized for his actions, doesn't wish death upon the rider, and acknowledges (in an earlier post) that he shouldn't have slowed down to **** with the rider. What more do you want? I'm sure we've encountered drivers 10x worse on a daily basis riding your bike...
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You're making good points. By the way, OP, the roads would be a lot safer if we all....
1) Focused on the task of operating our motor vehicles
2) Signaled our turns/lane changes
3) Obeyed the basic rules of lane courtesy (rarely enforced law here)

That applies to everyone not just cagers, riders, little green men, whoever :cool:
 
Firestart is SOOOO correct.
On the way home from Shannoville today I can't believe the number of asshats we saw today. Everything from driving 90 in the middle lane (401, no traffic) to being cut off at 120 km/h (pulling a trailer with 2 bikes) by somebody who absolutely had to jam their way past (swerving far right, to cut me off in middle lane whilst I was carrying a higher speed than the right lane, then swerving far left) etc etc.

People are dumbasses on the road. More intent on their cell phone than their surroundings and what might actually work to alleviate their "rush" factor.

Simply put, we need more "awareness" training here like they have in Europe. Our instructional system of 8-10'ish hours behind a wheel is a joke.
 
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Princess's Man said:
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Princess's Man sorry to hear about your mirror, but you were in the passing lane and SLOWLY passing a truck. Whenever Princess's Man is in the passing lane and sees someone approaching from behind, Princess's Man will SPEED UP and try to pass as quickly as possible.
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So you let other drivers push you around?
 
fastar1 said:
So you let other drivers push you around?
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It's good courtesy that if one is travelling in the left lane (e.g. overtaking) and someone else comes up from behind, to get the heck out of the way (i.e. speed up then move right to let them pass - complete the overtaking move as quickly as reasonably practical) as opposed to slow down (and tick off the driver following).

I don't regard this as being "pushed around" ... merely facilitating traffic flow.
 
jc100 said:
So it's "courteous" to move over for every faster vehicle? What if they come bearing down at 200kmh and I am already passing a vehicle, should I be "courteous" and try to pass at 210 so that the faster vehicle can carry on their way? Or should I expect the other vehicle to be "courteous" and realise that I don't want to go that speed just because they do? I'm hoping the other vehicle will be "courteous" and wait for me to complete my pass as long as I'm not being as slow as molasses. Might is not right on the road sadly. Reasonable behaviour is.
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1. Yes, it is "courteous" for you to move over for a faster vehicle, that is exactly what the passing lane is meant to be used for.
2. Why are you still trying to make a pass on a vehicle if you notice someone is traveling at a higher rate of speed than you? If you do not feel comfortable reaching up to those speed, would you not agree it'll be safer if you let the vehicle behind you pass both cars before you changed lanes?
3. OP already admitted turning the cruise control off and slowly passing the truck as soon as he noticed the motorcyclist behind him. He said he was traveling at 120km while on cruise control, as he turned it off. I`m sure the car decelerated to at least 110km. Explains why OP felt like the rider was tailgating him. He could of sped up instead and might have avoided this situation altogether(we will never know.)

I never once mentioned being aggressive on the road is the right thing to do. I said it would be courteous for drivers to let other faster vehicle pass them or if they are in the middle of passing a vehicle to speed up abit then move over if there`s someone who appears to be traveling faster. That`s what courtesy is about. Not slowing down and intentionally aggravating the person behind them. Which is what probably triggered this whole event to begin with.
 
Brian P said:
It's good courtesy that if one is travelling in the left lane (e.g. overtaking) and someone else comes up from behind, to get the heck out of the way (i.e. speed up then move right to let them pass - complete the overtaking move as quickly as reasonably practical) as opposed to slow down (and tick off the driver following).

I don't regard this as being "pushed around" ... merely facilitating traffic flow.
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People drive as fast as they're comfortable with with respect to car control, awareness of their surroundings, fuel savings and concern for the law. If they speed up then when someone's waiting to pass then they're either out of their comfort zone or they weren't paying attention to begin with.
On top of that, to benefit someone who races up to your bumper you'd have to nail the gas pretty hard and / or early. Otherwise the guy still has to slow down.
If I have a speed differential of at least 5km/h while passing then I have no qualms about holding my speed; I'm using the road as intended. Otherwise I'll speed up by at least that much to get around the guy but that's because of the discomfort I have knowing I'm effectively blocking a lane by passing too slowly.
In the case of this driver, he was using the road responsibly when the biker came along acting like he owned the road. The driver responded in kind. At no point was physical violence or vandalism an appropriate response to the harm done to the rider. He simply refused to take his lesson like a grown up and threw a tantrum instead.
This is all based on taking the OPs story at face value. As Jay said, there are always 3 sides to a story.
 
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fastar1 said:
People drive as fast as they're comfortable with with respect to car control, awareness of their surroundings, fuel savings and concern for the law. If they speed up then when someone's waiting to pass then they're either out of their comfort zone or they weren't paying attention to begin with.
On top of that, to benefit someone who races up to your bumper you'd have to nail the gas pretty hard and / or early. Otherwise the guy still has to slow down.
If I have a speed differential of at least 5km/h while passing then I have no qualms about holding my speed; I'm using the road as intended. Otherwise I'll speed up by at least that much to get around the guy but that's because of the discomfort I have knowing I'm effectively blocking a lane by passing too slowly.
In the case of this driver, he was using the road responsibly when the biker came along acting like he owned the road. The driver responded in kind. At no point was physical violence or vandalism an appropriate response to the harm done to the rider. He simply refused to take his lesson like a grown up and threw a tantrum instead.
This is all based on taking the OPs story at face value. As Jay said, there are always 3 sides to a story.
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This about sums it up nicely.
 
Here's a simple fact for all of the people who are taking shots at the car driver to keep in mind. It's very difficult for even a trained observer to estimate the closing speed of a single track vehicle and no one expects you to be doing 160+ Kmh on public roads. This makes it highly unlikely that the average road user will be able to anticipate what you're doing, or where you'll be in a couple of seconds.
 
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Well now that just makes sense. I'm not sure most will understand. Perhaps you could type that slower? Honestly some people just make you shake your head. That glance in the rear view will tell you some douchewaffle is doing 190+ while you're in the gast lane already over the 100kmh limit. Both escalated in this situation for sure and both are partly wrong but if Rossi kept it to the track or at least not busy roads it probably wouldn't have happened. :rolleyes:
 
kiwi said:
EDIT: Retracting the above after the OP admits he slowed down and took 1 km to overtake the truck thus encouraging the road rage. Hes just as much the cause of problem as the person he complains about. Typical Ontario Driver *******.
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1km is 30 seconds, you know? Would have been faster if the biker hadn't been a dick. And like meme said;

meme said:
Plus I'm on a SS - I'm sure there is another way around if I need to be in that much of a hurry.
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The reality is the rider was just looking for an excuse to rage that didn't cost him anything.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
Here's a simple fact for all of the people who are taking shots at the car driver to keep in mind. It's very difficult for even a trained observer to estimate the closing speed of a single track vehicle and no one expects you to be doing 160+ Kmh on public roads. This makes it highly unlikely that the average road user will be able to anticipate what you're doing, or where you'll be in a couple of seconds.
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That being true, why is it though that the same people have simply no fear of hanging in the fast left lane, much longer than they ever should. I'll tell you why, because it's not taught here, nor enforced. 120 vs 160, or 100 vs 140 .... we can run all the scenarios we want and debate how difficult it is to judge the approaching speed.

The one fact never fails .... you are much safer to pass and get out of there as soon as you can. It makes everyone safer this way, including you , the guy ahead and behind you. Why is this simple fact not understood by drivers in Ontario??? It really baffles one's mind ....
 
mxs said:
That being true, why is it though that the same people have simply no fear of hanging in the fast left lane, much longer than they ever should. I'll tell you why, because it's not taught here, nor enforced. 120 vs 160, or 100 vs 140 .... we can run all the scenarios we want and debate how difficult it is to judge the approaching speed.

The one fact never fails .... you are much safer to pass and get out of there as soon as you can. It makes everyone safer this way, including you , the guy ahead and behind you. Why is this simple fact not understood by drivers in Ontario??? It really baffles one's mind ....
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I agree that there are people who camp out in the fast lane but just who is to decide what is "too long" to take, when completing a pass? Thirty seconds doesn't sound like an outrageous amount of time given that the sort of behavior that was once recommended will now see your car impounded for a week, with a license suspension for good measure. Take a look at the video I posted, back in post #81. Did I take too long to pass two vehicles, that were spaced about as far apart as a semi? The total video is 27 seconds long. When I shoulder checked to move back over, without cutting off the car that I had just passed, I found a truck's bumper maybe 6 inches from my foot and in my own lane. It's not a whole lot different than the posted scenario, minus the 'lesson teaching' aspect.
 
So if I blocked someone's way coz he was riding/driving like over 150 km/h and I wasn't fast enough to move away, I deserved to lose my side mirror? Wow you guys are really taking this type of mentality to another level.
OP is a guy with class, and up to this point, he keeps his cool but then he kept getting attacked by your stupid mentality, and he already said that he was passing the truck... is there really a time limit that he has to pass that truck in like 5 seconds or else he deserved to have the side mirror smashed, or you guys watch too many movies?

I even see some posters wishing OP having a painful death? What are you, 12 years old? With that kind of immaturity, you shouldn't even be on the road at all, not even as a pedestrian. If you are just saying that as a joke, sorry you failed, coz joke should be funny, and this is not funny at all.
 
Marbleboy said:
I even see some posters wishing OP having a painful death? What are you, 12 years old? With that kind of immaturity, you shouldn't even be on the road at all, not even as a pedestrian. If you are just saying that as a joke, sorry you failed, coz joke should be funny, and this is not funny at all.
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Amen

slbert said:
Hey Bikers,
Off the top, I do not own a bike, but at times think it would be a great way of cruising. Most bikers, as with car drivers, most are law abiding good drivers, but there are those who wreck it for the rest of you.
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I bet you're not so sure about that any more, right?
 
I82l8 said:
There is the issue. The general misconception that the left lane is 'the fast lane', it is not, it is 'the passing lane'.
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There are a number of ways to refer to that lane, that are in general parlance. If I referred to it as the "number one lane" no one would have a clue what I was talking about, despite it being the term generally used in collision reporting. Clearly you did know what I was talking about, as you referenced it by another of the terms in general usage.
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