Not that I was a huge fan or that I'm following this religiously, but I just wanted to point out that it appears as though alcohol might have been her ultimate problem. Same problem and same results, of course.
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RIP Amy Winehouse
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Not that I was a huge fan or that I'm following this religiously, but I just wanted to point out that it appears as though alcohol might have been her ultimate problem. Same problem and same results, of course.
People have been watching her suicide for years, it was just happening in slow motion. Now it's complete, and the show's over, so I guess some people are sad about that.
If you felt anything for her and wanted to help her, you would have stopped giving her the attention, fame, and money that was feeding her addiction all these years. You want to help an addict? Don't feed their addiction.
I'm sure all the folks that found her so entertaining can now go and watch Charlie Sheen until his corpse is discovered in a hotel room.
Anyone who says they're surprised that Amy Winehouse ended up this way, is either an idiot or a liar. And if you knew it would end this way, and kept on watching anyway, I think it says a lot more about you than it does about her.
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If you felt anything for her and wanted to help her, you would have stopped giving her the attention, fame, and money that was feeding her addiction all these years. You want to help an addict? Don't feed their addiction.
I'm sure all the folks that found her so entertaining can now go and watch Charlie Sheen until his corpse is discovered in a hotel room.
Anyone who says they're surprised that Amy Winehouse ended up this way, is either an idiot or a liar. And if you knew it would end this way, and kept on watching anyway, I think it says a lot more about you than it does about her.
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haha yes, I know it's a figure of speech.
although a battle of the demons.... now that might be a cool movie.
I only bring it up because I know a guy who used to be a good friend of mine. He acts like a jerk and destroys a lot of people. Many people say "he has demons", as if somehow that's a thing. I say, he doesn't have demons, he's just an *******.
So in the same vein, Amy Winehouse didn't have demons, she was just a drug addict.
You can't be serious. Genetic predispositions (addictive personalities, being more prone to depression, synapses & brain compositions that make drug effects stronger on some people, etc. are not things we choose to have. Choices need to be actually be available to us before we can make 'em (read: if we wanted to do otherwise, we just as well could). I highly doubt that each and every person is just as equally free as you make out to be.
Personally, I don't give a **** that she died. Waste of a good voice, if anything. But I'm also not saying she brought it upon herself because I don't actually know that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_hypothesis
On a side-note: we always condemn people for taking drugs or doing some ****, but I wonder how well any of us would do if we were to become famous at the price of privacy. Then we ***** about how actors are overpaid - I'm actually starting to think that being insanely rich still isn't worth the cost of sanity and the loss of privacy. Maybe how much they get paid isn't as unjustified as we thought. For a lot of people, drugs are an escape - and celebrities have a lot to escape from...
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I have a genetic predisposition to sunburns. I wear sunscreen and stay out of the sun. I have a genetic predisposition to high blood pressure and stroke. I see a doctor regularly and monitor myself. I have a genetic predisposition to being overweight. I exercise regularly and try to be careful about what I eat. I have a genetic predisposition to a certain kind of blood condition. My doctor knows, and I get tested every year.
I know people who have a genetic predisposition to alcoholism. Guess what they're careful about?
We don't choose what we're born with. But we choose what we do with it.
No disrespect, but I don't buy into this at all. While genetics, etc may be responsible for certain things, ultimately we're all responsible for our choices...or lack thereof. If you are ignorant of a choice or refuse to make a particular choice, that's still your burden to carry.
How dare you introduce rational thought and logic into this discussion. HOW DARE YOU!!
Thank you for bringing rationality, objectivity and logic to this particular argument. You've said it far better than i could.
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That's true...but our choices are limited to a certain degree. A kid that's born retarded can work on it, but they'll probably never be smart enough to land a great job like the average person can. "We play the cards that we're dealt", but that doesn't mean they were good cards to begin with.
I don't agree with alcoholism being a disease...but I can accept some types of depression qualifying for a disease and alcohol/drugs being used as the wrong coping mechanisms. What if you have a genetic predisposition to depression? You don't just choose not to be depressed. Some people can solve them mentally, but others actually NEED the anti-depressants.
You know all of the things that you have a pre-disposition to and you know how to prepare for them. But for the sake of argument, let's say she started drinking when she was younger. Or even when she didn't know (there isn't exactly a test to determine alcoholism unless you drink alcohol). But for a lot of people, that first drink/toke/hit/etc. is all it takes to spiral out of control. Would you have a little more sympathy if you found out she started drinking at an early age when she wasn't as mentally developed as you were when you chose to prepare for your predispositions? People tend to develop addictions when they're younger (and they get more addicted over time). A dad who starts taking coke and tends to have more to live for (a family, a loving wife, etc.) than a young adult in a broken relationship.
I remember the last thread about some celebrity dying a year ago. And someone said that everyone has their own demons to fight; but it's a lot harder for some than it is for others. And I think that stems to insecurities, addictions, diseases, etc. I just think that there's seriously something troubling about saying that someone deserved something when you don't even know them. It's not about excusing them, it's about people reserving their judgment and them saying someone "didn't deserve to live, anyway".
See, and that's exactly my point: the people against her are the ones who probably could kick the addiction. But not everyone's like you guys. When I was younger, I wanted to take up smoking just to see if I'd be strong enough to quit just 'cause of all the people saying that they couldn't quit. I'd still try it if I didn't care about my lungs...I'm almost certain I would be able to quit. But I can't expect everyone else to be just as able as I would probably be.
I stopped reading at this line.
What the **** were you thinking exactly when you wrote that sentence?
Sorry, I wasn't trying to offend anyone with that. But to explain what I was thinking: kids with mental conditions like down syndrome have an average IQ of 25-60. With maximum stimulation/support, they can get the the averages up around 50-70. But let's be honest, a lot of opportunities aren't available to them that are available to other people. And while that isn't fair, that's just how it is. The extent to work with what we have isn't the same for everyone.
Game, set and match.
There are plenty of addicts...who don't INDULGE in their addiction. Someone who is an addict is an addict for life...but they choose wether they indulge in the addiction or show self restraint. Self restraint for addicts is extremely difficult and thats why they need resources and opportunity for them to exercise that self restraint. But the will to suppress that addiction is what is in question, she undoubtedly had every possible resources and opportunity.
And there's plenty of people who indulge in their positive addictions. Runners, cyclists, people who work out daily............
They all chose to chase their endorphin highs, just like the drug addicts chose to continue with chasing their dragons.
And of all the possible words in the English language, you used knowledge as your handle on here? Uh, ok. Carry on.
Calling running or working out an addiction is a little bit inaccurate as most people are addicted to the competition or the strife rather than the endorphin rush. I used to spend about 4 hours of my day exercises in some way as a varsity athlete and yes I was addicted, but really only addicted to the results and physical accomplishments and satisfaction I got from it.
When you start to miss a few work outs you can feel the laziness set in pretty quick. Go a whole month without working out and even the most dedicated athletes I knew hate the period of getting back into it. So in that sense your analogy does not work. People don't go a month without a needle of heroine and say well **** I'd love to shoot up again but I am just not in the mood.
I didn't call running or working out an addiction. I said some people are addicted to the endorphins those exercises produce. Big difference. Just like some people are addicted to the romance/lifestyle of drug/alcohol abuse.
Was the the ad hominem/insult really necessary? C'mon, man... :confused1:
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