RIP Amy Winehouse

[oilycreek]

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A couple points about rehab and addicts
An addict can rob a bank, be charged and convicted, but unless they can prove the robbery is directly related to their addiction, the judge cannot order them in to rehab, even if the judge knows the person is an addict. If said person is put on probation and skips probation because they are addicts and don't care, they still can't be ordered in to rehab. It takes the average person approx 6 months to get in to a rehab facility, no matter how bad the addiction is. Some can get in in 3 months, if they have a connection. 3 months is an eternity for an addict to wait, let a lone 6 months. Our rehab systems sucks, and it's primarily because of the stigma given to addicts. Celebrity rehab is a joke, they get pampered, and treated like gold. Unless they go to a real rehab centre, their chances of success are minimal at best, that's why so many go to rehab and fail.Most addicts have taken that path because of some form of abuse in their life, and it's the only thing that takes away the demons.

 

[oilycreek]

Randomly displace much?

When did Amy Winehouse resort to violence to get her fix?

Where did I say she resorted to violence, I was linking threads with similarities, hmm is that fractionable also?

 

[SlowNLow]

It's obvious you know nothing about addiction. How about doing some research before posting your garbage. How about going to a rehab centre, and talking to addicts for a while, look at what they go through when rehabbing. To an addict they don't have a problem so they don't need rehab. Here's a true story for you. Not exactly the same as this discussion but still in the ball park. One of my co workers a few yrs back was working on a project for a utility company at Broadview and Gerrard, and every morning this guy would ask him for money for a coffee and a smoke, John gave him a smoke and some change for a coffee;knowing full well what the money was for, this went on for a few weeks, then one day John didn't have time to stop for smokes, and when the guy asked him, John told him, sorry buddy but I don't have any right now, but stiil gave him some change, the guy pulls out his pack, and hands John a smoke, then wishes him a good day. Sounds like an idiot to me eh. I don't know if you are that oblivious to the real world, or you just try to sound cool on the internet, I believe it's the second one. By your thinking we shouldn't have any sympathy for a rider that crashes and dies, since we all know the risk is there, yet we choose to still ride. How many of the new riders come on here and say their parents are against it, some even hide it from them by keeping their bike at a friends place, are they idiots to? do they deserve to die? and would you have sympathy for them if they did?

Look at what they go through? Lol... They CHOSE that the first time they CHOSE to do drugs. No one is born an addict per se, they may be predisposed due to some neuroanatomical differences... There are plenty of people born with these same predispositions who never get addicted to drugs or alcohol... Am I to assume here that you felt sympathy for Paul Bernardo, Ted Bundy, Charles Manson because they were born with "diagnosable" mental disorders, clearly recognized in the DSM?
Uhhhh, so the bum gave the guy a smoke.... What's your point?
And you are seriously going to compare riding a bike to an addict? That's the most asinine thing I've ever heard... That comparison bespeaks of fanatical logic.
Most addicts don't change cause they don't want to not because thee resources aren't there...
This dumb ***** had money, celebrity, and some power...alllllll the things that would get her into treatment in an instant.
If the rider was riding like an idiot then as far as I'm concerned, one less idiot on the road.. and now, one less idiot, spoiled junky.....

 

[stormcat]

Where did I say she resorted to violence, I was linking threads with similarities, hmm is that fractionable also?

I cannot see how these are linked. One topic is about a drug addict breaking into people's homes to steal things. Another is about a talented entertainer who lost her life to drug addiction. Quite disconnected.

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I think it's pretty hard to comment on why there is such widespread alcohol and drug use in the entertainment industry if one isn't in it. I cannot imagine that being in the limelight all the time is pleasant. You have zero privacy. Drugs and/or alcohol are not just a part of the culture, but also blot out the stresses of having no private life, and having incredible expectations placed on you. After all, when you're famous, you're accountable to more than just your boss. You're accountable to the entire public.

In an interview I read with Amy Winehouse, she wasn't expecting to be catapulted to fame, but rather, she was a modest person who just enjoyed singing. Drugs and alcohol were clearly her coping mechanisms. This happens when people don't have the learned tools to cope with stresses in a healthy manner. Moreover, rehabilitation rarely addresses the core issues that cause a person to engage in self destructive behaviours in any meaningful way. This is why there is such a high rate of recidivism amongst alcoholics, drug abusers, and even people with eating disorders, for example. It's a delicate balance between dealing with the individual's core drives to engage in the behaviour, and teaching them alternative outlets for stress release that are satisfactory for them. I.e., talk it out, but we can't offer you something to replace the bad behaviour. We'll just tell you to simply stop doing it. That doesn't work.

 

[nfq]

Where was her entourage/handlers to step in and take control?

She was talented no doubt, shame that her demons won.

 

[oilycreek]

Look at what they go through? Lol... They CHOSE that the first time they CHOSE to do drugs. No one is born an addict per se, they may be predisposed due to some neuroanatomical differences... There are plenty of people born with these same predispositions who never get addicted to drugs or alcohol... Am I to assume here that you felt sympathy for Paul Bernardo, Ted Bundy, Charles Manson because they were born with "diagnosable" mental disorders, clearly recognized in the DSM?
Uhhhh, so the bum gave the guy a smoke.... What's your point?
And you are seriously going to compare riding a bike to an addict? That's the most asinine thing I've ever heard... That comparison bespeaks of fanatical logic.
Most addicts don't change cause they don't want to not because thee resources aren't there...
This dumb ***** had money, celebrity, and some power...alllllll the things that would get her into treatment in an instant.
If the rider was riding like an idiot then as far as I'm concerned, one less idiot on the road.. and now, one less idiot, spoiled junky.....

You keep proving you have no idea what you're talking about. Research how drugs affect the brain. The addict's brain actually makes them think they are fine, were as riding a bike is a conscious decision we make when hoping on the bike, therefore the rider would deserve less sympathy then the addict. You talk a big story, but in the you know jack **** about drugs, and addiction. As for the comment , they chose that when they chose to do drugs, again you need to step outside your bubble, and see the world for what it is. Some, and when I say some I mean lots of people unknowingly get addicted to drugs. Before spewing your crap and making yourself look foolish do some research.

 

[oilycreek]

Where was her entourage/handlers to step in and take control?

She was talented no doubt, shame that her demons won.

They tried, but ultimately it's up to her not them. There is nothing they could do for her without her wanting the help.

 

[Freestyle72]

Amy Winhouse tragedy? Where's the tragedy? Dumb ***** flaunted her stupidity in the face of people who tried to help her... You have heard the song Rehab right?
Why people are surprised by this is beyond me....
I agree with others in that there are people far more deserving of my sympathy than this idiot...
Addiction is treatable, just like any other "disease." If you fail to seek treatment for it when others are trying to help, then you are an idiot.... She made her bed, now she has to lie in it....well, maybe not a bed, perhaps a coffin would be a better analogy...

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Please go look up the definition of tragedy as you are obviously an ignorant ****. I don't even like the broad, and neither do I feel bad for her.

 

[SlowNLow]

You keep proving you have no idea what you're talking about. Research how drugs affect the brain. The addict's brain actually makes them think they are fine, were as riding a bike is a conscious decision we make when hoping on the bike, therefore the rider would deserve less sympathy then the addict. You talk a big story, but in the you know jack **** about drugs, and addiction. As for the comment , they chose that when they chose to do drugs, again you need to step outside your bubble, and see the world for what it is. Some, and when I say some I mean lots of people unknowingly get addicted to drugs. Before spewing your crap and making yourself look foolish do some research.

The addicts brain does not change to make them think they are fine... Addiction is alllllll about the avoidance of withdrawal symptoms..
Unknowingly addicted to drugs? Are you serious? You are telling me that this idiot sidney know what she was doing?
The addict deserves zero sympathy... Zero...
I still cannot believe you'd be foolish enough to compare it to riding a bike..... That's just plan dumb...
I don't talk.. I know... Don't get your vagina alllllll crusty cause I know you're wrong..
Sorry bout your luck... She's dead... No loss

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[SlowNLow]

Please go look up the definition of tragedy as you are obviously an ignorant ****. I don't even like the broad, and neither do I feel bad for her.

And your point is? This isn't a tragedy.... But I'll stay ignorant thanks.....

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[oilycreek]

I cannot see how these are linked. One topic is about a drug addict breaking into people's homes to steal things. Another is about a talented entertainer who lost her life to drug addiction. Quite disconnected.

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I think it's pretty hard to comment on why there is such widespread alcohol and drug use in the entertainment industry if one isn't in it. I cannot imagine that being in the limelight all the time is pleasant. You have zero privacy. Drugs and/or alcohol are not just a part of the culture, but also blot out the stresses of having no private life, and having incredible expectations placed on you. After all, when you're famous, you're accountable to more than just your boss. You're accountable to the entire public.

In an interview I read with Amy Winehouse, she wasn't expecting to be catapulted to fame, but rather, she was a modest person who just enjoyed singing. Drugs and alcohol were clearly her coping mechanisms. This happens when people don't have the learned tools to cope with stresses in a healthy manner. Moreover, rehabilitation rarely addresses the core issues that cause a person to engage in self destructive behaviours in any meaningful way. This is why there is such a high rate of recidivism amongst alcoholics, drug abusers, and even people with eating disorders, for example. It's a delicate balance between dealing with the individual's core drives to engage in the behaviour, and teaching them alternative outlets for stress release that are satisfactory for them. I.e., talk it out, but we can't offer you something to replace the bad behaviour. We'll just tell you to simply stop doing it. That doesn't work.

It's simple. It's all perception, you saw this guy and without knowing him, figured he was a crack head, and gave him attitude from the start. Look at the posts on here where people are saying she's an idiot, spoiled brat ect without knowing her. maybe if you more friendly to the guy you would have seen he's a person just like you and me, but a person with a disease.

 

[boooya]

Probably gonna get some heat on this one but good riddance. Spoiled rich brat that can't control her addiction and the entire world mourns for her?
Been on the news for days now, who cares just another crack head.
Never hear about the father who died at work while trying to support his family, or the unsung everyday heros.
People give there lives for others everyday with not a wisper of it on the news.
I feel bad for her family for having to deal with her while she was alive, now they can carry on with there own lives.

 

[oilycreek]

The addicts brain does not change to make them think they are fine... Addiction is alllllll about the avoidance of withdrawal symptoms..
Unknowingly addicted to drugs? Are you serious? You are telling me that this idiot sidney know what she was doing?
The addict deserves zero sympathy... Zero...
I still cannot believe you'd be foolish enough to compare it to riding a bike..... That's just plan dumb...
I don't talk.. I know... Don't get your vagina alllllll crusty cause I know you're wrong..
Sorry bout your luck... She's dead... No loss

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Here's an excerpt from an article
[h=2]Isn’t Drug Addiction a Voluntary Behavior?[/h]A person may start out taking drugs voluntarily, but as time passes and drug use continues, something happens that makes a person go from being a voluntary drug user to a compulsive drug user. Why? Because the continued use of drugs changes how your brain functions. It impairs your ability to think clearly, to feel OK without drugs, and to control your behaviors. These all contribute to the compulsive drug seeking and use that is addiction.
[h=2]Isn’t Becoming Addicted to a Drug Just a Character Flaw?[/h]The first time people use drugs, it’s usually a conscious decision they’ve made. But once people become addicted, they are dealing with a brain disease. Each drug of abuse has its own individual way of changing how the brain functions. But in most cases, it doesn’t really matter which drug a person is addicted to; many of the effects it has on the brain are similar. The fact is that our brains are wired to make sure we will repeat activities, like eating, by associating those activities with pleasure or reward. Whenever this reward circuit is activated, the brain notes that something important is happening that needs to be remembered, and teaches us to do it again and again, without thinking about it. Because drugs of abuse stimulate the same circuit, we learn to abuse drugs in the same way. So while the initial decision to take drugs is a choice for some, a physical need replaces that choice. This is what’s known as addiction.
Key word in the first bold is usually, I know for a fact people unknowingly have become addicted to a certain drug. The second bold explains how the drug tricks people in to becoming addicts.
So again I say you no 100% of nothing when it comes to addiction, and maybe you should stick to what you know best, and that's trying to be a cool internet dude.

Here do your homework
http://teens.drugabuse.gov/facts/facts_brain1.php
[URL="http://www.drugabuse.gov/infofacts/understand.html"]http://www.drugabuse.gov/infofacts/understand.html
[URL]http://www.dosomething.org/actnow/tipsandtools/background-drug-abuse[/URL][/URL]

 

[oilycreek]

Probably gonna get some heat on this one but good riddance. Spoiled rich brat that can't control her addiction and the entire world mourns for her?
Been on the news for days now, who cares just another crack head.
Never hear about the father who died at work while trying to support his family, or the unsung everyday heros.
People give there lives for others everyday with not a wisper of it on the news.
I feel bad for her family for having to deal with her while she was alive, now they can carry on with there own lives.

LMFAO some one is looking for attention. You know when it starts off with "Probably gonna get some heat on this one" that it's just attention they want. There you got your attention now go play in the playground.

 

[boooya]

Wow you can see rite thru people thats super duper man. You born with those super powers or did you fall in some radio active gunk.
I said my piece just as you have yours, just because you don't like it dosn't mean your rite . I'll go back to the playground now, you go wipe your tears sweetheart.

LMFAO some one is looking for attention. You know when it starts off with "Probably gonna get some heat on this one" that it's just attention they want. There you got your attention now go play in the playground.

 

[stormcat]

It's simple. It's all perception, you saw this guy and without knowing him, figured he was a crack head, and gave him attitude from the start. Look at the posts on here where people are saying she's an idiot, spoiled brat ect without knowing her. maybe if you more friendly to the guy you would have seen he's a person just like you and me, but a person with a disease.

I've dealt with people such as him. I.e., people drunk and/or on drugs. The scariest people are those on cocaine or acid. Those drugs make them think they're invincible. I'm not some naive little girl who hasn't seen — first hand — the seedier side of humanity. I've had drug addicted friends. I even had one commit suicide after a lengthy battle with cocaine addiction. This is also how I know that rehabilitation methods don't work.

When it comes to addicts that implement criminal means to acquire funds, if you show any weakness, they'll push you. Hell, dude did try to push me. Being polite didn't work, and he had the nerve to demand money from me. Late at night, in my driveway. How is my perception of this guy skewed? Screw that. Yeah, demand money from me, and see my 'attitude'. If he was just some guy walking down the street, I wouldn't have thought anything of him. You're making assumptions about a situation you didn't experience yourself. I refuse to be a victim, thanks.

It's unlikely Amy Winehouse was creeping up on people late at night and demanding money from them. I understand that you're attempting to make a link here, but it's tenuous at best.

Maybe you should pop round my neighbourhood and ask this guy if he'd like to hang out at your house. Go ahead and show him some hospitality. I doubt he'd think twice about ripping you off. It's one thing to understand and acknowledge that addiction is a disease and that it alters the thought patterns and rationale. It's quite another to invite an addict with a lengthy criminal record into your home. That makes you not only naive, but open to victimization. Amy Winehouse was not a criminal, and was not a threat to your or my safety. Safety comes first and foremost.

FWIW, if you had something to say about "cowardice" and blowhards, then perhaps the non-cowardly way to say it would have been in the actual thread you were referring to. Don't ya think?

 

[El Zilcho]

Most of your comments in this thread disgust me. You know nothing about addictions, yet you're the first to judge. You select to whom your sympathy goes, as if it was some precious resource that you earned with a lifetime of perfection. The truth is that every life is important. That of the people who died in Oslo and that of those who die slowly in the spotlights and TV cameras. Who gave you the right to judge? If you can't afford a moment of reflection over a broken thread of life, then at least STFU.

 

[oilycreek]

I've dealt with people such as him. I.e., people drunk and/or on drugs. The scariest people are those on cocaine or acid. Those drugs make them think they're invincible. I'm not some naive little girl who hasn't seen — first hand — the seedier side of humanity. I've had drug addicted friends. I even had one commit suicide after a lengthy battle with cocaine addiction. This is also how I know that rehabilitation methods don't work.

When it comes to addicts that implement criminal means to acquire funds, if you show any weakness, they'll push you. Hell, dude did try to push me. Being polite didn't work, and he had the nerve to demand money from me. Late at night, in my driveway. How is my perception of this guy skewed? Screw that. Yeah, demand money from me, and see my 'attitude'. If he was just some guy walking down the street, I wouldn't have thought anything of him. You're making assumptions about a situation you didn't experience yourself. I refuse to be a victim, thanks.

It's unlikely Amy Winehouse was creeping up on people late at night and demanding money from them. I understand that you're attempting to make a link here, but it's tenuous at best.

Maybe you should pop round my neighbourhood and ask this guy if he'd like to hang out at your house. Go ahead and show him some hospitality. I doubt he'd think twice about ripping you off. It's one thing to understand and acknowledge that addiction is a disease and that it alters the thought patterns and rationale. It's quite another to invite an addict with a lengthy criminal record into your home. That makes you not only naive, but open to victimization. Amy Winehouse was not a criminal, and was not a threat to your or my safety. Safety comes first and foremost.

FWIW, if you had something to say about "cowardice" and blowhards, then perhaps the non-cowardly way to say it would have been in the actual thread you were referring to. Don't ya think?

Been there done that. I've had a few addicts sleep at my house, and I am still here, and haven't lost anything. Not just one time either. My knowledge of addicts is far more then just knowing what addiction is. In fact it's closer then many on this site have experienced.

 

[stormcat]

Been there done that. I've had a few addicts sleep at my house, and I am still here, and haven't lost anything. About posting in that thread, I was told of your ties to Paul, hence why I got my infraction, I've seen worse posts, and notta mention of an infraction, so I won't post in that thread.

Let me clarify something with you. I don't know Paul. I don't know any of the moderators. I also received an infraction and sent Paul an angry response, which I later felt bad about and apologized to him for. I did NOT report you. Your anger toward me is unjustified.

Perhaps instead of continuing to clutter a dedication thread to Amy Winehouse, this should turn to PMs. If there is anything left to discuss, that is.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

I've sat and listened to a terminal friend of 30+ years wax poetically about his daugther starting high school, and his son just getting his first MX bike. Reminded me of Ruger Hauer's soliloquie at the end of Blade Runner. Watched another terminal friend spit at his disease, and work on his vintage bikes right up into the wee small hours of the last day of his life. Like I said, I know too many people who died that didn't want to to start feeling sorry for some junkie that lit the fuse, laughed, and let 'er rip.

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