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[oilycreek]

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I've sat and listened to a terminal friend of 30+ years wax poetically about his daugther starting high school, and his son just getting his first MX bike. Reminded me of Ruger Hauer's soliloquie at the end of Blade Runner. Watched another terminal friend spit at his disease, and work on his vintage bikes right up into the wee small hours of the last day of his life. Like I said, I know too many people who died that didn't want to to start feeling sorry for some junkie that lit the fuse, laughed, and let 'er rip.

I've had 3 friends murdered before I was 20, a couple killed in car accidents, and one in a motorcycle accident. I know about death and loss, but I still am human enough to know any loss for any reason is sad, especially at such young ages.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

I didn't think you were sharp enough to get it ,so I'll spell it out to you.

I too have lost friends suddenly. Your analogy is moot, as it pales in comparison to looking into friends eyes as they tell you they have so much more they want to live to do. Another friend (who was ironically the best friend number one - with the daughter and son) went through Millwright Union sponsored rehab 3 times, joined the US Navy, got kicked out for drinking too much, and is now semi-homeless and using a mobility scooter to get around at the ripe old age of 50. After who knows how many interventions I've told him to go **** *******. If he won't make the effort, neither will I.

 

[invictus43]

Another crack-head junkie dead, who coincidently was a celebrity. Whoop-de-freaking-doo.

I suppose she was somebody's daughter..

 

[invictus43]

It was a waste. That's the real tragedy here.

True enough. She made bad choices..I feel some sympathy for her..although not that much..don't think she would care frankly. Don't think she'd want any sympathy from anyone. What a voice..

 

[invictus43]

No idea why people care so much about some entitled junkie killing herself with drugs.

I feel the same way about poorly skilled riders speeding or running from the cops and trying to eat a transport truck..but I keep getting flamed for it..

 

[Moreno636]

Waaaaahhhaaaa she was an addict...SHE CHOSE TO BE AN ADDICT! Its a choice, thousands of people kick addiction every single day. So spare me the pity party for this junky. Thousands of people get of drugs with far less resources and opportunities that she had. There are thousands who would also turn their lives around given a fraction of her resources. She flaunted, and almost reveled in her addiction. She was trashed out of her skull during that concert and this was seen coming a mile away. If this was some crack head that died in some back alley downtown a) nobody would give two sh--- and b) some of the same people hosting the little pity party would be saying the dead deserved whatever came to them due to the life THEY CHOSE!

 

[SlowNLow]

You keep proving you have no idea what you're talking about. Research how drugs affect the brain. The addict's brain actually makes them think they are fine, were as riding a bike is a conscious decision we make when hoping on the bike, therefore the rider would deserve less sympathy then the addict. You talk a big story, but in the you know jack **** about drugs, and addiction. As for the comment , they chose that when they chose to do drugs, again you need to step outside your bubble, and see the world for what it is. Some, and when I say some I mean lots of people unknowingly get addicted to drugs. Before spewing your crap and making yourself look foolish do some research.

Here's an excerpt from an article
[h=2]Isn’t Drug Addiction a Voluntary Behavior?[/h]A person may start out taking drugs voluntarily, but as time passes and drug use continues, something happens that makes a person go from being a voluntary drug user to a compulsive drug user. Why? Because the continued use of drugs changes how your brain functions. It impairs your ability to think clearly, to feel OK without drugs, and to control your behaviors. These all contribute to the compulsive drug seeking and use that is addiction.
[h=2]Isn’t Becoming Addicted to a Drug Just a Character Flaw?[/h]The first time people use drugs, it’s usually a conscious decision they’ve made. But once people become addicted, they are dealing with a brain disease. Each drug of abuse has its own individual way of changing how the brain functions. But in most cases, it doesn’t really matter which drug a person is addicted to; many of the effects it has on the brain are similar. The fact is that our brains are wired to make sure we will repeat activities, like eating, by associating those activities with pleasure or reward. Whenever this reward circuit is activated, the brain notes that something important is happening that needs to be remembered, and teaches us to do it again and again, without thinking about it. Because drugs of abuse stimulate the same circuit, we learn to abuse drugs in the same way. So while the initial decision to take drugs is a choice for some, a physical need replaces that choice. This is what’s known as addiction.
Key word in the first bold is usually, I know for a fact people unknowingly have become addicted to a certain drug. The second bold explains how the drug tricks people in to becoming addicts.
So again I say you no 100% of nothing when it comes to addiction, and maybe you should stick to what you know best, and that's trying to be a cool internet dude.

Here do your homework
http://teens.drugabuse.gov/facts/facts_brain1.php
http://www.drugabuse.gov/infofacts/understand.html
http://www.dosomething.org/actnow/tipsandtools/background-drug-abuse

So where does it say their brains are wired to think they're fine?
Thanks for proving each of my points for me.... much appreciated...

Here's one for you OHHHHHHHH WISE ONE....

[h=1]Addiction: New research suggests it's a choice[/h]Drug or alcohol addiction is not a disease, says Harvard psychologist, but a matter of free will



and another

[h=1]Addiction Is a Choice[/h]
By Jeffrey A. Schaler, Ph.D.
| October 1, 2002

Schools out.........

 

[SlowNLow]

Most of your comments in this thread disgust me. You know nothing about addictions, yet you're the first to judge. You select to whom your sympathy goes, as if it was some precious resource that you earned with a lifetime of perfection. The truth is that every life is important. That of the people who died in Oslo and that of those who die slowly in the spotlights and TV cameras. Who gave you the right to judge? If you can't afford a moment of reflection over a broken thread of life, then at least STFU.

So they disgust you... get over yourself... We select to whom our sympathy goes EVERY DAY, as do you... Not every life is important.... no way, no how. She didn't die slowly in the spotlights and TV cameras, she killed herself slowly in front of the spotlights and TV cameras.... if you are coming at this from a religious perspective, which you clearly are, isn't it a sin to take your own life?
I gave myself the right to judge.... just as you gave yourself the right to judge those that you are accusing of judging, thus being a hypocrite... Soooo, I would suggest you take the advice you so eloquently give in the acronym at the end of your rant.....

 

[SlowNLow]

I didn't think you were sharp enough to get it ,so I'll spell it out to you.

I too have lost friends suddenly. Your analogy is moot, as it pales in comparison to looking into friends eyes as they tell you they have so much more they want to live to do. Another friend (who was ironically the best friend number one - with the daughter and son) went through Millwright Union sponsored rehab 3 times, joined the US Navy, got kicked out for drinking too much, and is now semi-homeless and using a mobility scooter to get around at the ripe old age of 50. After who knows how many interventions I've told him to go **** *******. If he won't make the effort, neither will I.

Waaaaahhhaaaa she was an addict...SHE CHOSE TO BE AN ADDICT! Its a choice, thousands of people kick addiction every single day. So spare me the pity party for this junky. Thousands of people get of drugs with far less resources and opportunities that she had. There are thousands who would also turn their lives around given a fraction of her resources. She flaunted, and almost reveled in her addiction. She was trashed out of her skull during that concert and this was seen coming a mile away. If this was some crack head that died in some back alley downtown a) nobody would give two sh--- and b) some of the same people hosting the little pity party would be saying the dead deserved whatever came to them due to the life THEY CHOSE!

Gotta agree with you both on this one..... that I can admit.

 

[SlowNLow]

I've had 3 friends murdered before I was 20, a couple killed in car accidents, and one in a motorcycle accident. I know about death and loss, but I still am human enough to know any loss for any reason is sad, especially at such young ages.

Uhhh, noooo, any loss, for any reason is not sad..... I guess you were upset when Dahlmer was killed in prison eh? Or when they executed Ted Bundy? or when they killed Bin Laden? or Saddam?

 

[knowledge]

Some of you guys seem so unforgiving. Is it really that hard to understand that some people are better at kicking addictions than others? It's not just about the will to kick them...it's about having the capacity to (and some have more of a capacity).

Some people are also more able to get over depression than others (and some use drugs to cope). It always seems like the most unsympathetic people are the ones who would never be in that position - it's never the ones who've been in that position and understand how hard it is. Every person's different; and that extends to how much the drug affects them, how likely they are to take it in the first place, how easy it'll be to quit, etc.

Everyone says that people make a choice to take a drug, but it's not always just a choice. I'm not a hardcore advocate for determinism, but some people are more likely to do things than others.

 

[oilycreek]

So where does it say their brains are wired to think they're fine?
Thanks for proving each of my points for me.... much appreciated...

Here's one for you OHHHHHHHH WISE ONE....

[h=1]Addiction: New research suggests it's a choice[/h]Drug or alcohol addiction is not a disease, says Harvard psychologist, but a matter of free will



and another

[h=1]Addiction Is a Choice[/h]
By Jeffrey A. Schaler, Ph.D.
| October 1, 2002

Schools out.........

Did you even read the articles I posted? the problem is you're too ****ing lazy to read, then you post garbage links. Both links want you to join their page lol. The guy writing the article has a vested interest in convincing you his point, because he's trying to sell his book. There's always quacks that will try and argue science because it's how they make there living selling garbage books. The links I posted are from the The National Institute on Drug Abuse, no money being made, just pure research by qualified people. Where's the other guys proof it's choice. The NIDA has done scientific studies, by studying the brain of addicts, ie xrays of the brain ect. Your credibility has dropped lower then macaulay culkin's pants at neverland ranch.

Here'a a little info about NIDA
The National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA), a component of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), supports over 85% of the world's research on the health aspects of drug abuse and addiction
85% of the worlds research, that's credibility to me, seems your sources don't do too much research if they share 15% with all other researchers lmao.

 

[oilycreek]

Some of you guys seem so unforgiving. Is it really that hard to understand that some people are better at kicking addictions than others? It's not just about the will to kick them...it's about having the capacity to (and some have more of a capacity).

Some people are also more able to get over depression than others (and some use drugs to cope). It always seems like the most unsympathetic people are the ones who would never be in that position - it's never the ones who've been in that position and understand how hard it is. Every person's different; and that extends to how much the drug affects them, how likely they are to take it in the first place, how easy it'll be to quit, etc.

Everyone says that people make a choice to take a drug, but it's not always just a choice. I'm not a hardcore advocate for determinism, but some people are more likely to do things than others.

That's so true, but it's hard for them inside their bubble to understand it. One day their little bubble will burst and then will they understand how things work in the real world.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

Apparently Elton John has agreed to sing a heartwarming rendition of Candle Under the Spoon at the funeral.

 

[SlowNLow]

Apparently Elton John has agreed to sing a heartwarming rendition of Candle Under the Spoon at the funeral.

Lmao

I just heard on the radio that Keith Richards put in a bid to buy Amy Winhouse's body. He says he wants wrap her in paper and smoke her.

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[SlowNLow]

Did you even read the articles I posted? the problem is you're too ****ing lazy to read, then you post garbage links. Both links want you to join their page lol. The guy writing the article has a vested interest in convincing you his point, because he's trying to sell his book. There's always quacks that will try and argue science because it's how they make there living selling garbage books. The links I posted are from the The National Institute on Drug Abuse, no money being made, just pure research by qualified people. Where's the other guys proof it's choice. The NIDA has done scientific studies, by studying the brain of addicts, ie xrays of the brain ect. Your credibility has dropped lower then macaulay culkin's pants at neverland ranch.

Here'a a little info about NIDA
The National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA), a component of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), supports over 85% of the world's research on the health aspects of drug abuse and addiction
85% of the worlds research, that's credibility to me, seems your sources don't do too much research if they share 15% with all other researchers lmao.

Sorry bout your luck......

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[Moreno636]

Some of you guys seem so unforgiving. Is it really that hard to understand that some people are better at kicking addictions than others? It's not just about the will to kick them...it's about having the capacity to (and some have more of a capacity).

Says who? Anything you or anybody else can do, I (and anybody else) can do.

Some people are also more able to get over depression than others (and some use drugs to cope). It always seems like the most unsympathetic people are the ones who would never be in that position - it's never the ones who've been in that position and understand how hard it is. Every person's different; and that extends to how much the drug affects them, how likely they are to take it in the first place, how easy it'll be to quit, etc.

Everyone says that people make a choice to take a drug, but it's not always just a choice. I'm not a hardcore advocate for determinism, but some people are more likely to do things than others.

How is it not always a choice? EVERYTHING WE DO is a CHOICE. Nobody strapped her down and stuck the needle in her arm. She CHOSE to do it. Again, ANYTHING you can do, I can do...its just how badly do I want to do it thats the issue.

 

[stevex]

"No sympathy for the devil, keep that in mind...you buy the ticket, you take the ride." -Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

 

[Duster929]

Where was her entourage/handlers to step in and take control?

She was talented no doubt, shame that her demons won.

You know that "demons" are just a figure of speech, right? There aren't actually demons, that can win or lose. There's only the individual. I suppose she was talented, as she had 2 records, one of them a hit. She was also quite popular. But she died because she was addicted to drugs. There were no outside forces acting on her.

 

[invictus43]

But she died because she was addicted to drugs. There were no outside forces acting on her.

To be fair, we don't actually know why she died. The speculation may turn out to be true, probably will..but let's not reach a conclusion before all the evidence is in..

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