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RIP Amy Winehouse
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Great reply, Oilycreek! Blessings to you!
I'll never have to try to quit smoking because I will never start smoking. I'll never have to try to quit drinking because I really don't drink that much. I'll never have to try to kick a drug addiction because I'll never start doing them in the first place.
If a house of cards collapses is it the fault of the wind or is it the fault of the person who chose to build a house of playing cards?
No one put a gun to her head the first time she did the drug, no one put a gun to her head all the subsequent times up until she could be considered an addict. She chose her choice.
It ultimately comes back to that. I will say though for those that don't fully understand the consequences of their actions (e.g. teen smoking or drinking), I have more empathy.
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oilycreek
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here's my question to all the know it alls.
How many of you have been affected by drug addiction? such as crack, coke, heroine ect. and if so how close to you is that person ie yourself, parent, sibling, child, friend ect., how many have had to study addiction and the affects of addiction? how to deal with addicts, ect.
How many of you have been affected by drug addiction? such as crack, coke, heroine ect. and if so how close to you is that person ie yourself, parent, sibling, child, friend ect., how many have had to study addiction and the affects of addiction? how to deal with addicts, ect.
There has been a lot of talk about this being her choice to abuse drugs/alcohol/whatever. Here is a little something to think about....
What if she made that choice only once? The first time she tried that drug or whatever....that may have been the only time she had a true choice of whether to use or not. After that first time, she may have become addicted, (and lost that choice) and thus the downward spiral began. It has been said that a person has to hit rock bottom before they can change...maybe death was her rock bottom. Heaping scorn on someone's head because they have fallen is certainly no way to extend your hand toward them and help them back up.
To put this in terms that we are probably a little more familiar with...what if your buddy took that corner a little too hot and wiped out his bike? As he was laying on the side of the road, possibly with serious injuries, would you just laugh and say "Sucks to be you, buddy... you made the wrong choice entering that corner too fast .... see ya!" and ride away? I hope not.
What if she made that choice only once? The first time she tried that drug or whatever....that may have been the only time she had a true choice of whether to use or not. After that first time, she may have become addicted, (and lost that choice) and thus the downward spiral began. It has been said that a person has to hit rock bottom before they can change...maybe death was her rock bottom. Heaping scorn on someone's head because they have fallen is certainly no way to extend your hand toward them and help them back up.
To put this in terms that we are probably a little more familiar with...what if your buddy took that corner a little too hot and wiped out his bike? As he was laying on the side of the road, possibly with serious injuries, would you just laugh and say "Sucks to be you, buddy... you made the wrong choice entering that corner too fast .... see ya!" and ride away? I hope not.
SlowNLow
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I spent 15 years as an addiction counsellor at the Clarke Institute of Psychiatry and then the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health after the 4 centre merger in '98.....
How's about you? hmmmm????
Although I didn't think I would, I do actually agree with your opinion. A celebrity with as many financial options as a celebrity SHOULD utilize them and SHOULD have as many opportunities as possible to get sober.
But I don't think that show-biz is ultimately the best venue in which to become sober. Sure, you have handlers and promoters and managers and all that jazz, but I don't believe for a second they give a rats *** about your well-being. It's all about making a quick buck, and if that means shoving your artist in rehab for a quick stint for a quick fix, then I'm sure that's all that they need to secure their money.
To be honest, I think that celebrities probably have the worst time getting clean. All of these people indulging in their bubble-lives, trying to feed off their celebrity and not really telling them how it really is. I'm not trying to cry a river for them, trust me. I just don't think it's an ideal situation just because they have money. I don't think they live in the same reality, where they can hit bottom as fast as the rest of us would.
Dude ive done allot of drugs when I was younger, coke, acid, mushrooms, weed and I smoked and drank way to much. Grew up had kids and put it all behind me, 19 years of smoking stopped cold turkey. I still enjoy the odd reefer from time to time, but not an addict.
She like everyone else in this world has choices, she just kept making the wrong one time and time again. She is the one to blame for her own death. If she didn't care about her own life why should any one else? As far as im concerned she was a bad role model to begin with.
You want your kids looking up to the crackhead that has a good voice?
Thats just messed up, how is that even remotely close to being the same? She had every opportunity to get help and refused it. The dumb ***** even made a song about it lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUmZp8pR1uc&ob=av2n
If the neigborhood bum OD'd in the back alley no one would give a ****, especially not Amy Winehouse.
On another note heard that they found her diary and she mentioned that she wanted to die at the age of 27 like Kurt and Hendrix. LOL wish granted.
oilycreek
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I call BS, you seem to know very little about addiction, and if you were treating addiction as a choice rather then a disease, you were a part of the problem not the solution. I would feel sorry for anyone you counselled.
Addiction has been a part of my life since 2005. drug addiction has affected my life since 2005, one of my kids is an addict so I have had to understand addiction and the affects of addiction, and how to deal with addicts. She unknowingly got addicted to drugs, as some dirt bag was giving friends cigarettes laced with crack I found out he had done this to many teenagers, when he was arrested he turned informant and wasn't charged with ****, typical garbage.
oilycreek
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I want my kids looking up to her as a person, and learning from her. I don't want my kids to discriminate against anyone for any reason.
I don't believe you. Not after the comments you've made.
Alcoholism, aplenty. And several different forms of mental illness, with its related obsessive/addictive/compulsive behaviour. Thanks for asking.
I believe in reasons and explanations. I don't believe in excuses.
Quoted for the massive luls that you provided me...
On a side note, if you are an addict to anything, you are a weak human being looking for excuses to circumvent you're laziness
Ok, this is where my expertise comes into play.
The average IQ of a child afflicted by Down's Syndrome is 50, vs a child that is 'normal' is about 100.
With conditioning, nurturing and socialization, they can be taught to adapt and relate to the world at large with the appropriate social graces and coping skills. This does not necessarily impact on their overall IQ potential. It can minimize however, their overall susceptability to a secondary mental health diagnosis during their development.
As for the opportunities that they are limited to, that is more a consequence of societal marginalization, then any given afflicted individual's overall limitations. The phrase 'last to hire, first to fire' comes to mind, very handily. We as a society limit their chances in the world at large, in spite of any 'human rights' equality that they may have, or any moves towards de-institutionalization and integration into society that have been made here in Ontario in the past 20 years. Fact. A developmentally disadvantaged individual has a surprising ability to adapt, given supports and a chance.
Bottom line - it's a poor analogy. An individual with Down's Syndrome didn't choose their affliction. However, those that pick up a crack-pipe, or start cranking shots down a vein, at some point made a choice to enter into that life-style. Those that choose not to avail themselves of the supports available, and make the necessary life changes to kick that addiction, have only themselves to blame. Sympathy is unearned, if that addicted individual doesn't make an effort to correct their own bad choices in life.
Amy Winehouse may have been an addict, and she may well have paid the ultimate price for her own bad choices - but those were her choices alone. She had options (and more options available to her than most), but she ****** her life away regardless. Why should I feel sympathetic to someone who is self-destructive in such a manner, when there are plenty of others out there to show sympathy for, who struggle to hold onto all that they hold dear, and lose out to forces well beyond their control - and yet don't get much in the way of sympathy, because they weren't a 'celebrity'?
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And let's not forget something important. Amy Winehouse was not retarded. Folks seem to think she was an intelligent, talented woman. When did we start believing that intelligent, talented women lose their ability to exercise their free will because of their genetic history?
I have spent 0 years there and I have more compassion for these people than you... That's about me.
You people who bash all the addicts don't seem to realize why and how addicts end up where they are. Sure, some of them end up addicted out of ignorance or arrogance, but in many cases drugs are the only way out these people see out their daily misery. By the time they end up worse off it's too late for them to just quit.
I can't imagine why you are so tough on these people. If you think you can handle all the hardship that live can throw at you, I sure do hope you are not proven wrong the really hard way...
I can't imagine why you are so tough on these people. If you think you can handle all the hardship that live can throw at you, I sure do hope you are not proven wrong the really hard way...
Except this is not how it usually works. Logic is not what dictates human behaviour, no matter if you like it or not, agree with it or not... But hey... You can either explore with an open mind, or seek "evidence" of something you want to believe in.
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