oh right i forgot that universal rule
anyway crime stats are a red herring there is no causal link to freedom of speech
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oh right i forgot that universal rule
anyway crime stats are a red herring there is no causal link to freedom of speech
oh right i forgot that universal rule
so can we safely agree that freedom of speech is understood and accepted differently across the globe and not appropriate to apply one standard to another?
since both have pro's and con's
Nope it has a standard definition already and as such there is no freedom of speech in Iran or Malaysia. Its also a standard to be strived for and it a mark of the relative freeness of a society. Freeness can be compared and it is appropriate to expect said countries to improve.
No..get your facts correct, any overt display of religious paraphenalia or clothing in a public place in France is illegal. It is a secular country and that country has chosen to apply secular law in a way it seems fit. To be honest, I think it works on some levels and helps with integration. France has a problem with ghettoisation and this can help alleviate that.
so nuns get a ticket for dressing as such? pretty sure no such fines have been issued
too tired for this argument again... time for zzzzzz
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Here's something that happened in Germany too http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3731368.stm
Actually the law on overt displays of religious paraphernalia only applies to public schools except universities. Not in public places. in 2010 they banned the niqab or burqa (full face) in public but not the head scarf.
As a secularist i don't think the banning religious symbols on any type is good secular law. If all face coverings in public were banned the argument could be bad but its specifically banning a cultural form of clothing but would not bad the minority of jews who require the same thing although they are a tiny minority . As long as a someone is wearing it by choice and not being coerced into it im okay with it. Although im sure there is allot of women who sadly are forced to wear it
To correct myself the law does apply to all face covering. However its still a bad law IMO as one of the hilarious side affects is that it actually unintentionally banned masscots for sports teams
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Please tell me then, why are there are so many Muslims living in non-Islamic states, even the most "evil" like France and USA?
Because living in an Islamic state is to be oppressed. Many leave if given the chance. Period.
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Yea thats an unintentional side affect thats why you don't make such short sighted laws in a secular country..thats pretty funny actually.
This is a similar example:
http://www.christianpost.com/news/f...-satanists-atheists-demand-equal-time-129816/
a good deal are refuges and economic migrants.
Ah, refugees from what? Religious persecution perhaps?
How many people flee from "evil" western countries and enter Islamic countries as refugees?
Western countries (secular states) may not be perfect but they're one heck of a lot better to live in than Islamic countries, and most importantly, western countries have in place a process (democratic elections) to fix what's not working. Islamic countries are stuck with the manipulated interpretations of centuries old religious texts/rules, and where death awaits anyone suggesting otherwise.
There is no possible further argument on this, is there?
How many people flee from "evil" western countries and enter Islamic countries as refugees?
Western countries (secular states) may not be perfect but they're one heck of a lot better to live in than Islamic countries, and most importantly, western countries have in place a process (democratic elections) to fix what's not working. Islamic countries are stuck with the manipulated interpretations of centuries old religious texts/rules, and where death awaits anyone suggesting otherwise.
There is no possible further argument on this, is there?
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War's mostly, political and religious persecution falls into it
Mainly amongst themselves. Shia and Sunni tribalism
just like, but even more violent than, Catholics vs Protestants in Ireland some decades ago.
See how stupid religion is?
Well there is lots of different sects if islam. Whirling Dervishes are one for example and they are often mistreated
That's because they're usually dizzy...if they stayed still for a minute they'd be easier to deal with.
That made me chuckle
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Here is Shah's idea of free speech:
http://www.news.com.au/world/middle...-insulting-islam/story-fnh81ifq-1227185842850
And as for Shah's admiration of the pinnacle of Islamic society, here is an apt article from Malaysia:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/malaysian-man-rape-marries-victim_n_3321086.html
This is not a one off either... back when I lived in Indonesia I saw articles almost monthly from both Indonesian and Malaysian sources where girls were raped (sometimes by the police) and then forced to marry their rapist.
If that is the kind of justice system you strive for Shah, why did you (presumably) immigrate to Canada?
http://www.news.com.au/world/middle...-insulting-islam/story-fnh81ifq-1227185842850
And as for Shah's admiration of the pinnacle of Islamic society, here is an apt article from Malaysia:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/malaysian-man-rape-marries-victim_n_3321086.html
This is not a one off either... back when I lived in Indonesia I saw articles almost monthly from both Indonesian and Malaysian sources where girls were raped (sometimes by the police) and then forced to marry their rapist.
If that is the kind of justice system you strive for Shah, why did you (presumably) immigrate to Canada?
On another forum, links were provided to a couple of good articles in the Globe and Mail that are worth reading.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/glob...-is-between-islam-and-itself/article22375452/
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/glob...o-our-core-democratic-values/article22424207/
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Regarding differences in various rights and freedoms, values, belief systems, etc between countries ... Certainly, there are differences. Certainly there are those in every situation who think their own system is better than the others - or not.
The problem is not necessarily that any one system is better or worse than any of the others. The problem is when any one group attempts to thrust its beliefs upon others who don't necessarily want it.
Granted, the Americans are most certainly guilty of meddling in the Middle East (and Vietnam, and elsewhere).
But ... People who came from the Middle East, or anywhere else in the world, and came to Canada, or France, or the USA, or wherever, presumably in search of a better life or to escape whatever their previous country was doing to them, ought not to be trying to make Canada/France/USA/wherever into the country that they came from.
If they can't deal with freedom of speech and ALL of its consequences, they ought to either shut up and deal with it, or move back where they came from.
"When in Rome, do as the Romans."
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/glob...-is-between-islam-and-itself/article22375452/
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/glob...o-our-core-democratic-values/article22424207/
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Regarding differences in various rights and freedoms, values, belief systems, etc between countries ... Certainly, there are differences. Certainly there are those in every situation who think their own system is better than the others - or not.
The problem is not necessarily that any one system is better or worse than any of the others. The problem is when any one group attempts to thrust its beliefs upon others who don't necessarily want it.
Granted, the Americans are most certainly guilty of meddling in the Middle East (and Vietnam, and elsewhere).
But ... People who came from the Middle East, or anywhere else in the world, and came to Canada, or France, or the USA, or wherever, presumably in search of a better life or to escape whatever their previous country was doing to them, ought not to be trying to make Canada/France/USA/wherever into the country that they came from.
If they can't deal with freedom of speech and ALL of its consequences, they ought to either shut up and deal with it, or move back where they came from.
"When in Rome, do as the Romans."
