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More than 120,000 federal public servants across Canada, has voted in favour of a strike

That was very carefully worded to reference wages instead of total compensation. The entire picture changes when you add defined benefit pensions and huge benefit packages. Doesnt support the narrative to look at total comp though.

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Also reference point is internal. Comparing to 2007 federal public sector wages. If ps wages are so bad, how did workforce grow by 30%? They should have trouble filling seats if it's unreasonable. Again, avoiding a reference to a reasonable, measurable external source (like comparable current private sector comp in jobs where that is applicable).
No clue about benefits for federal worker. But as an Ontario govt agency worker my benefits (besides the pension) are worse than my previous private sector employer (glasses, dental, and massages, etc)
 
Usually all the posties I met around our area finished up with their route, went home, and then went to a second part time job.

One of my buddies worked as a postie, and with me at the Beer Store 20 years ago…he’s still there last time I went in.
I used to get my pharma supplies from a postie in exchange for letting him use my inside dock for his 3hr afternoon nap.

The fellow next door carried mail for decades. He started at 730 am, finished and got home by 12:30.
 
No clue about benefits for federal worker. But as an Ontario govt agency worker my benefits (besides the pension) are worse than my previous private sector employer (glasses, dental, and massages, etc)
How about pension, sick days, personal/family days, stat days?
 
How about pension, sick days, personal/family days, stat days?
1. Pension - I mentioned it’s better here
2. Sick Days - never actually found out as I have taken a sick day 1-2 times in the last decade
3. I get 3 personal / family days
4. Stay days…only additional day we get is the Truth and Reconciliation Day that is beyond my private work
 
1. Pension - I mentioned it’s better here
2. Sick Days - never actually found out as I have taken a sick day 1-2 times in the last decade
3. I get 3 personal / family days
4. Stay days…only additional day we get is the Truth and Reconciliation Day that is beyond my private work
Do you get Easter Monday, Simcoe, and Rememberance days?
 
Usually all the posties I met around our area finished up with their route, went home, and then went to a second part time job.

One of my buddies worked as a postie, and with me at the Beer Store 20 years ago…he’s still there last time I went in.
If you’re a full timer and own your own route, chances are you’ll get it done before the official end time of your shift. Would be dumb not to pick up a section of overtime if offered. Each route has 3 sections - one of which is junk mail (have to hit every house). Chances are you’ll get done the regular section in 1.25 hours max, and get paid for 1.75 hours, at overtime rate ($46). Junk mail sections tend to take a bit more than the 1.75 hours credited.

Me, I get 25 hours a week. Lousy. I make up the difference with refereeing ice hockey in the winter and teaching motorcycle courses in the summer. Do some graphic design on the side when the opportunity presents.
 
1. Pension - I mentioned it’s better here
2. Sick Days - never actually found out as I have taken a sick day 1-2 times in the last decade
3. I get 3 personal / family days
4. Stay days…only additional day we get is the Truth and Reconciliation Day that is beyond my private work
How about the extra 5 days the gov’t have put into play? Can’t split them down into hours. If you use 1 minute as a personal day, the whole day gets burned. They also get used before your regular personal day off hours.
Considering this, I get 5 gov’t days, then 3 more personal days.

Maybe it’s just a federal program thing, I dunno. But I‘m not complaining.
 
How about the extra 5 days the gov’t have put into play? Can’t split them down into hours. If you use 1 minute as a personal day, the whole day gets burned. They also get used before your regular personal day off hours.
Considering this, I get 5 gov’t days, then 3 more personal days.

Maybe it’s just a federal program thing, I dunno. But I‘m not complaining.
Don’t have any 5 additional days I know of.

However I’m currently on parental leave where I get topped up to 93% of my salary. Which is fun as EI hasn’t gotten my ROE yet so that top up is gonna get delayed.
 
The federal employees was 4 or 5 yrs getting the deal cut from the last negotiations. They are at 2 yrs so far trying to get a deal this time.
 
Brutal…yet on point…


Yeah building on this ..


On contracting out, we intend to reduce this practice as we outlined in Budget 2023. That said, we hope everyone can understand that reducing it to zero would severely compromise the Government’s ability to deliver services and work for Canadians.

Speaking from my IT / technical projects POV....... If they increased salaries and kept budgets stable so departments had enough people. They could retain and attract decent talent reducing the need to contract out and likely save a ton of money. Less service contracts , quicker SLAs to resolve issues, cheaper to make modifications to the system since you can do it in-house etc etc.


What's the solution ?
 
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Speaking from my IT / technical projects POV....... If they increased salaries and kept budgets stable so departments had enough people. They could retain and attract decent talent reducing the need to contract out and likely save a ton of money. Less service contracts , quicker SLAs to resolve issues, cheaper to make modifications to the system since you can do it in-house etc etc.


What's the solution ?

What is the counter part of a servant?

A master.

If you are a civil servant, the people paying your wages must be your masters.

Why do the servants expect more security than their masters?

How can the civil service perform its duties if it has no understanding of what a non civil servant has to go through?

In the private sector employers go bankrupt if the employees goof off, make unreasonable demands or conditions change.

If the people have no bread to eat, let them eat cake.
 
Yeah building on this ..




Speaking from my IT / technical projects POV....... If they increased salaries and kept budgets stable so departments had enough people. They could retain and attract decent talent reducing the need to contract out and likely save a ton of money. Less service contracts , quicker SLAs to resolve issues, cheaper to make modifications to the system since you can do it in-house etc etc.


What's the solution ?
I think the issue of contracting out work is not a good/bad discussion as a whole, it's something that's relevant on each contract.

Hiring consultants is wise when you need expertise you don't have, unwise when you do it to give bureaucrats an EASY button, or to reward those who support your family's foundation.

Contracting govt work to private contractors should be done whenever practice. Govt should never be in direct competition with the private sector. Some things are govt only work, the private sector doesn't offer products or services, or there are security issues... these are the things givt staff should be doing.
 
I don't know the details of work from home but considering the concentration of civil servants in Ottawa, if WFH becomes a big thing there is a going to be a huge surplus of office space in the big O.

I knew a guy that rented the ground floor of a high rise office building in the middle of nowhere. The upper floors were all government and he made a killing selling snacks, smokes, cards, magazines plus he had a hair dressing salon and barber shop.

Then the government relocated that department, letting the building sit vacant for a couple of years and he lost 95% of his clientele. It looked good on him because he was a jerk. Karma. Other decent business owners could be equally affected.
 
I don't know the details of work from home but considering the concentration of civil servants in Ottawa, if WFH becomes a big thing there is a going to be a huge surplus of office space in the big O.

I knew a guy that rented the ground floor of a high rise office building in the middle of nowhere. The upper floors were all government and he made a killing selling snacks, smokes, cards, magazines plus he had a hair dressing salon and barber shop.

Then the government relocated that department, letting the building sit vacant for a couple of years and he lost 95% of his clientele. It looked good on him because he was a jerk. Karma. Other decent business owners could be equally affected.
You just explained the risk of being a commercial / residential landlord.

There’s this image of landlording being easy peasy with zero risk involved. 100% not the case.

Residential is less risk, but also less reward. If you can get a good and steady commercial tenant then you’re golden. But you run the risk of running vacant for an extended period of time.

I work in a commercial tower of 12 stories. 1 is taken up by us, one by the contractor, and 2 other smaller businesses. You’d figure the landlord would be more willing to work with us and fix things…nope. Literally fighting tooth and nail with their largest client.

I’d do everything in my power to keep the tenants that are paying and are easy money (provincial org).
 
OTTAWA - The Public Service Alliance of Canada has reached a tentative contract agreement with the Treasury Board covering more than 120,000 federal government workers across the country.

The national strike is now over for Treasury Board workers who are now required to return to work at 9 a.m. on Monday or their next scheduled shift.

PSAC says strike action continues for 35,000 Canada Revenue Agency workers nationwide, with contract negotiations ongoing.

The union says the new contract agreement secured wage increases totalling 12.6 per cent over four years and a pensionable $2,500 one-time lump sum payment that represents an additional 3.7 per cent of salary for the average union member in Treasury Board bargaining units.

 
OTTAWA - The Public Service Alliance of Canada has reached a tentative contract agreement with the Treasury Board covering more than 120,000 federal government workers across the country.

The national strike is now over for Treasury Board workers who are now required to return to work at 9 a.m. on Monday or their next scheduled shift.

PSAC says strike action continues for 35,000 Canada Revenue Agency workers nationwide, with contract negotiations ongoing.

The union says the new contract agreement secured wage increases totalling 12.6 per cent over four years and a pensionable $2,500 one-time lump sum payment that represents an additional 3.7 per cent of salary for the average union member in Treasury Board bargaining units.

Am I to assume the lump sum is to compensate the loss of wages during the strike?
 
Am I to assume the lump sum is to compensate the loss of wages during the strike?
In my experience, lump sums are a bit of a "greaser" to the deal. Some cash in the pockets of the workers, but it doesn't add to the compounding effect of the annual increase, doesn't add to the other fringe benefits - health plans, pension etc.
 
In my experience, lump sums are a bit of a "greaser" to the deal. Some cash in the pockets of the workers, but it doesn't add to the compounding effect of the annual increase, doesn't add to the other fringe benefits - health plans, pension etc.
Good. A few years back the posties were asking for a big raise because the Post Office had a bumper crop year. A bonus makes more sense because the raise would have been perpetual, even on bad years.
 

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