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More than 120,000 federal public servants across Canada, has voted in favour of a strike
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Mad Mike
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If I were in charge of the govts side, I'd come at the unions with a demand that any deal would not exceed 20% above the private sector average for the same type of work.
It wasn't a federal employee but......
I had driven to Ottawa for a service call and then got a call from Kingston General Hospital that their snow melting had a problem. I fininshed the job in Ottawa and headed to KGH enroute home. I already had about 12 hours in already.
Because there was traffic where I was working they had to provide a flunky as a safety.
As it was approaching 5:00 PM the flunky says it's his quiting time just as his boss came out. I needed another half hour to fiinish. Flunky refuses to work a half hour overtime but will come back if he gets a call in.
That means he walks across the street and has officially left work. Then he walks back and gets a minimum four hours at time and a half. He got it. I finished and drove home.
A cousin was a federal civil servant and I had dinner with her on another service call there. We're both from Manitoba with family back there.
I asked her if she'd been back recently and she said she could never get a government flight (Free). When I want to go I pull out my credit card.
I had driven to Ottawa for a service call and then got a call from Kingston General Hospital that their snow melting had a problem. I fininshed the job in Ottawa and headed to KGH enroute home. I already had about 12 hours in already.
Because there was traffic where I was working they had to provide a flunky as a safety.
As it was approaching 5:00 PM the flunky says it's his quiting time just as his boss came out. I needed another half hour to fiinish. Flunky refuses to work a half hour overtime but will come back if he gets a call in.
That means he walks across the street and has officially left work. Then he walks back and gets a minimum four hours at time and a half. He got it. I finished and drove home.
A cousin was a federal civil servant and I had dinner with her on another service call there. We're both from Manitoba with family back there.
I asked her if she'd been back recently and she said she could never get a government flight (Free). When I want to go I pull out my credit card.
My offer would be no roll back but wages frozen until they match private. Learn to live with what the commoners live with.
Mad Mike
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Give us some examples where federal employees trail private sector wages and benefits.
sburns
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Add in 100% back to the office.
For those that signed up to that program 100% back to office or commensurate pay cut to compensate is entirely reasonable and supported by case law. Recent hires complicate the situation unless contracts were well written (and I have little faith in that).
Lets just say i have first hand knowledge on this. Person worked 5yrs before they hit top rate
I agree that not every federal worker is in sunshine territory. Not federal but my lawyer lost his assistant to the city government. She didn't get a raise in pay but was handed a book an inch thick outlining her benefits.
What is job security worth these days?
Running my company I paid CPP. Some would say I could have done better playing the market but I'm pretty much guaranteed a couple of grand a month, until Canada goes bust anyways.
Many years ago I was talking to a designer working for one of my clients. Erroneously, I mentioned I only got a 3% raise that year. He replied he hadn't gotten a raise in two years and if he was asked to take a 10% cut to keep his job he'd take the cut. The joy of the private sector.
A relative, working for a large general contractor, was asked what concessions he would take to keep his job in lean times. He replied "Anything"
They moved him to Yellowknife.
In the private sector post retirement benefits are being phased out. In the government they are being enhanced. Try getting travel insurance as you age. Government....no problem.
Mad Mike
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OK, do what was the top rate compared to the privstec sector?
My SIL went from a file clerk in a private clinic to doing same job at a gov facility. 50% hourly boost in pay, +pension, +full med/dental,+, +, +....
I can see the need for better wages for govt employees operating well below private sector, but not those way above.
sburns
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Gov contracts of course...
Mad Mike
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Certainly nurses, teachers have a healthy private sector cohort. The rest can reasonably be compared to similar professions requiring the same training and skills.
City councillor = camp counselor.
Fire, police are harder to compare as they are govt only jobs. Along with teachers, I'd move that to supply and demand economics.
BigEvilDoer
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Lucky. Posties get paid crap. On-call basis for ages, maybe 2 years before you get hired permanent part time… then you get paid $23ish. You get $1 more per year after that, capping out at $31. So it’s a real struggle to make it up the ranks to full time without a side hustle.
Usually all the posties I met around our area finished up with their route, went home, and then went to a second part time job.
One of my buddies worked as a postie, and with me at the Beer Store 20 years ago…he’s still there last time I went in.
jdmsteR
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Federal Public Sector Workers’ Wages No Better Now Than in 2007, New Report Shows
PSAC strike has turned into
pressprogress.ca
That was very carefully worded to reference wages instead of total compensation. The entire picture changes when you add defined benefit pensions and huge benefit packages. Doesnt support the narrative to look at total comp though.Federal Public Sector Workers’ Wages No Better Now Than in 2007, New Report Shows
PSAC strike has turned into
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Also reference point is internal. Comparing to 2007 federal public sector wages. If ps wages are so bad, how did workforce grow by 30%? They should have trouble filling seats if it's unreasonable. Again, avoiding a reference to a reasonable, measurable external source (like comparable current private sector comp in jobs where that is applicable).
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Mad Mike
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Yawn.Federal Public Sector Workers’ Wages No Better Now Than in 2007, New Report Shows
PSAC strike has turned into
You think Ed Broadbent's socialists Think Tank is going to be objective?
Maybe we should see what Rebel News has to say?
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