Money = Success? Moved from Pannon Thread

[sonnythebull]

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You wouldnt hear it as your head is still stuck in the sand.

And your head is too. You love your Kids and wife and yet have over 6000 posts on this site. And how many on other time wasting message boards. The Internet and your computer costs money and is distracting you from what you supposedly love. You might revel in not working more but you might as well as you are wasting your life on the Internet. Oh yeah and those people you love so much and the joy of having kids is gonna be destroyed if you keep spending the evil money on dumauriers. Which by the way cost....wait for it....money

 

[Brian]

She works hard for the money
So hard for it honey

 

[sonnythebull]

So you think that's the reason why, because a work visa is difficult to get lol??

Lazy and unambitous? Don't care? Not worth it? Either way uprooting your family for some more money isn't worth it, if it's many times more money than I'm sure the scenario would change

 

[fastar1]

You've misunderstood her quote. What she is saying that she wouldnt cure the leaper for money, but for love. This means that money doesnt motivate her. What it doesnt say is that she wouldnt be just as successful if she had lots of money to help that leper.
Once again, please tell me how any of this disproves the fact that if she had money she would be much more successful in her endeavours? If Mother Teresa had a billion dollars, do you seriously believe she wouldnt have been able to do far more than if she had naught? Seriously??

You're watering down your statement to say "money can be used to acheive one's goals". It's not at all the same as "money equals success". There will always be failures in the face of boatloads of money.

Again, who cares what one or two or three people believe, think or feel. Its irrelevant. Anecdotal evidence is nonsense.

The rest of this post has been covered over and over again, I dont know why it keeps going over your head. Without money you cannot do the things that make you happy no matter how much personal discovery you undergo to find out what makes you happy. If you realize that making wicker baskets makes you happy, without the money to buy the materials you wont be able to make those baskets and you wont be happy. Again...at the end of the day, you need money to indulge in whatever you feel makes you happy.


Discussing the pursuit of money is another discussion, but again without money for the vast majority of people on this planet it equates to unhappiness. This isnt an opinion, its a fact, backed up by numerous studies and research. To simply disprove this, give up every cent you have, every possession you have and then get back to us about your happiness....with like a carrier pigeon (actually no they need to be fed)...so you'd have to use smoke signals or something.

Again you're watering down your statement; "money equals happiness". The you say "well, not money itself but the things it can do for you". And now "If you have no money you will be unhappy". This is like the person who has no water will be dead! Duh. That still doesn't mean water equals health!

Now it is true that without money it becomes almost impossible to get the things you may need to acheive happiness. But that is simply a statement on the structure of society rather than anything to do about money itself. Money is an indispensible tool for the health of modern society. Does that mean that before currency was invented, everyone was miserable? Of course not. They used all the other tools at their disposal, tools we still have available to us now. Money is needed to get by at all in life, and that's by design. It's still a very far cry from money equals happiness.

It's always a good thing to be very precise about what we mean, and in particular on a subject such as this it's incredibly important to avoid suggesting that money equals happiness. They are related for sure, and yes, money CAN buy happiness, but they are not intrinsically linked.

 

[Moreno636]

Your example is unrealistic. No one gets a suitcase full of money. However, earning $50 million requires a lot of work and sacrifice. Your example that I have to go on and adventure in the Himalayas, K2 or Mont Blanc reflects your flawed thinking that I have to do more, MUCH MORE to be happy. If I had your way of looking at things summing K2 would't make me happy. I would have to get to the moon to summit something there. I am happy with what I did and I know I will continue to do things that make me happy without that suitcase full of money.

OH FOR THE LAST DAMN TIME, how a person gets the money is not what we are discussing. Why cant you get that through your head???

So wait a minute are you actually saying that as a mountain climbing enthusiast, scaling Mont Blanc wouldnt bring you any happiness? Just so I understand you, your saying that being a mountain climbing enthusiast, you wouldnt enjoy the opportunity to climb K2 or Mont Blanc??

 

[sonnythebull]

You're watering down your statement to say "money can be used to acheive one's goals". It's not at all the same as "money equals success". There will always be failures in the face of boatloads of money.



Again you're watering down your statement; "money equals happiness". The you say "well, not money itself but the things it can do for you". And now "If you have no money you will be unhappy". This is like the person who has no water will be dead! Duh. That still doesn't mean water equals health!

Now it is true that without money it becomes almost impossible to get the things you may need to acheive happiness. But that is simply a statement on the structure of society than anything to do about money itself. Money is an indispensible tool for the health of society. Does that mean that before currency was invented, everyone was miserable? Of course not. They used all the other tools at their disposal, tools we still have available to us now. Money is needed to get by at all in life, and that's by design. It's still a very far cry from money equals happiness.

It's always a good thing to be very precise about what we mean, and in particular on a subject such as this it's incredibly important to avoid suggesting that money equals happiness. They are related for sure, and yes, money CAN buy happiness, but they are not intrinsically linked.

Of course before money people were miserable . Life was hard. All day was spent just avoiding being robbed, killed or eaten while trying to get food and water. Then you had to build your own place make your own clothes, furniture tools and on and on.. You are not a smart person

 

[Jayv]

Lazy and unambitous? Don't care? Not worth it? Either way uprooting your family for some more money isn't worth it, if it's many times more money than I'm sure the scenario would change

It comes down to more money or a better standard of life for my family.

 

[Moreno636]

You're watering down your statement to say "money can be used to acheive one's goals". It's not at all the same as "money equals success". There will always be failures in the face of boatloads of money.



Again you're watering down your statement; "money equals happiness". The you say "well, not money itself but the things it can do for you". And now "If you have no money you will be unhappy". This is like the person who has no water will be dead! Duh. That still doesn't mean water equals health!

Now it is true that without money it becomes almost impossible to get the things you may need to acheive happiness. But that is simply a statement on the structure of society rather than anything to do about money itself. Money is an indispensible tool for the health of modern society. Does that mean that before currency was invented, everyone was miserable? Of course not. They used all the other tools at their disposal, tools we still have available to us now. Money is needed to get by at all in life, and that's by design. It's still a very far cry from money equals happiness.

It's always a good thing to be very precise about what we mean, and in particular on a subject such as this it's incredibly important to avoid suggesting that money equals happiness. They are related for sure, and yes, money CAN buy happiness, but they are not intrinsically linked.

My first post

Money absolutely equals success. And this myth that money doesn't equal happiness also needs to be put to rest. We live in a world where the more money you have means the more freedom you have. The more freedom you have the happier you are.

Ok I guess I will have to go the ESL route.

Step1) NOTHING IN THIS WORLD IS GUARANTEED...ergo (that means there for) saying that Money does not guarantee happiness is a moot (which means meaningless) point.

Step 2) Having a lot of money means you have the access and opportunity to things such as better health care, better education, better housing, more opportunity to indulge in hobbies or personal enthusiasms. This means your life is better than someone's who doesnt have access to the things you do.

Go down to the local soup kitchen and ask them how many of them are happy and wouldn't trade their life for a millionaires.

This has always been my position.

 

[Jayv]

And your head is too. You love your Kids and wife and yet have over 6000 posts on this site. And how many on other time wasting message boards. The Internet and your computer costs money and is distracting you from what you supposedly love. You might revel in not working more but you might as well as you are wasting your life on the Internet. Oh yeah and those people you love so much and the joy of having kids is gonna be destroyed if you keep spending the evil money on dumauriers. Which by the way cost....wait for it....money

I will be cheering you own when you break the 1000 post mark.

0.54 a day, compared to my 2 a day.

Hyprocrite much?

 

[fastar1]

Of course before money people were miserable . Life was hard. All day was spent just avoiding being robbed, killed or eaten while trying to get food and water. Then you had to build your own place make your own clothes, furniture tools and on and on.. You are not a smart person

So when currency was invented, all that hardship stopped?

 

[daught]

OH FOR THE LAST DAMN TIME, how a person gets the money is not what we are discussing. Why cant you get that through your head???

So wait a minute are you actually saying that as a mountain climbing enthusiast, scaling Mont Blanc wouldnt bring you any happiness? Just so I understand you, your saying that being a mountain climbing enthusiast, you wouldnt enjoy the opportunity to climb K2 or Mont Blanc??

We are discussing happiness, which is a very complex thing. There are many factors in someone's life that contribute to happiness. You can't just look at how much a person has and say they are happy. You have to look at what they have to do and sacrifice to get that money. You also have to look at what makes them happy. Just because they can afford anything, that doesn't mean they are happy.

I would definitely enjoy scaling one of those, but what I am saying is that i would not work 10 hours a day and weekends just to get myself to K2 for a week.

 

[Moreno636]

We are discussing happiness, which is a very complex thing. There are many factors in someone's life that contribute to happiness. You can't just look at how much a person has and say they are happy. You have to look at what they have to do and sacrifice to get that money. You also have to look at what makes them happy. Just because they can afford anything, that doesn't mean they are happy.

I would definitely enjoy scaling one of those, but what I am saying is that i would not work 10 hours a day and weekends just to get myself to K2 for a week.

We are discussing how money can bring you happiness. With money (how a person gets it is not what we are discussing because that varies from person to person) you can scale K2 for a week without money you can't. Thats as simple as it gets.

 

[sonnythebull]

I will be cheering you own when you break the 1000 post mark.

0.54 a day, compared to my 2 a day.

Hyprocrite much?

I'm not blathering on about how I go home early to see my family and we don't understand that money isn't important but love and children are. Money doesn't bring happiness but mindless Internet crap and smoking do?Quit smoking and lay off the Internet garbage if family and children are so important to you.

 

[fastar1]

This has always been my position.

These are invalid and irrelevant statements.

"We live in a world where the more money you have means the more freedom you have. The more freedom you have the happier you are.
One can have more freedom and still be less happy. They are not intrinsically linked either. You have completely fallen for the myth of the American dream.

"Having a lot of money means you have the access and opportunity to things such as better health care, better education, better housing, more opportunity to indulge in hobbies or personal enthusiasms. This means your life is better than someone's who doesnt have access to the things you do."
Just for the sake of clarity, it's a bit confusing to compare two people's life situation as there can be a lot of variables between them. It's better to compare one person to his hypothetical richer or poorer self, in order to get a clearer picture of the impact of wealth on our lives.

So yes, my life is better with access to those things than my life would be without. Just like life is better with water than without, because it gives the ability to cook, clean, cool, lubricate, hydrate... whatever. That does not lead to water = health any more than money = happiness, which is the statement I am trying to get you to acknowledge is wrong. There is so much more to happiness than just money. This isn't hippy speak, it's really a pretty hard to avoid observation of life.

 

[daught]

We are discussing how money can bring you happiness. With money (how a person gets it is not what we are discussing because that varies from person to person) you can scale K2 for a week without money you can't. Thats as simple as it gets.

Alright, you are right, you won the argument. However your argument is only valid for the guy that wins 6/49 every week. Money NEVER comes on it's own.

 

[sonnythebull]

So when currency was invented, all that hardship stopped?

. Yes it started to go away as currency and civilization developed. Read up on history

 

[Moreno636]

These are invalid and irrelevant statements.

"We live in a world where the more money you have means the more freedom you have. The more freedom you have the happier you are.
One can have more freedom and still be less happy. They are not intrinsically linked either. You have completely fallen for the myth of the American dream.

Did you seriously say that freedom and happiness arent intrinsically linked?? Yeah I'm done discussing this with you Sonny was right.

 

[Moreno636]

Alright, you are right, you won the argument. However your argument is only valid for the guy that wins 6/49 every week. Money NEVER comes on it's own.

Your right, money doesnt come on its own...how a person gets it, the priorities they may have in order to acquire it, and what they feel is enough can vary as much as there are people on this planet. But the constant remains money.

 

[fastar1]

. Yes it started to go away as currency and civilization developed. Read up on history

You know, you do have some pretty good points. Sometimes. But AFAIK there is no historian who has, or ever could make a sweeping claim about people's happiness throughout the eras. And for anyone to think that happiness didn't exist before money... Wow!

 

[fastar1]

Did you seriously say that freedom and happiness arent intrinsically linked?? Yeah I'm done discussing this with you Sonny was right.[/COLOR]

LOL of course they're not!

Yeah, I think this is a good time to for me to just back away slowly.

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