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Re: Thank you all - shop closing - pannon moto sports inc.

daught said:
OHIP coverage is not like citizenship. You have to be in Ontario half the year to be eligible for it. Otherwise you have to be in ON for three months to get OHIP back.
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yup, I paid for 3 months of insurance when I came back which my employer reimbursed. I think it was $700......no big deal. Don't even know if they know you are gone to be honest.
 
Money does not equal success. However, it can be a measure of success. That's about it. Money does not equal happiness either. Nor do the things that you can buy with money. Money and things are just short term satisfiers. There's a lot more to life than money and things. What might be important to one might not be important to another. You could be successful in one area and a total failure in another or everything else.
 
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knowledge said:
I just don't get how Moreno finds it so hard to adapt a "to each; their own" mantra about happiness. I'm in the same camp as him, but I can understand how other people are happier without it/with way less. If he can't accept your example about Mother Teresa, I don't think there's much else that you can say. lol
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No, money = happiness is untrue for almost everyone. Anyone who really believes that will never spend any money for anything other than the bare essentials.

It's an oversimplified expression of the very high level of importance some people assign to money, and those who accept it as an accurate representation of their values -probably tens of millions of people- will find themselves much less successful at acheiving happiness than those who recognise that money is simply a (very important) means to an end, and not an end in itself.
 
the confusion lies in the misconception of money equating to happiness. So if you have no money will you be happy? Than what's the opposite of that? Of course money will bring you happiness because you can buy the things you wanted. But how long will that happiness last and the quantity of money differentiates from person to person. Again money is just one factor of happiness. When you get long lasting happiness out of the amount of money you're satisfied with and that's where you get success which is the everlasting happiness.
 
sonnythebull said:
Eurozone is teetering on bankruptcy due to the lifestyle. Watch The news.
As for the joes you mention with Millions in the bank and they collect EI...total idiots. Although I highly doubt they have millions in the bank. Lotta people talk crap
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I can say 100% that these guys have millions, lowest net worth is 3 mill, the others 5 mill plus.

They do seasonal type of jobs, there not great jobs, lots of outdoor, hard, manual type of work but thats there lifestyle, when there not at work, they are at the hunt camp, fishing, out RV'ng etc.. these folks are all in there 50's

you drive by some of these 1 or no stoplight towns and think how poor people are when there is more $$ up north then in large cities in the GTA.

Eurozone maybe in trouble, and yes i do watch the news, your the one missing the point.

The only difference between the EU and Canada is time-- we will be teetering on the edge very soon, give it a few years.

EU has countries in debt in Canada its personal debt that will bring us down.

To each his own, is the real answer to this thread, its all about lifestyle choices, the 2 biggest ones are getting married and having kids

Some people choose to be single and live it up, other choose to get married-- no right answer, whatever makes you happy

same with kids, people have 3 kids and thats a huge financial burden, folks may decide to live a more meager lifestyle and have kids because it makes them happy, others will choose to not have kids and live a much more high end lifestyle-- no right answer, its what ever makes you happy.

Just like the guy making 30K a year might be happy and still have money, while the dude pulling down 100k is net negative at year end due to his lifestyle
 
knowledge said:
I just don't get how Moreno finds it so hard to adapt a "to each; their own" mantra about happiness. I'm in the same camp as him, but I can understand how other people are happier without it/with way less. If he can't accept your example about Mother Teresa, I don't think there's much else that you can say. lol
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Because it has nothing to do with each their own when it comes to this. Its absolutely retarded to think that without money you can be happy. Its absolutely retarded to think that money doesnt give you freedom. And more than anything how can someone believe that freedom and happiness arent intrinsically linked? I mean how is this even a discussion?
 
Moreno636 said:
Because it has nothing to do with each their own when it comes to this. Its absolutely retarded to think that without money you can be happy. Its absolutely retarded to think that money doesnt give you freedom. And more than anything how can someone believe that freedom and happiness arent intrinsically linked? I mean how is this even a discussion?
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Why do I and countless others teach new riders how to ride bikes every weekend in the gta? Why do you Moreno give up your valuable time to marshall at track days?



It surely can't be just for the money, cause if it was I would be better off delivering pizzas on a Saturday night.
 
You need money, relationships, family, personal growth, recreation, etc, but too much or too little of one thing will upset the balance causing you stress and unhappiness. As long as you have your health, there's no reason why you can't be successful. I know people who make at least $5 million plus per year that cheat their customers, partners and investors, have alcohol, drug and gambling additions, have more enemies than friends, dysfunctional families, etc - they are not happy campers, but they have money and nice things and lots of free-loading friends and high maintenance, incompetent and dependent family members. Is that success? Not in my opinion.

In my opinion, you need to have a long term plan, goals and timelines that consistently provide a challenge and challenge your full potential and growth. It's doing, failing or succeeding, learning and doing better the next time. Only then, can you recognize your successes and failures and only then will you be able to judge whether you are successful or not. Only you can measure your success. Only you know what you are capable. Perhaps you successfully passed an exam with a 65, but were capable of passing with a 95. It doesn't only apply to your career, but every other aspect of your life.
 
promac said:
You need money, relationships, family, personal growth, recreation, etc, but too much or too little of one thing will upset the balance causing you stress and unhappiness. As long as you have your health, there's no reason why you can't be successful. I know people who make at least $5 million plus per year that cheat their customers, partners and investors, have alcohol, drug and gambling additions, have more enemies than friends, dysfunctional families, etc - they are not happy campers, but they have money and nice things and lots of free-loading friends and high maintenance, incompetent and dependent family members. Is that success? Not in my opinion.
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It's success if they're happy everlasting until they die. The drugs, alcohol and gambling feeds their temporary happiness from everyday stress that they may endure. We may see their lifestyle as evil backstabbing family members etc... but it's all dependent on what the individual views it as.

...Only you can measure your success.....
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Exactly what I've pointed above success can only be measured by the individual. Just because it doesn't make you happy doesn't mean it should make the individual happy. Doesn't it sound like your teenage kids?
 
I don't think that money = happiness.

I think that money is more of a catalyst and it's only one of many factors that contributes to your overall happiness. Further, every person's combination and weighting of factors will be different.

How does it contribute to your happiness? Every person has a certain take home amount that would make it so they don't have to worry about money. The bills will be paid, food will be on the table and maybe a bit extra to save up for a rainy day or for fun things. That magic number will change from one person to the next but the over/under effects are the same. If you make under that magic number then that can lead to a lot of stress and worry about making ends meet. It's hard to enjoy life with that hanging over your head. I've been there.

I tried to stay in London after graduating but the job market here sucked, and still does. I moved to Hamilton for work and shortly after was miserable. All my friends were either in London or at the race track..... but i was making decent $. After 6 months at that job I started looking for work in London again. It took another two years of job hunting to get a job back here and I moved back to London a year ago. I took an 18% pay cut to move here but with the OT i've been working I'm pretty close to where i was. I don't work OT because I'm a work-aholic.. i work OT because if i don't I end up being below that magic number.

So... yah.
 
It has a lot to do with a persons expectations and their perception of their life situation. If your expectations are reasonable you're more likely to recognize that the glass is half full instead of half empty. My brother is like that - doesn't get paid what he's worth, has to do without this, that and the other thing, etc. As such, although most anyone would be happy with a third of the money he makes and the nice things he has, it's never good enough or enough for him - he's never happy or thankful for what he's got, just stressed with an outrageous sense of entitlement and unrealistic expectations, very envious and jealous of what others have. So sad! He has so much to be thankful for.

A belief that money = happiness may be a warning sign.
 
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Re: Thank you all - shop closing - pannon moto sports inc.

murf said:
ifiddles said:
What in this thread would suggest we talk about brand new teachers? This thread is about people making 100k. A teacher is at the top pay after what..... 5 years, or is it 7?
Please show me in your collective agreement where it states how many hours you should be working?
I worked with a manager at GM that went back to teachers college even though she was making $125K........it's tough to beat $83K, summers off, great pension and to top it off be in a union.

So they start at $48k, so they get $5000 a year raise they max out.....that's a pretty big % raise every year isn't it?

Sweet gig in Canada, considering other European countries require up to 5 years of teacher education, not one year like here.
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actually, it takes 12 years to top out and that's after getting to A4 which for most teachers, means taking additional courses after they've done their 4 year undergrad and 1 year teacher education...so let's see, that's 5 years university plus night school for at least 2 years since you can only do 3 courses per year max...

as for the hours in our contract, you're right, it only states the school hours, but as another gentleman so kindly said about his fiance, we often go in early, stay late and take work home...there is a lot that needs to be done that you can't do with the kids in class...

and the raise, so yeah we get $5000 a year (for now that is) but after taxes, increased LTD payments and increased pension payments, we're lucky to take half of that home...

i laugh every time i see someone in a store with one or two kids of their own and they cannot control them whatsoever in the least because i think to myself, i'd like to see them try it with 20+ on a daily basis for 10 months...

i too was a manager (mutual funds) and have held many other high paying corporate jobs before i went back to teacher's college and i can honestly say, i've never worked harder in my life...now having said that, i've never had as much joy or reward at the end of a school year as i did in my previous careers...

like i said before, go volunteer in a school and then stay with the teacher until they leave and even go home with them to see how much more they do there before making comments such as these...the old adage stands, don't judge a person until you've walked a mile in their shoes...
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Re: Thank you all - shop closing - pannon moto sports inc.

ZX600 said:
if a teacher has never teached a class/subject, meaning they dont have the lessons, the exams, the exercises, it is impossible to only work the assigned hrs.you sir are ignorant on this matter and should educate yourself on it before opening your mouth and offering an opinion.Go meet a teacher or read about it, don't just talk out of your *** and be hopeful your kids don't end up with a teacher that only works his schedule....or that you never have kids, that's my hope
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thank you so much ZX600...i wish more people felt like you do...
 
Moreno636 said:
Because it has nothing to do with each their own when it comes to this. Its absolutely retarded to think that without money you can be happy. Its absolutely retarded to think that money doesnt give you freedom. And more than anything how can someone believe that freedom and happiness arent intrinsically linked? I mean how is this even a discussion?
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LOL freedom is the hardest thing to get in this world. If you think money equals freedom then you truly are foolish. You are confusing happiness and freedom with instant gratification.
 
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