Money = Success? Moved from Pannon Thread

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[Roasted]

Let's be real here.....you need a minimal amount of cash flow to support your basic needs and a bit of an entertainment fund. If you have less than this, than yes, this can cause unhappiness but after that? Meh, I rather have more free time than more money. Is driving a Ferrari VS a Civic going to make me that much happier? Sure.....for a couple of days till the novelty wears off. After that it's all the same.

 

[mma01]

LOL freedom is the hardest thing to get in this world. If you think money equals freedom then you truly are foolish. You are confusing happiness and freedom with instant gratification.

My older sister and her husband were financially secure enough to retire at age 36. They dont live like rockstars, but they get to be full time parents to their daughter and travel every month. Sounds like money resulted in a fair amount of freedom to me.

 

[promac]

Let's be real here.....you need a minimal amount of cash flow to support your basic needs and a bit of an entertainment fund. If you have less than this, than yes, this can cause unhappiness but after that? Meh, I rather have more free time than more money. Is driving a Ferrari VS a Civic going to make me that much happier? Sure.....for a couple of days till the novelty wears off. After that it's all the same.

If it drives, flies, floats or ****s, it's cheaper to rent!

 

[promac]

My older sister and her husband were financially secure enough to retire at age 36. They dont live like rockstars, but they get to be full time parents to their daughter and travel every month. Sounds like money resulted in a fair amount of freedom to me.

Perhaps, but at what cost? Obviously they gave up a fair bit of their time and made due with less, unless they inherited the money or won the lotto. If you average it all out, it works out to be the same. But then again, perhaps they missed a lot of opportunities to do things they may be unable to do now - regrets...........mid-life crisis stuff.

 

[mma01]

Perhaps, but at what cost? Obviously they gave up a fair bit of their time and made due with less, unless they inherited the money or won the lotto. If you average it all out, it works out to be the same. But then again, perhaps they missed a lot of opportunities to do things they may be unable to do now - regrets...........mid-life crisis stuff.

They were entrepreneurs who enjoyed what they did, worked hard and were lucky in terms of market timing. I dont think they gave up anything in terms of work/life balance compared to anyone doing a 9-5 job.

Many people in the "money does not equal happiness camp" seem to assumes that you have to give up your soul and work 7 days a week to make a lot of money. In some cases yes. But in other cases, its a combination of finding your niche, working smarter and of course, luck.

 

[knowledge]

We'll buy our way out of jail, but we can't buy freedom
We'll buy a lot of clothes when we don't really need em
Things we buy to cover up what's inside
Cause they make us hate ourself and love their wealth

Couldn't afford a car, so I'll name my daughter Alexus

 

[jolomatic]

Couldn't afford a car, so I'll name my daughter Alexus

I had a neighbor who did exactly that.
I hope he didn't notice me cringe when he told me why they chose that name (I had thought it was a nice name until that point).

 

[murf]

Re: Thank you all - shop closing - pannon moto sports inc.

actually, it takes 12 years to top out and that's after getting to A4 which for most teachers, means taking additional courses after they've done their 4 year undergrad and 1 year teacher education...so let's see, that's 5 years university plus night school for at least 2 years since you can only do 3 courses per year max...

as for the hours in our contract, you're right, it only states the school hours, but as another gentleman so kindly said about his fiance, we often go in early, stay late and take work home...there is a lot that needs to be done that you can't do with the kids in class...

and the raise, so yeah we get $5000 a year (for now that is) but after taxes, increased LTD payments and increased pension payments, we're lucky to take half of that home...

i laugh every time i see someone in a store with one or two kids of their own and they cannot control them whatsoever in the least because i think to myself, i'd like to see them try it with 20+ on a daily basis for 10 months...

i too was a manager (mutual funds) and have held many other high paying corporate jobs before i went back to teacher's college and i can honestly say, i've never worked harder in my life...now having said that, i've never had as much joy or reward at the end of a school year as i did in my previous careers...

l..

This whole thing came up because I mentioned teaching as a job that pays $83000 and when you take into account the benefits, pension, and summers it's a $100K job........especially to those people on here that have jobs with just a salary.

Is that incorrect?

Then there are the teachers mentioning things like extra training that is needed.......is that not normal in today's society......to keep up with training and improve? Is this unique somehow, cause I got my Masters degree while working as an engineer and it's not all that unique.

Then there is the talk of working extra hours.....many jobs work extra hours, and if you don't you get fired......if a teacher works the hours specified in the collective agreement do they get fired? I had teachers that did the minimum and nothing happened. Since Im talking about teachers at the top pay bracket that would also mean they have experience and are more likely to have their material ready......is it safe to assume they will work less hours than a junior teacher? Are the bottom 10% performing teachers fired on a regular basis as they are in private sector companies where professionals are not protected by unions? I must ask why does a profession such as teaching need a union in the first place?

I have a family member that got into a university program that combined a Bachelors of Arts with a teachers certificate.......he flunked out of the combined program and got his BA. Finally got a contract job at an auto company, couldn't stand it so he went back to teachers college. Is that normal for teachers college requirements?

Today's Toronto Star - Front page Headline " Bad Trachers, Ontarios Secret List". All I can say is wow!! How does a teacher stay in good standing at the schoolboard after sexual harrasment???????? Ryan Geekie, have u heard of him??

 

[crankcall]

Re: Thank you all - shop closing - pannon moto sports inc.

this thread is actually pretty silly, since EVERYBODY will have a different idea of what is successful, and what is an acceptable investment of time for compensation and how much money you need.
Timing is half skill and half luck and accounts for the fortunes of many, you get an inheiritance, own a pc of property that is suddenly commercially viable, be the guy that invented Trivial Pursuit........
Very rich dentists and rock stars kill themselves, not usually because the money makes them happy.

Somewhere there is somebody that is happy, feels they earn enough money, and doesn't even have the interweb to enjoy this thread.

 

[psycho44]

it be nice to have paid 90 minute breaks or 2 courses break whatever that amounts to and the entire summer off. Surprised no one mentions the University professors that makes millions by teaching couple lecture courses and having teacher assisstants to do the grading and what not. And students blame the government for the tuition hikes. But the ultimate success is to retire early at a young age.

 

[crankcall]

But the ultimate success is to retire early at a young age.

But thats your idea of success, I like my work, but I'm in a very unique position. I make a very nice living but I dont work 8hrs a day to get it, I get to work smart not hard.
money won't make you happy, it will make being miserable more tolerable. Money doesnt = success= happiness for me, but I know i would be far from happy without as much as i have.
Could i live without travel, cars,bikes, boats, nice home? sure, but now that I have it, i'd miss it.

 

[KawasakiGal]

+1 agree completely to this!! Same I could live without it but do I want to know that I have it? Not really!

But thats your idea of success, I like my work, but I'm in a very unique position. I make a very nice living but I dont work 8hrs a day to get it, I get to work smart not hard.
money won't make you happy, it will make being miserable more tolerable. Money doesnt = success= happiness for me, but I know i would be far from happy without as much as i have.
Could i live without travel, cars,bikes, boats, nice home? sure, but now that I have it, i'd miss it.

 

[promac]

They were entrepreneurs who enjoyed what they did, worked hard and were lucky in terms of market timing. I dont think they gave up anything in terms of work/life balance compared to anyone doing a 9-5 job.

Many people in the "money does not equal happiness camp" seem to assumes that you have to give up your soul and work 7 days a week to make a lot of money. In some cases yes. But in other cases, its a combination of finding your niche, working smarter and of course, luck.

Well, there you go.........money was merely a by-product of doing something that really made them happy. You don't always have to give up your soul to make a lot of money. If you really enjoy what you do and you happen to make a lot of money at the same time, that's great. Other people aren't so lucky, but they love doing what they do and they're happy. The rest sacrifice their happiness chasing dollars and material things to compensate for it.

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