Money = Success? Moved from Pannon Thread

When it comes to being rich, I don't think it's necessarily the money that makes people happy - it's the contrast to life that it brings. The people that I know who have been well-off their whole life aren't that much happier when they're rich and loaded. The ones who were never too well-off have a field day when they make it. They just tend to appreciate it more.
 
sonnythebull said:
Well doubt you know rich folk. You know folks who have some money and are burdened by it or would be miserable regardless of money. If you define your life by need then you don't want anything and all you need is a roof,bread and water and a hole to **** in. You don't need a wife or children either but you want them. You cant grow food year round really. It's a pain n the *** and time consuming, our ancestors spent their whole waking day just trying to feed themselves,who wants to live like that.You agree that money will help with medical issues and you say money can't buy you love ( true) but if you love people you want the best for them and the best is only got by having the money to buy the best. In your case the best may be only the best medical care. In others case the best is medical care and all the other things. And yes I would say the vacations are better when you stay in exceptional places.look up jade mountain hotel in st Lucia, W hotel in the Maldives, Capella hotel Cabo San Lucas, blancaneaux lodge Belize, st Regis hotel bora bora, canaves oia santorini, sabi sabi lodge Africa, and on and on However some people even with tons of money can enjoy the Sheridan too but I think they are crazy!
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Meh, for myself, my $200 tent on the peak of a mountain is much more exceptional than any $2000 hotel. For the places I like to go to and the things I like to see, piles of money won't make a difference. I don't need a butler to cook my mountain house.

Having a lot of money does not guarantee financial security. Most people with a lot of money also have a lot of spendings. Any disruption in income can be just as devastating as it is to the average guy. They sweat just as much in a recession. People that want more, will never have enough. That 50" boat will only be good for a year. Then they will want a chopper on it. If you need money to be happy to begin with, you will never be truly satisfied. I have no doubt that making that kind of money requires non stop work and focus. sonnythebull, how many hours do you work in a week? Are you ever on the phone after 5PM?

Freestyle72 said:
Bro in Toronto clubs, money is the only thing that buys you "love"
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LOL
 
daught said:
Meh, for myself, my $200 tent on the peak of a mountain is much more exceptional than any $2000 hotel. For the places I like to go to and the things I like to see, piles of money won't make a difference. I don't need a butler to cook my mountain house.

Having a lot of money does not guarantee financial security. Most people with a lot of money also have a lot of spendings. Any disruption in income can be just as devastating as it is to the average guy. They sweat just as much in a recession. People that want more, will never have enough. That 50" boat will only be good for a year. Then they will want a chopper on it. If you need money to be happy to begin with, you will never be truly satisfied. I have no doubt that making that kind of money requires non stop work and focus. sonnythebull, how many hours do you work in a week? Are you ever on the phone after 5PM?


LOL
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Right cuz, getting to the peak of a mountain is cheap right?
 
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sonnythebull said:
Guess you are referring to when I wanted to give away money on my birthday? It seems the longer this discussion goes on the more I see a little underlying anger and envy in your personality, please don't take that the wrong way:lol:
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You made a post a few days before your birthday about getting suggestions to donate some money on your birthday. In the end, the Burlington Humane Society got some much needed cash to help pay for supplies. I fail to see the down side.
 
Moreno636 said:
Right cuz, getting to the peak of a mountain is cheap right?
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I don't need a lambo to get there. And getting up there comes down to my ability to hike and climb. Money wont give me that. I am ten times more proud of those abilities than my bank account.
 
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Moreno636 said:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/jan/28/suicide-rate-on-rise

"Sadly this increase in suicide is not unexpected," said Professor Rory O'Connor of Stirling University's suicidal behaviour research group, "given that we know there's a relationship between past recessions and an increase in suicides."As more people lose their jobs there's an increased risk of [further] suicides. As well as the financial implications, there's added stress on families and relationships, as well as the loss of social networks to support people.


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10576847

The reasons people come in vary, but the most common theme is money and job security. There are people who have lost their jobs and people who are worried about losing their jobs.
"The recession has absolutely made an impact on the number of people coming to see us, and I feel we might see even more over the next three or four months, unfortunately."


http://psychcentral.com/blog/archiv...ssed-than-poor-and-other-depression-factoids/


Depression and Socioeconomic Status

According to a 2009 Gallup survey, the rate of depression is nearly twice as high for Americans making less than $24,000 a year than it is for those with annual incomes above $60,000. So I guess all writers are depressed?
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Hahaha, nice find.

That only strengthens my beliefs further
 
daught said:
I don't need a lambo to get there. And getting up there comes down to my ability to hike and climb. Money wont give me that. I am ten times more proud of those abilities than my bank account.
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How'd you get to the mountain? Walk? And why arent you there right now?
 
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RockerGuy said:
Hahaha, nice find.

That only strengthens my beliefs further
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This notion that money doesnt buy happiness is a simplistic cliche thats sounds like it came out of a Hallmark card. It has no basis in actual facts.
 
Moreno636 said:
First we need to stop with these anecdotal examples "I know so and so and he/she is whatever" these are meaningless when it comes to an abstract topic such as this. For every anecdotal example you can give I can give one that is the opposite. Mother Teresa had a convection to help the needy. Rich or poor she would be doing this. You have no idea if she would have been a failure if she was rich, that's an assumption on your part.
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In her own words; "I try to give to the poor people for love what the rich could get for money. No, I wouldn't touch a leper for a thousand pounds; yet I willingly cure him for the love of God."
And: "Our life of poverty is as necessary as the work itself. Only in heaven will we see how much we owe to the poor for helping us to love God better because of them."

Since you categorically claim that money equals success, as if you are speaking for everyone, then I only need one example to disprove it.

Secondly, of course money in and of itself doesnt bring you happiness. It's just a piece of paper or numbers on your computer screen. This is again an obvious point and not worth discussing.
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"Of course"? It's not that obvious. I have spoken to a few people who tell me they love money itself. Of course I don't believe them, they are just lazy thinkers. They bought into the shorthand expression "money equals happiness" as if that were the end of the story. It's not hard to find hardworking, miserable rich people. So it's a misleading trope that really needs to be discarded. The reality is more along the lines of money being a tool amongst many that can be used to acheive happiness. For most people it might be the single most effective tool, but there are other powerful tools available too like discovery, development, experimenting, organising. These get overlooked. However, the untold prerequisite to make use of any of these is that people have to know what makes them happy! In my experience there are far too many who still don't know what that is. They haven't even bother to ask themselves the question because they are too busy trying to get money.

Money equals happiness is as true as saying that water equals health. We are after all 75% water and it's what we consume the most of every day, and we die faster from lack of water than lack of food. But try it and see how healthy you get by only drinking water.
 
Moreno636 said:
Money absolutely equals success. And this myth that money doesn't equal happiness also needs to be put to rest. We live in a world where the more money you have means the more freedom you have. The more freedom you have the happier you are.
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I was arguing against the whole MORE money equals MORE happiness. In my endeavors money plays a small role. Past a certain point more money would't give me more happiness because they can't buy some experiences. In regards to freedom I have met quite a few low income people that decided to travel around the world for over a year. They seemed to be the happiest people I have met. I doubt the rich guy that has to pay for all his toys can just pack it for a year.
 
daught said:
Meh, for myself, my $200 tent on the peak of a mountain is much more exceptional than any $2000 hotel. For the places I like to go to and the things I like to see, piles of money won't make a difference. I don't need a butler to cook my mountain house.

Having a lot of money does not guarantee financial security. Most people with a lot of money also have a lot of spendings. Any disruption in income can be just as devastating as it is to the average guy. They sweat just as much in a recession. People that want more, will never have enough. That 50" boat will only be good for a year. Then they will want a chopper on it. If you need money to be happy to begin with, you will never be truly satisfied. I have no doubt that making that kind of money requires non stop work and focus. sonnythebull, how many hours do you work in a week? Are you ever on the phone after 5PM?


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The trip up the mountains wasn't free. It cost money. And how many hours I work or how much I'm on the phone is irrelevant. This is about security and peace of mind. However if you knew how many hours I work you would be shocked. People never ask how many hours the people I employ work. Maybe that's a better question.
 
daught said:
I was arguing against the whole MORE money equals MORE happiness. In my endeavors money plays a small role. Past a certain point more money would't give me more happiness because they can't buy some experiences. In regards to freedom I have met quite a few low income people that decided to travel around the world for over a year. They seemed to be the happiest people I have met. I doubt the rich guy that has to pay for all his toys can just pack it for a year.
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Do you doubt that?then he isn't rich is he? He is burdened by his stuff. 2 different things
 
sonnythebull said:
May I also add money buys you time which nothing else can do. For example...if I spend x hours a week doing chores, cleaning my house, shopping for groceries, doing laundry, whatever necessary things to live I can't do things I enjoy or spend quality time with people I love during that time. When i Pay someone to take all that work away from me I have gained many hours a year to actually live. Therefore my enjoyable part of life is longer.
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I think it's relevant because you claimed money buys you time. Do you have to work long hours and be on the phone afterwards to pay for that maid? I was currious if you really have more time.
 
Ah well i work long hours for my money. And it makes me really happy when I spend it on myself and the people I love. And the more I make the happier I feel, go figure.
 
daught said:
I think it's relevant because you claimed money buys you time. Do you have to work long hours and be on the phone afterwards to pay for that maid? I was currious if you really have more time.
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Yes...tons of it. Add up how much time you spend running your life.
 
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