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Local Auto Thefts
- Thread starter raginduck
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Some vehicles have the stuff. It's mostly a fluff piece by media. They argue that tilt sensors stop theft by tow-truck. a) no they don't it would just drive away with the alarm going and b) tilt sensors have a threshold where if you lift them high enough, they know they are being towed and turn off the alarm. Intrusion sensors are available on some vehicles. I borrowed a buddies F150 and my kids set it off. Double lock to prevent the door unlocking after you smash a window? Hmm. How would I ever get in after a window is removed? Imo, that does little against theft but really screws you if you lock yourself out. That makes it quite hard to break in without damage.
Just had Tag Trackers added to my F150. Cost was $335. Insurance would jump by $500 per year without them. So it was a no brainer. I think 4 or 5 were hidden somewhere in the truck. I have no idea where and they wouldn't tell me. Speedy Glass in Richmond Hill did the work. Clean, fast professional and it took 3 weeks to get an appointment because they have so many to do.
While I have no argument with your financial evaluation and chosen path, as with most systems, the Tag system advertisements are a pile of horse puckey mixed in with a little truth. For instance, "Tag Tracking’s unique anti-jamming technology is combined with a highly robust and secure communication protocol for maximum reliability". Umm. That is complete crap. Fill the spectrum with noise and there is no way to get a usable signal out. Secure protocols make reliability worse by adding another layer of crap to go wrong.
They also strongly push the "discrete" labeling on the window and talk about how the barely visible marking deters most thieves. Discrete and deterrent are almost opposites. 99.82% deterrence rate. Wtf. I guess that means 0.18% of vehicles with tag systems are stolen during some time period? How is that compared to the theft rate of the same vehicles without the system?
How long does the system last? It appears to have a lifetime baked in. Is there an ongoing fee or just one up front? They are apparently RFID tags which normally have a ridiculously short range. What is the receiver end of the system?
While bollards for theft are hard to justify, they make sense in some situations. This poor house is at a T intersection and has had three vehicles crash into them. Dealing with car and home insurance every time your stuff is destroyed has got to be draining. I wonder if home insurance will cancel them for too many claims?
Man in hospital after video captures car slamming into home in Scarborough
A man in his 20s is in hospital with critical injuries after the car he was driving plowed into a home in Scarborough early Friday in a dramatic collision that was caught on video.
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Auto theft probe leads to arrest of 59 suspects, recovery of more than 300 stolen vehicles: Toronto police
Toronto police say 59 suspects are facing a total of 300 charges in connection with an auto theft and re-vinning probe.
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I also had TAG installed earlier this year, alongside few other security products on the same vehicle.
Battery life is approximately 5 years after which you will need to take it in to get it replaced. It is in a passive state until awakened by signal sent out by TAG once you contact them with a police report. No idea about the receiver. I was under the impression it operates on a WAN network similar to air tags.
Like installing alarms in the days of yore if the insurance savings is enough to cover the cost in a year or two it is a win. Did the alarms really stop theft??? Non-zero impact yes, how much is debatable.
In practice, the police are not known to respond quickly so the vehicle may be in a container (Faraday cage) before you get a police report to activate them. Also, where people had "airtags" and tracked down their vehicle the police don't seem to go there in any hurry, at least from many reports.
In practice, the police are not known to respond quickly so the vehicle may be in a container (Faraday cage) before you get a police report to activate them. Also, where people had "airtags" and tracked down their vehicle the police don't seem to go there in any hurry, at least from many reports.
The receiver end of air tags is every apple phone. They don't directly connect to a network but they have a huge army of receivers wandering around. The receiver end of Tiles is any phone running the tile app. Given the battery life of the tag trackers, I suspect it is either passive or listen only most of the time. Now, maybe they are trying for enough penetration that the tags create their own wan? Pretty battery hungry though.
They are very light on details available which is a little silly. If I was a criminal, I would just pay the $350 to get a car instrumented and then tear it apart. That would both show me the entire system and where the local installers are putting the tags. Bonus points if they thought ahead and took in a filthy car and/or one with hidden cameras (or even recorded audio which is easy to hide). Makes it much easier to find the locations used.
I suspect they don't want to publicize much information as it is embarrassing. They got the marketing to get acceptance and a buy in from the insurance companies, they don't want any facts to get in the way of that path to riches.
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Thankfully these guys are lazy and not as smart as you when it comes these things lol.
It may be worth while to find them for VIN swappers that sell back to "local" markets. For the guys shipping overseas, they won't do diddly in the container and so what if they now know the vehicle is in XYZ country overseas afterwards--if they even work there...
One of the few pieces of real information that tag trackers actually provides is once outside of NA, their system doesn't help you.
I have a Kia Telluride, not sold overseas, not a popular car for thieves, so relatively safe compared to being a Highlander owner.
Security devices and new legislation aside, the criminal justice system, including courtroom capacity, number of judges, number of prosecutors, jail and prison cell spaces is such that delays are common, plea deals are the norm due to trial capacity issues, jail space is limited so where would the guilty go even if convicted. That's why the charged are released virtually immediately on bail, there is no space to house them even if bail was denied.
The criminal justice system is a mess. The civil courts are a mess. Sue someone for damages and you'll be waiting years to get to court, 6+ months for a judgement and then you have to fight for court ordered payment of damages to actually take place. Justice delayed is justice denied.
This is another provincial system that does not work. Yet........ Dougie is going to be giving us $3.2 Billion in the New Year to buy another term when the election is called early. You have to ask yourself what this $3.2 Billion could be used for that would actually make life better for the people. New CT scanners, more hip joint surgeries, more judges to sit in court. More jail cells to hold criminals?
Security devices and new legislation aside, the criminal justice system, including courtroom capacity, number of judges, number of prosecutors, jail and prison cell spaces is such that delays are common, plea deals are the norm due to trial capacity issues, jail space is limited so where would the guilty go even if convicted. That's why the charged are released virtually immediately on bail, there is no space to house them even if bail was denied.
The criminal justice system is a mess. The civil courts are a mess. Sue someone for damages and you'll be waiting years to get to court, 6+ months for a judgement and then you have to fight for court ordered payment of damages to actually take place. Justice delayed is justice denied.
This is another provincial system that does not work. Yet........ Dougie is going to be giving us $3.2 Billion in the New Year to buy another term when the election is called early. You have to ask yourself what this $3.2 Billion could be used for that would actually make life better for the people. New CT scanners, more hip joint surgeries, more judges to sit in court. More jail cells to hold criminals?
This will never stop. One group is stopped, and another will take it's place. No wonder it's so easy when dirty SO members are included in the game.
www.therecord.com
Toronto police recover over 350 cars in auto-theft probe, allege ServiceOntario workers were involved in fake VIN scheme
The results of the investigation will be shared by Chief Myron Demkiw and Supt. Ron Taverner.
www.therecord.com
Provincial announcement today that increased penalties for false registration substantially (not sure if immediate or pending legislation). Still doesn't stop everything but a big enough hammer makes some people reconsider their side hustle.This will never stop. One group is stopped, and another will take it's place. No wonder it's so easy when dirty SO members are included in the game.
Toronto police recover over 350 cars in auto-theft probe, allege ServiceOntario workers were involved in fake VIN scheme
The results of the investigation will be shared by Chief Myron Demkiw and Supt. Ron Taverner.
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Stolen vehicle registration schemes in Ontario and the stiff penalties proposed | Globalnews.ca
With 'reVINing' a growing issue in the province, the Ford government is expected to table legislation to make it harder to re-register a stolen vehicle through ServiceOntario.
globalnews.ca
Ontario to create new offence aimed at vehicle identification number fraud
TORONTO — Ontario is planning to create a new provincial offence for fraudulent vehicle registrations as a way to tackle auto theft.
The other somewhat interesting demographic (that we will probably never hear) is how many SO crooks were in government run offices with high income, pensions and job security and how many were in agency stores with much lower income and no pensions. I suspect there is no great conspiracy, it will just be follow the money.
Shouldn’t you have gotten a $500 discount instead for installing them? Ya I know, not how it works yada yada lol
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