Is Tuition Really THAT Unreasonable in Ontario?

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backmarkerducati said:
Just imagine a utopian world where most of the college credits are accepted in university, and university credits at college (with the exception of some first year bridging courses...).
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What would separate College from University? The maths I took at College where nowhere near the level that they were in University. Do I need them in the real-world? Probably not. Do I need them for advanced (Masters, Ph.D.) education? Sure do!

Same goes for stress analysis. College gave me a good foundation to build on, but University took it to the next level.

I agree that making courses more equivalent would be ideal, but the idea behind College vs. University (at least my understanding) is that College teaches the practical side (here are the equations, here is when you use them) where-as the University teaches the theory, how equations were generated, and teaches the subject in far more depth. College teaches you cookie-cutter solutions to similar problems. University (attempts to) teach you the fundamentals so that you can solve non-cookie-cutter problems.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking a College diploma, it has its place. It provides a teaching style to those that can't learn in University.
 
No. It's not THAT unreasonable.

If you plan ahead it's really not that bad.

I worked and saved from the age of 12 and lived at home to save money despite not getting along with my parents that great. There were also many jobs available on campus that paid close to $20 per hour. I also chose a program with co-op so that would help, too.
 
EngineerJoe said:
I agree that making courses more equivalent would be ideal, but the idea behind College vs. University (at least my understanding) is that College teaches the practical side (here are the equations, here is when you use them) where-as the University teaches the theory, how equations were generated, and teaches the subject in far more depth. College teaches you cookie-cutter solutions to similar problems. University (attempts to) teach you the fundamentals so that you can solve non-cookie-cutter problems.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking a College diploma, it has its place. It provides a teaching style to those that can't learn in University.
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+1....I know a lot of people "know" that college is more practical and university is more theory...but I don't think it really hits home until you're writing an exam and pining for the days when your math had numbers in it.

At one point, the calculus I was doing didn't have anything but greek symbols in it. I pretty much had to learn the entire greek alphabet.
 
Flashmonkey said:
+1....I know a lot of people "know" that college is more practical and university is more theory...but I don't think it really hits home until you're writing an exam and pining for the days when your math had numbers in it.

At one point, the calculus I was doing didn't have anything but greek symbols in it. I pretty much had to learn the entire greek alphabet.
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Advanced Fluid Mechanics made me want to kill myself. My class average was 54%, I got 56% and felt like a rockstar.

LePlace Transforms and Gaussian Decomposition made me want to kill other people.
 
caboose483 said:
Advanced Fluid Mechanics made me want to kill myself. My class average was 54%, I got 56% and felt like a rockstar.

LePlace Transforms and Gaussian Decomposition made me want to kill other people.
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Yea that stuff got pretty nasty. I managed to score a pretty decent prof for my advanced course, though, so I came out pretty good there. The advanced "electrical fundamentals" course, however...I barely got out of there with my sanity intact. My final mark was 50% and seeing that mark was one of the happiest moments of my life LOL.

I totally bombed that exam and all of the worrying I did about having to repeat that course easily took 10 years off my life.
 
caboose483 said:
Advanced Fluid Mechanics made me want to kill myself. My class average was 54%, I got 56% and felt like a rockstar.

LePlace Transforms and Gaussian Decomposition made me want to kill other people.
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Number Theory and manual calculations of Algorithmic encryption principles made me want to strangle people that asked why I looked stressed all the time.

I know the "56% Rockstar" feeling as well lol
 
Flashmonkey said:
Yea that stuff got pretty nasty. I managed to score a pretty decent prof for my advanced course, though, so I came out pretty good there. The advanced "electrical fundamentals" course, however...I barely got out of there with my sanity intact. My final mark was 50% and seeing that mark was one of the happiest moments of my life LOL.

I totally bombed that exam and all of the worrying I did about having to repeat that course easily took 10 years off my life.
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Sounds a little like my Statics and Dynamics class. That guy was told to weed out 50% of the first year class and damned well did it. Two of us were exempt from the final, but had to write a test anyway to cover the last section of material. Class average was in the high 50s. By the end of it there was only one "A". They wanted to chuck me out a window :lol:
 
Rob MacLennan said:
Sounds a little like my Statics and Dynamics class. That guy was told to weed out 50% of the first year class and damned well did it. Two of us were exempt from the final, but had to write a test anyway to cover the last section of material. Class average was in the high 50s. By the end of it there was only one "A". They wanted to chuck me out a window :lol:
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Oh LOL....you were that guy eh? ;)
 
While not an engineer myself, I helped my brother with some of the math based stuff. Nasty nasty stuff. Hard to see him struggle sometimes.
 
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Rob MacLennan said:
Sounds a little like my Statics and Dynamics class. That guy was told to weed out 50% of the first year class and damned well did it. Two of us were exempt from the final, but had to write a test anyway to cover the last section of material. Class average was in the high 50s. By the end of it there was only one "A". They wanted to chuck me out a window :lol:
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Rob MacLennan said:
Well someone's gotta be :lol:
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In calculus and other calculus heavy courses I was most definitely NOT that guy. Fluid Mechanics, Heat Transfer, Statstics, leave me utterly useless.

Application based courses: Kinematics and Dyamics, Machine Dynamics, Thermodynamics, Statics, Mechanical Component Design.... I'm like Forrest Gump in those classes!

I can't do calc to save my life while other people can imagine a curve or even a surface just by looking at a formula. But then those same people don't realize they've done something wrong if they're solving a time analysis problem and their answer is negative.
 
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caboose483 said:
In calculus and other calculus heavy courses I was most definitely NOT that guy. Fluid Mechanics, Heat Transfer, Statstics, leave me utterly useless.

Application based courses: Kinematics and Dyamics, Machine Dynamics, Thermodynamics, Statics, Mechanical Component Design.... I'm like Forrest Gump in those classes!

I can't do calc to save my life while other people can imagine a curve or even a surface just by looking at a formula. But then those same people don't realize they've done something wrong if they're solving a time analysis problem and their answer is negative.
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In grade 13 I got 46% in statistics. Of course a goodly portion of that was likely due to the fact that I was working full time, to help support my family, and that class came at the end of the day. You don't get very good marks if you're rarely there. I believe that I was the highest mark in the class, in stats, in my first year of college. The secret was not to try and understand it; just do it.

On the other hand I worked everything out from First Principles, in every other math-based class, instead of memorizing shortcut formulae. Had a half hour argument with my chem instructor because I had skipped a step in calculating molecular mass, in a way that actually showed I understood the material. He docked me 5%.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
On the other hand I worked everything out from First Principles, in every other math-based class, instead of memorizing shortcut formulae. Had a half hour argument with my chem instructor because I had skipped a step in calculating molecular mass, in a way that actually showed I understood the material. He docked me 5%.
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Chefs don't like it when you change the recipe on them.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
In grade 13 I got 46% in statistics. Of course a goodly portion of that was likely due to the fact that I was working full time, to help support my family, and that class came at the end of the day. You don't get very good marks if you're rarely there. I believe that I was the highest mark in the class, in stats, in my first year of college. The secret was not to try and understand it; just do it.

On the other hand I worked everything out from First Principles, in every other math-based class, instead of memorizing shortcut formulae. Had a half hour argument with my chem instructor because I had skipped a step in calculating molecular mass, in a way that actually showed I understood the material. He docked me 5%.
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I passed my 3rd year Calc course on a technicality. On one of the term tests I only answered 3 out of 4 questions but the TA doing the grading never wrote down the "-10" for the question i never answered. So i got 76% on a test I only answered 75% of. Each test worth 10% overall, so each question worth 2.5% overall, and I ended up getting 50% in the course.

I also got full marks on a Thermo term test for answering "Yes, because a wizard did it".
 
Sherwin said:
Hi Every One !!! I honestly call bs when a student says they can't find a part-time job. How can you not find a part-time job in a city like Toronto.
It is best of all I think now a day.
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Not everyone goes to school in Toronto.
 
Stop being delusional. Not everyone lives in Toronto as well try to find a place to live with a part time job.

Sherwin said:
Hi Every One !!! I honestly call bs when a student says they can't find a part-time job. How can you not find a part-time job in a city like Toronto.
It is best of all I think now a day.
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I never had an issue finding a job and I was in London for school. I think most people looking for a job rather spend their OSAP money at the bar... If you want/need a job you WILL find one.
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