I hope you dont honestly think your presenting an unbiased opinion here.
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I hope you dont honestly think your presenting an unbiased opinion here.
what do you mean
What about a crazy mofo with a fork...and a crazy mofo with a gun? In the "who's the best crazy mofo at killing" event who is most likely to win?
Nobody is saying guns=crime, they're saying more guns= more chance of more serious crime.
Also anyone with a nuclear weapon is a potential threat if the weapon falls into the wrong hands/wrong government, hence non-proliferation treaties.
Just in case you haven't read any stats on gun related incidents (not only crime) in the US, if a memorial were built to all the victims of gun related accidents and crime in the US, that memorial would be bigger than the one for those who fell in Vietnam AND would grow by 90 names a day. Granted it does seem that there's a bigger proportion of "crazy mofos" in the US compared to Canada.....I'm betting the difference isn't actually that huge and many of those "crazy mofos" probably don't seem that crazy to you or me.
Your responding to BS with more BS.
There is absolutely no correlation in that data.
Not the same logic at all.
More legal guns is still more guns. Someone without an gun cant use one.
You cant say a legal gun has never been used in a crime, its simply not true. A total ban on guns would prevent some gun crimes.
Now, most gun crimes are committed with illegal guns. That should really be the basis of the argument.
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wow.
your grasp on the arguments being presented here is comical
DENIAL : not a river in Egypt.
At first the arguments were false. When that fails anti gun people will try to make up silly scenarios.
So we agree that crazy people exist and will commit a crime regardless of laws or gun regulations. They will get their hand on illegal guns, and if they don't have access to them they'll use a knife, sword, whatever.
So with that said when a crazy mofo decides to shoot up a movie theater, church, school and you're in attendance would you rather prefer to have a gun so you are able to defend yourself, or wait until the crazy mofo runs out of bullets/ his gun jams or the police arrive?
Lol....and you're absolutely certain that if you pull your gun out everyone around you will surely know you're the good guy when they pull their guns out too?
Do you see the flaw in your logic?
I do see the flaw, however please answer my question, which situation would you rather be in?
Ya i'll take the same one, however the truth is there are crazy people out there. I must admit that the probabilty of one of us being faced with that scenario is quite small, but given the scenario which one would you like to be in? Cause id like to have a gun, or someone else in that room who is a law abiding, logical person with enough training to take out the crazy mofo before i or others get shot.
Are you gonna sit here and tell me you think no law abiding citizen in this scenario would benefit society?
And the reality is you too would prefer someone to be there and take out the mofo, however you won't admit it, cause that would mean i have a point and im not just some crazy yahooo with a gun lol
One American newsprogram ran a test of the scenario and the armed civilian good guys ended up shooting numerous innocent people. While some of the armed individuals were not gun trained and therefore excuses can be made, several of the victims were shot by people familiar with handguns.
These people don't get it. I try to shed some light but its like talking to a wall.
Ive even had family members who are against guns, mind you after explaining all these "myths" to them, and taking them to the range they are now gun people!
No need to tell me.. I used to be somewhere between a Fudd and an anti.. Understood hunting, but not handguns. Learning about the broad range of shooting sports, educating myself and using my brain brought me where I am today.
Olympic shooting is a snooze-fest for most of us. There are safe action shooting sports that are much more interesting to watch and participate in. Some handguns are specifically designed and marketed for those sports. Actually the civilian sports shooting market (you know, those arms meant to bring food and punch holes in paper) for small arms is about 10x bigger than military and police combined (you know, those that might actually get to shoot a person).
Yeah because it was the fork that made Rosie O'Donnell fat and she couldn't have used her hands to stuff herself into the sumo category
We're also armed to our teeth compared to many other countries in the world and still have one of the lowest murder rates per capita.Timothy McVeigh would beg to differ.. Ban vans, diesel fuels and fertilizer! A wackoid will always find a way to kill.
The police being the only ones with arms? Thanks, but no thanks. I come from a country where sports shooters with their hunting rifles and the occasional handgun kept the dictator's thugs and their police escort at bay until the impartial elections officials were able to pick up the ballot boxes. If you don't think it can happen here, you know nothing about human nature.
No need to tell me.. I used to be somewhere between a Fudd and an anti.. Understood hunting, but not handguns. Learning about the broad range of shooting sports, educating myself and using my brain brought me where I am today.
Olympic shooting is a snooze-fest for most of us. There are safe action shooting sports that are much more interesting to watch and participate in. Some handguns are specifically designed and marketed for those sports. Actually the civilian sports shooting market (you know, those arms meant to bring food and punch holes in paper) for small arms is about 10x bigger than military and police combined (you know, those that might actually get to shoot a person).
Yeah because it was the fork that made Rosie O'Donnell fat and she couldn't have used her hands to stuff herself into the sumo category
Timothy McVeigh would beg to differ.. Ban vans, diesel fuels and fertilizer! A wackoid will always find a way to kill.
The police being the only ones with arms? Thanks, but no thanks. I come from a country where sports shooters with their hunting rifles and the occasional handgun kept the dictator's thugs and their police escort at bay until the impartial elections officials were able to pick up the ballot boxes. If you don't think it can happen here, you know nothing about human nature.
Luckily neither you nor I live in that country,we live in one of the safest countries in the world. As stated before, paranoia is a very dangerous thing.
Half a decade before that happened, I was living in one of the safest countries in the world, where people had roofs over their heads, family vehicles, better health coverage than we have here, more vacation time, spare cash to actually take those vacations and much more affordable education. It took half a decade to turn it into a hellhole. It can happen anywhere as it's a part of human nature.
To give this guy an INKLING of a benefit of a doubt, maybe he was simply ****** that he couldn't carry and was looking for a reason to complain about our gun laws. Maybe this is was only 'scenario' that popped up during his visit.
But if he really does live in this kind of fear, then I do kind of pity him.
But if he really does live in this kind of fear, then I do kind of pity him.
Human nature is quite destructive isn't it? Probably a good idea if we don't have more access to more tools of destruction......it could happen anywhere as you say.
Let me ask you...if you feel that you are ok to carry a weapon...what about your neighbor..his neighbor....their friends etc etc? Who is to say who gets to carry a gun? The same police that you want to defend yourself against? What about if everyone gets to carry a gun then. Can you honestly say you'd feel safer than you do now?
I'm happy leaving it up to trained professionals to put themselves in harms way where necessary when it comes to firearms as I have never, not once, not even for a second, felt the need to have a weapon on me in public. By the way...I thoroughly enjoy target shooting and have a military marksmens badge from years ago somewhere. I just distinguish between the leisure aspect of firing a gun at a target and carrying a gun for so called self defense reasons.
Human nature is quite destructive, but that also leads to the fact that if there is a major disturbance, Canadians will find a way to kill each other, whether it's knives, clubs, rocks or teeth.
I'd have no problems with my neighbors being able to carry a firearm. Even the guy I think is a real prick. As long as they have a clean record, no history of mental illness and no history of hard drug abuse. Just because everyone can carry a gun, doesn't mean that everyone will carry a gun. I wouldn't even if I could, with the current socioeconomic situation here in Canada. I would just like to have the option in case things change.
We currently have a decent and professional police service framework. Are they perfect? Of course, not, but I wouldn't come anywhere near comparing them to what I left when I came here. For now, the only part of their involvement in firearm licensing that I'd currently modify is their ability to say what's legal and what's not. If they ever do become a truly corrupt organization, they'd have to tread lightly if the majority of the population has the option to defend themselves against armed thugs.
