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Interesting prospectives....
Just a thought- if toronto carried, would we have less motorcyclist so eager to kick someone's mirror off because the driver could be packing heat? Or are we being "limited" because someone decided we as a general are not responsible enough to handle such chance encounters? Obviously there would be some loose cannons running about but they cause damage with or w/o guns.
Both sides present positives and negatives...I just can't decide which is better.
 
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Redrock said:
Interesting prospectives....
Just a thought- if toronto carried, would we have less motorcyclist so eager to kick someone's mirror off because the driver could be packing heat? Or are we being "limited" because someone decided we as a general are not responsible enough to handle such chance encounters? Obviously there would be some loose cannons running about but they cause damage with or w/o guns.
Both sides present positives and negatives...I just can't decide which is better.
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To get a firearms licence, especially for restricted firearms, you have to go through a criminal background check, mental health and general attitude check, interviews with the RCMP (you and 2 references of good character), take a safety course, jump through a lot of hoops. If my wife ever becomes concerned with my firearm ownership, she can anonymously contact the RCMP and there'd be a solid chance that my licence would be revoked and any firearms that I do not sell/give away would get confiscated. That is why law-abiding gun owners are the least likely demographic to commit a criminal offense. In such an encounter, there is no chance in hell for pulling out a firearm and using it to be considered lawful. You'd have to be the Attorney General to get away with that and you can still use your SAAB instead.

Most gun owners who call for the right to carry, wouldn't carry at all. It's bulky, it's uncomfortable, and in my line of work, I try to save every oz of weight. Some might do it for a couple of weeks, grow tired of it and have their concealed pistols become "safe queens". Allowing law-abiding citizens to carry wouldn't even cause a blip on the radar. The criminal element is already well-armed. It's cheaper and easier to buy a black market import than to go through the licensing and registration process in order to get a firearm.
 
I think this is pretty simple and not even really about gun control.

He is used to carrying a firearm and he feels less safe when he does not have it. He did not feel he had the personal ability to deal with idiots when he is unarmed. Maybe even less of a man...

The rest of us would have told them to bugger off...
 
Paul1000RR said:
Some would call that being oblivious, delusional or simply stupid.

After all why wouldnt someone take precautions to protect their lives?
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Are you for real? So every tourist should be armed? Simply stated I'm not paranoid and I've lived in enough places with trouble to consider myself street smart. As for comments about cops and soldiers, they carry weapons for purposes of upholding the law along with self defense. If I pulled out a gun in some of the places I've been to I'd be staring at multiple guns in return held by people unsure of what threat I constitute to them whereas I was no threat before and they no threat to me.

Paranoia is a very dangerous thing.

Ive been to Honduras, Guatemala, el Salvador parts of Panama, Columbia and never had a problem just by being aware.
 
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So when cops arrive on the scene of any crime they are more dangerous to themselves because they have the ability to use a gun to protect themselves and others?

Same with soldiers? I guess we'd be better off sending them off to afghanistan with a motovational speaker instead of giving them armoured vehicles and guns eh??
You gonna lead the way?
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Did you read the article? Nice hyperbole, btw.

Dude felt threatened not having a firearm during a non-encounter (for anyone to label it as "aggressive" is off their meds). If someone feels threatened by simply being approached by strangers in a park during the day, then yes, I would seriously question their judgment and use of a firearm.

If you need a firearm in order to deal with everyday people and situations, then I'd call that paranoid. This isn't even about gun control or ccw laws.
 
backmarkerducati said:
I think this is pretty simple and not even really about gun control.

He is used to carrying a firearm and he feels less safe when he does not have it. He did not feel he had the personal ability to deal with idiots when he is unarmed. Maybe even less of a man...

The rest of us would have told them to bugger off...
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Maybe he should take a self defense course and learn how to control a situation.
 
Guy was probably too fat and unfit to defend himself properly. Lazy Police with guns. Small town America.
 
short stop said:
Did you read the article? Nice hyperbole, btw.

Dude felt threatened not having a firearm during a non-encounter (for anyone to label it as "aggressive" is off their meds). If someone feels threatened by simply being approached by strangers in a park during the day, then yes, I would seriously question their judgment and use of a firearm.

If you need a firearm in order to deal with everyday people and situations, then I'd call that paranoid. This isn't even about gun control or ccw laws.
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Were you there to witness the whole story? Or are you simply taking the side of the anti gun news article thats simply pulling it their way? I'd think that someone like a cop would be able to read a situation better than the average joe.
 
jc100 said:
Are you for real? So every tourist should be armed? Simply stated I'm not paranoid and I've lived in enough places with trouble to consider myself street smart. As for comments about cops and soldiers, they carry weapons for purposes of upholding the law along with self defense. If I pulled out a gun in some of the places I've been to I'd be staring at multiple guns in return held by people unsure of what threat I constitute to them whereas I was no threat before and they no threat to me.

Paranoia is a very dangerous thing.

Ive been to Honduras, Guatemala, el Salvador parts of Panama, Columbia and never had a problem just by being aware.
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No i never said that every tourist should be armed. But at the same time to say that no one needs a firearm regardless of what situation they might be faced with is also ridiculous.

There are people who shouldn't have guns, and in our country those people DO have guns lol Yet the people who SHOULD have guns can't, because of a delusional perception that everyone would go shooting each other.

But then again whats to expect from a society that wants to put more gun restrictions on LEGAL gun owners, in order to stop shootings with ILLEGAL guns lol
 
Paul1000RR said:
Were you there to witness the whole story? Or are you simply taking the side of the anti gun news article thats simply pulling it their way? I'd think that someone like a cop would be able to read a situation better than the average joe.
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LOL.

If you'd actually read the article (or the many numerous others in major papers), then you'd see that it isn't an editorial. The article shows the tweet that THE OFFICER HIMSELF posted. No opinion, no bias, it's the man's own recounting of the incident. People are reacting to his own words and reading of the situation. If there's more to it that we don't know, then this guy obviously hasn't articulated himself sufficiently.

BTW, you have no idea what my personal opinion is on gun laws. I'm simply reporting a humorous story, showcasing a total paranoid idiot.
 
jc100 said:
Are you for real? So every tourist should be armed? Simply stated I'm not paranoid and I've lived in enough places with trouble to consider myself street smart. As for comments about cops and soldiers, they carry weapons for purposes of upholding the law along with self defense. If I pulled out a gun in some of the places I've been to I'd be staring at multiple guns in return held by people unsure of what threat I constitute to them whereas I was no threat before and they no threat to me.

Paranoia is a very dangerous thing.

Ive been to Honduras, Guatemala, el Salvador parts of Panama, Columbia and never had a problem just by being aware.
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Why would anyone pull out a gun for no reason? lmao anti gun people come up with the best scenarios ever.

No logical person would pull out a gun and start waving it around for no reason, its a last defence tool. The same way cops don't point their gun at your head just for speeding.

My point is that if you're gonna get robbed or raped, with a gun you atleast stand a chance, without it you're at the mercy of the person doing the robbing/raping/murdering.

If you have enough faith in others to put your life in their hands go for it, others like me, would like to even out the odds atleast.
 
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LOL.

If you'd actually read the article (or the many numerous others in major papers), then you'd see that it isn't an editorial. The article shows the tweet that THE OFFICER HIMSELF posted. No opinion, no bias, it's the man's own recounting of the incident. People are reacting to his own words and reading of the situation. If there's more to it that we don't know, then this guy obviously hasn't articulated himself sufficiently.

BTW, you have no idea what my personal opinion is on gun laws. I'm simply reporting a humorous story, showcasing a total paranoid idiot.
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I read multiple articles on this story, along with the responses to the whole thing.
 
The person who thinks that people don't wave guns around for no reason or that cops don't pull out a gun for speeding has no place calling anyone delusional.
 
backmarkerducati said:
I think this is pretty simple and not even really about gun control.

He is used to carrying a firearm and he feels less safe when he does not have it. He did not feel he had the personal ability to deal with idiots when he is unarmed. Maybe even less of a man...

The rest of us would have told them to bugger off...
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IMO the biggest problem with always carrying a gun relates to the comment "If the only tool you have is a hammer you treat every problem like a nail." An unarmed person is less likely to get into trouble because they are less likely to enter aggresive situations.

When I buy a new tool I look forward to using it someday to show that the purchase was a good investment. I wonder how many marginally screened gun owners can't wait to justify their purchase on someone who just looked suspicious.

I am comfortable with some responsible Yankee gunowners but I recently endured the ranting of a chimp who, along with a few of his ilk, used their guns to stop traffic so their ride could run through an intersection uninterupted. Ride for Gunsights?

Brilliant! Use the right to bear arms to take away someone else's legal traffic rights.
 
OpenGambit said:
The person who thinks that people don't wave guns around for no reason or that cops don't pull out a gun for speeding has no place calling anyone delusional.
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People who use their guns in an inappropriate manner should answer to the law. That's why we have laws. Otherwise, I'd be just as dangerous knocking back a 24, getting in my truck and driving through a playground. I'm primarily blocked by my sense of civic responsibility and those that aren't, have legal consequences to consider before trying to pull such a stunt. Should people be forbidden from drinking alcohol or from driving pickup trucks (not at the same time)? :D
 
In re-reading the G&M article I wonder if we should feel genuinely sorry for the US cop. While parts of Canada may be unsavory they do not compare to many of the inner city areas of the USA when discussing risk.

A cousin was unknowingly traveling through one such area and stopped late afternoon to buy some electronic item not available in Canada. When he walked into the store the black clerk looked up at him in disbelief and screamed "What are you doing here? It's almost dark and you whities aren't going to make it."

I suppose if you lived there gun protection is as common as locking your doors.
 
nobbie48 said:
IMO the biggest problem with always carrying a gun relates to the comment "If the only tool you have is a hammer you treat every problem like a nail." An unarmed person is less likely to get into trouble because they are less likely to enter aggresive situations.

When I buy a new tool I look forward to using it someday to show that the purchase was a good investment. I wonder how many marginally screened gun owners can't wait to justify their purchase on someone who just looked suspicious.

I am comfortable with some responsible Yankee gunowners but I recently endured the ranting of a chimp who, along with a few of his ilk, used their guns to stop traffic so their ride could run through an intersection uninterupted. Ride for Gunsights?

Brilliant! Use the right to bear arms to take away someone else's legal traffic rights.
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Rabid gun nuts don't really get it though..they always pull out the "if I have a gun and I get robbed I'm evening the field"....you're escalating a violent act into a more violent act actually, one that is quite likely to end with you dead than simply robbed in quite a few places around the world.

I love the Simpson's episode where Homer joins the NRA and ends up using his gun for all sorts of purposes like opening bottles etc.
 
FiReSTaRT said:
People who use their guns in an inappropriate manner should answer to the law. That's why we have laws. Otherwise, I'd be just as dangerous knocking back a 24, getting in my truck and driving through a playground. I'm primarily blocked by my sense of civic responsibility and those that aren't, have legal consequences to consider before trying to pull such a stunt. Should people be forbidden from drinking alcohol or from driving pickup trucks (not at the same time)? :D
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Guns are only designed for one appropriate purpose....and therein lies the problem. We're not talking olympic target guns here.
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