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Have attitudes changed?
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ROGO
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Speaking of shows with good wholesome family values... Did you guys ever watch a show called Davey and Goliath that ran on Sunday's. OMG talk about Sunday School morality. hehe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mbu7jQ3HhMg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mbu7jQ3HhMg
I can think of a lot of shows that taught decent values, in the evenings... you'd flip through channel's and you would usually come across: The Cosby show, family matters, Wonder Years, Boy meets world, Full House, Facts of Life, Growing Pains, fresh prince of bel air, Who's the Boss etc..... now flip channels and we have Jersey Shore, Hoarders, intervention, real house wives, wife swap...
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awyala
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Life imitating art. It occurs when art is treated as sacred and above reproach. Art becomes the ideal rather than a reflection or outward expression.
The thing that interests me about change is what causes it, and how and when. I'd say the media started to change around the time of M*A*S*H, All in the Family, Star Trek, when shows looked at broader social issues with a critical eye. Not just issues like how much time dad was spending with junior, or whether the apple was split into four equal parts (in reference to the Davey and Goliath video above) which was broadcast at the time that we came closest in all our history to thermonuclear war, but people had no idea.
Now we're all aware of the problems of the world, for the most part. The economy, environment, energy, technology and our powerlessness in the face of it all, given the corrutive influence of money in governement. It can be too much to cope with, and shows of today cater to that with either escapism like Jersey Shore or The Bachelor(ette) or absurdity like Family Guy or Real House Wives. What else can you joke about when in the back of our minds we all know the world is s***?
Art treated as sacred and above reproach? I'm not sure how Jersey shore reflects this type of art... lol.
I agree - escapism for the masses - who mostly make up the growing poor, as the middle class, in the US particularly, continues to shrink.. It's also a fixation on wealth and materialism that drives capitalism - Keeping up with the Kardashians, the Real House Wives, Life in the Fab lane - all shows about wealthy people enjoying their riches.
I also think that modern TV now reflects a change in the way that the medium is used, most people turn to the internet for their source of information, and knowledge rather than television - so it's become more of a medium for sheer entertainment and sensationalism rather than a resource for learning anything. I think a lot of people have come to recognize that most networks are venues for dissemination of propaganda - i.e. Fox - pro republican.
Problem is that where TV has dropped the dissemination of moral lessons the internet hasn't really filled this vacuum in terms of promoting social or societal values... ultimately it falls back on the parents and the school systems. In the U.S. - most parents are struggling just to make ends meet, are over worked and perpetually exhausted, most school systems are woefully underfunded and overpopulated - It's really no wonder kids today are the way they are.
It should always fall to parents to raise their kids and teach them morals. There is no excuse for failing to do so in the Western world.
When I think of the poor overworked parent excuse I think of some drought stricken nation in Africa where every day a member of the family, often a mom with her kid or the kid alone, has to trek dozens of km to the nearest water source, while another one scavenges what they can from garbage, and they add mud to their food to make it more filling. These kids don't hate their parents, they don't grow up to be mass murderers or leaches on society. They have a much more realistic perspective on life than most Western kids and they do fine.
I'm not saying deprivation is a good thing, but being honest about one's means and accepting that your kids can't have a PS3 even if all the other poor families do, is what parents need to accept. I think they put on airs for their kids about being better off than they are out of fear of being hated by their kids, whose respect they crave because it's their only source of self-esteem. Some of this can be blamed on the media but really, media awareness should be one of the first things parents teach their kids (in the Western world), instead of media obedience.
In a lot of eastern countries the grandparents, aunts, uncles, extended family all play an integral role in the childs life and sibilings and cousins all grow up together or closely knit with the extended family. When I was in Hong Kong I would see grandparents everywhere with their grand kids and in fact they were the primary caregivers of the kids as the parents worked incredibly long work hours in demanding employment environments. The child has a stronger support system as a result.
I think the more role models a child has around them as they are growing the better. I think part of the issue here is that children grow up in isolationist environments - often times if one parent goes absent, either via divorce, estrangement, abandonment - which is quite common - leaving single parent families - this places a huge burden on the lone parent to be both sole provider and role model.
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Very true....So children are left being raised by what they see/hear on the tv and Internet, which we all know for the most part is bollocks. So what can we do, go outside and give a kid a hug? What would be the answer to helping the future of society become better? Who's going to pick up the slack where other avenues are falling short? Or do we continue on the path were going, do your own and let someone else deal with the others.
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rmemedic
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Piss poor excuse. I grew up in a single parent home. Made me mature quicker since I had to step up and do my share. Yard work, chores around the house, looking after my younger sister. My mom worked shift work so I sometimes wouldn't actually see her for about a week. She still get me to come out a respectful, hard working person... Despite a bit of a rocky time in my late teens.
I don't think its a poor excuse. Being a single parent in a western society that is inherently isolationist is extremely challenging and is a lose lose situation for the parent and child alike... just because you turned out good despite the deficit situation.... doesn't mean that single parent families are all doing great.... quite the contrary. I was also raised in a single parent home, definitely matured quicker, had to step up... etc., sure I turned out alright despite the situation, it probably even made me stronger, more resilient, etc., and I'm not saying that having a parent around who is abusive or a crack addict is better then that person being absent... there are certain situations where the child is better off not having that person in their life... children benefit from a positive community, family environment which ideally would have more then one person as the only living example of what being a good person means.
This notion that children are the responsibility of the community is not new... many philosophers have spoken about it... our early education and school systems are predicated on it - i.e. the KG class teaching you everything you need to know about being a good person.
I'd have to agree to that too.
My parents are business owners and I never had anyone to cook or clean for me. I remember cooking on my own at 12 and getting ready for school next day. That included ironing my shirt and doing laundry (no, it was not simply putting it in the washer).
Kids these days have it easy tsk tsk tsk
ROGO
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There are so many factors involved with getting a person to come out "Right". Society, Parenting, how that person is "wired" etc..
IMO Parenting is a huge contributor but at the same time it's the individual and their life experience that determines the outcome. As parents we have to set rules, guidelines and consequences to actions regardless if we are present or not. It's the immediate family that must take care of this as extended can sometimes not be the role models we want, grandparents included.
The problem with many people today is they lack self-esteem and are focused to much on material things.
How We've chosen to raise our kids is to make sure they are self-confident and have a good self-esteem. This has helped them to make the right choices for themselves and not be sheep. We've also allowed them to experience life and make choices for themselves, after all isn't the point of parenting to get them to eventually leave and fend for themselves?
Besides teaching them the value of a dollar, another thing we've done since they were little was to get them to purge or give up things they no longer needed or used to Goodwill or when we travel. The lesson here was about not getting attached to material things along with learning how to give and appreciate there are less fortunate people.
I can go on but my point is parenting is very important and the time you spend with a child will help them become better people, it's just not guaranteed. How often do you see good kids come from bad parents and bad kids come from good.
With respect to the world being S_H_!_T and society needing escape from that, again there is good and bad with everything. What do you want to focus on? If I chose to look at all the problems of the world I'd never leave my house. I'd much rather take in all the small pleasures like helping a small child grin from ear to ear by riding with them around the block with a motorcycle.
IMO Parenting is a huge contributor but at the same time it's the individual and their life experience that determines the outcome. As parents we have to set rules, guidelines and consequences to actions regardless if we are present or not. It's the immediate family that must take care of this as extended can sometimes not be the role models we want, grandparents included.
The problem with many people today is they lack self-esteem and are focused to much on material things.
How We've chosen to raise our kids is to make sure they are self-confident and have a good self-esteem. This has helped them to make the right choices for themselves and not be sheep. We've also allowed them to experience life and make choices for themselves, after all isn't the point of parenting to get them to eventually leave and fend for themselves?
Besides teaching them the value of a dollar, another thing we've done since they were little was to get them to purge or give up things they no longer needed or used to Goodwill or when we travel. The lesson here was about not getting attached to material things along with learning how to give and appreciate there are less fortunate people.
I can go on but my point is parenting is very important and the time you spend with a child will help them become better people, it's just not guaranteed. How often do you see good kids come from bad parents and bad kids come from good.
With respect to the world being S_H_!_T and society needing escape from that, again there is good and bad with everything. What do you want to focus on? If I chose to look at all the problems of the world I'd never leave my house. I'd much rather take in all the small pleasures like helping a small child grin from ear to ear by riding with them around the block with a motorcycle.
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OpenGambit
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I am sorry, but being in a single parent home in a Western society is NOT a hard life. People need to realize how amazing they have it to live here and take advantage of the infinitely more opportunities they are given compared to others.
. I'd much rather take in all the small pleasures like helping a small child grin from ear to ear by riding with them around the block with a motorcycle.
Hahaha so true.... The quality of your life is determined by the state of your mind.
I grew up in a single-parent home. I'm now a responsible member of society, without too much baggage. What definitely helped was that I had a large extended family with lots of older siblings and caring aunts and uncles. What I learned was that you had to pick and choose your role models, and on a more painful note, learned that biological parents don't always love you as much as others can.
lets focus on one area at a time. Yes if you compare us to 3rd world countries we're absolutley spoiled off our face with opportunity IF we can utilize it. How does a single father with no education, poor communicaton as he speaks little english...no immediate family and a 3 year old better himself for the sake of his child. He works 2 jobs just to make ends meet, he has to pay an arm and a leg for day care so he can work. osap means f'all to him because he cant take the time off to educate himself, god forbid something really does go wrong that requires excess money as he has none (Ive seen him struggle to feed his child). The funny thing is, ask him why he came to Canada "because he heard of the oppertunities"....doesn't quite seem like the "easy" life to me. Reply With Quote
The fact that we're on the internet, on a motorcycle site with the presumption that everyone here rides or about to start means we truly do not know what it is to be poor....even in our own backyard.
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I grew up watching those shows than Friends came along and I think that's when everything changed. I haven't watched t.v. since than.
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