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Have attitudes changed?

Don't get me wrong. Anyone that knows me generally says I'm a nice guy. :) I treat people how I want to be treated and give everyone the respect they deserve and sometimes even those that don't.

My point is you have to understand that the World is not very forgiving and you need to realize this always. Every situation you encounter presents options that you need to consider and if your mind is aware of all the potential crap that can take place then your better prepared when it actually happens. That's what I meant about thinking like a Dick not acting like one.

I've since edited my post as follows...

The world is harsh, you either sink or swim. If you don't view the world with the mind of a "Dick" then you'll be shafted every time. ;)

I didn't see it as any form of competition, it's just people giving off first hand examples of coming from one of these "bad" back grounds and becoming successful despite it. Your situation was a difficult one, so was mine just in different ways.



I have learned this too, but there is a place and time for that... Sometimes at work I have to be a little pushy and a bit of a "dick" to get my point across or to get things done. And sometimes in private life there is a time for it as well. But, when you're out in public you don't always need to be a dick at the drop of a hat. Give people a chance, THEN you can be a dick if they F it up.

Pretty much I treat people the way I treat my grandma (she's a pretty cool grandma so I can get away with lots).
 
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Don't get me wrong. Anyone that knows me generally says I'm a nice guy. :) I treat people how I want to be treated and give everyone the respect they deserve and sometimes even those that don't.

My point is you have to understand that the World is not very forgiving and you need to realize this always. Every situation you encounter presents options that you need to consider and if your mind is aware of all the potential crap that can take place then your better prepared when it actually happens. That's what I meant about thinking like a Dick not acting like one.

I've since edited my post as follows...

The world is harsh, you either sink or swim. If you don't view the world with the mind of a "Dick" then you'll be shafted every time. ;)

Thank you, that works much better... I look at it the same, a bit on the cynical side but with a glimmer of hope that the person I'm dealing with is actually a good individual.
 
Excellent stories of determination and will to better your futures. So the question remains, what ever happened to "please" and "thank you", holding the door for someone, giving the elder/disabled your seat? why are these actions so rarely seen today (particularly in toronto)?
 
Hmmmm I don't see anyone being terribly inclined to open doors for someone, or give elders their seat if they view the world through the eyes of the mind of whats in their pants.... :lmao: Rogo you make me laugh.
 
That goes back to parenting or what you learn in church or school. I was raised to hold the door open and give my seat up to pregnant or older people. I teach my kids the same and today many are surprised and comment on how polite they are and pleased to hear how respectful they are. I'm usually surprised by this because at home they don't always act the way I'd like them to. LOL

Etiquette is a learned behavior. If noone is taught this how would you know?

Another school of thought could be that people are generally self serving. Therefore even if you were taught this growing up you can easily become desensitized from good manners if you are constantly not treated with the same respect.

Excellent stories of determination and will to better your futures. So the question remains, what ever happened to "please" and "thank you", holding the door for someone, giving the elder/disabled your seat? why are these actions so rarely seen today (particularly in toronto)?
 
LMAO, I was waiting for that. No more edits. :)

The reference was from a previous post that Gambit made. You're too funny Angel. haha

Hmmmm I don't see anyone being terribly inclined to open doors for someone, or give elders their seat if they view the world through the eyes of the mind of whats in their pants.... :lmao: Rogo you make me laugh.
 
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a bit on the cynical side but with a glimmer of hope that the person I'm dealing with is actually a good individual.

I used to take on the more cynical perspective.... but after some time... I learned you're better off leaning more towards that hopeful side then you are leaning towards the cynical side.... it changes your energy and when you perceive everything more optimistically... it's easier to appreciate the good things that happen that you were hopeful about happening, when they happen and coming across a lot more good individuals as a result.
 
and my point is that trying to tell me that any kid growing up in Canada doesn't have opportunity is just silly, ( short of actual personal disability ). If I could do it, anyone else can do it.

Means, motive and opportunity. You've covered means (Ability) and opportunity but there are those whose motivation has been destroyed by either society or sadly sometimes by a parent. A kid constantly being told he's no good.
 
Means, motive and opportunity. You've covered means (Ability) and opportunity but there are those whose motivation has been destroyed by either society or sadly sometimes by a parent. A kid constantly being told he's no good.

And can either overcome it or become a bum. his choice, not mine.
I don't care if you have been told you are a piece of **** your whole life, you as a person can either prove them right, or prove them wrong.

No sympathy.
 
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Dick! ;)

And can either overcome it or become a bum. his choice, not mine.
I don't care if you have been told you are a piece of **** your whole life, you as a person can either prove them right, or prove them wrong.

No sympathy.
 

Perhaps its that mentality that has lead to his success and so he holds firm by it. I'm not entirely convinced that "choice" is really enough... I'm generally an existentialist as well - you have the freedom to decide how things that happen to you will impact you - but it takes a fairly developed mind to be able to make that kind of choice - not sure a child would be quite capable of it (depending on age). Also with respect to societal values these are usually indoctrinated in you as a child well before you've been afforded the luxury of choice as an adult.
 
And can either overcome it or become a bum. his choice, not mine.
I don't care if you have been told you are a piece of **** your whole life, you as a person can either prove them right, or prove them wrong.

No sympathy.

I think this is where some people will succeed and some will not and it is determined by the the "tools" that they were born with. Some are more able to move beyond a troubled up bringing than others, imo.
 
Nature vs. Nurture age old debate. Which came first manors or lack there of?


I think this is where some people will succeed and some will not and it is determined by the the "tools" that they were born with. Some are more able to move beyond a troubled up bringing than others, imo.
 
And can either overcome it or become a bum. his choice, not mine.
I don't care if you have been told you are a piece of **** your whole life, you as a person can either prove them right, or prove them wrong.

No sympathy.

You do realize that bullying can have crippling effects on a person...worst case scenario suicide. Not everyone is "equipped" to handle social pressures and scrutiny. A girl constantly being told she's fat can result in an eating disorder or body image issues, coupled with what she see's in beauty magazines and peer pressure and the odds are stacked against her.
Just because she's been presented equal opportunities as other in her case does not mean she's mentally capable of dealing with them in a constructive manor...and I'm not talking about a mental disability...she just may not have that coping mechanism within her. Personally I think your being a little harsh.
 
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OpenGambit, saying everyone has an equal opportunity may have a little truth to it, but it's an absurd claim to make as an absolute. Resilience is the biggest factor for determining whether or not a child will be successful in life. So you're right - you play the cards that you're dealt; you learn to compensate for ****** luck; you do what you can. But some people don't have it in them to play those cards; compensate; or keep doing what they need to.

I can guarantee that if we took the factors of your life (ie ****** home, depression, single parent, repeat offender, etc.), there are more examples of people who weren't able to break through it and become "successful"

You've been through a depression, so you should know this. Not everyone can bounce back. You can have all the opportunities in the world, but if you don't have the resilience to try again after failing, you're not going anywhere. And it's hard to blame the person entirely when it's a character trait.
 
And can either overcome it or become a bum. his choice, not mine.
I don't care if you have been told you are a piece of **** your whole life, you as a person can either prove them right, or prove them wrong.

No sympathy.

Glad to hear this from the legal profession. This disallows battered wife syndrome discussions. They should have just left the marriage and got a high paying job somewhere. All it would take is a reading a pamphlet.

You are technically correct if the resources were available to isolate the affected individuals and spend the required time with them to fix their heads. I know a few that would benefit from the program but the funding isn't there to do the job right. As much as I would like to help the individuals it would mean shutting down my own life to do something in which I have no training.

If you feel the problem is so easily solved why not take the rest of the week off to resolve all our welfare problems. Next week you can overhaul our prison system.
 
Glad to hear this from the legal profession. This disallows battered wife syndrome discussions. They should have just left the marriage and got a high paying job somewhere. All it would take is a reading a pamphlet.

You are technically correct if the resources were available to isolate the affected individuals and spend the required time with them to fix their heads. I know a few that would benefit from the program but the funding isn't there to do the job right. As much as I would like to help the individuals it would mean shutting down my own life to do something in which I have no training.

If you feel the problem is so easily solved why not take the rest of the week off to resolve all our welfare problems. Next week you can overhaul our prison system.

So you decided to take a concept, apply it to something I completely didn't speak to at all, and then thought it fit to also insult me and my profession?

I didn't talk about saving the planet, just my own life.

And lastly, I am not here to talk about my personal charitable giving, but I do remember helping you.
 
Many people contributed excellent responses, good advice and opinions. So let's get together, hold the door for each other as we enter one of many fine establishments that serve delicious wings. Chow down, knock a few mugs together and give thanks to the opportunities and accomplishments we've shared together as motorcyclist from all walks of life :) cheers I say cheers!!!
 
Many people contributed excellent responses, good advice and opinions. So let's get together, hold the door for each other as we enter one of many fine establishments that serve delicious wings. Chow down, knock a few mugs together and give thanks to the opportunities and accomplishments we've shared together as motorcyclist from all walks of life :) cheers I say cheers!!!

Group ride to wild wing?!
 
Cheers!! No offense to those who I intellectually sparred with and made fun of.... all in good jokes. I do think most of you should stop trying to see the world through the eyes of the mind of your .... alright I won't repeat myself. :D
 

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