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fastar1 said:
While I agree with what you said, I think you're addressing a different point than ZX600.

The way I see it is that governments are leaders of their region (city, province, nation...), and people are the products of those regions. Conservatives expect (justifiably) a bit of a firewall between themselves and the leaders, in the form of the laws of the land. So government should never be a leader of the people, but a leader of their jurisdiction. The way skip described the role of a mayor as being a leader of a million people kind of breached that firewall, and I believe that was what prompted ZX600's reaction.

This is the problem of overzealous progressives; trying to grow their vision of the city so quickly that residents feel dragged along against their will, rather than the city expanding beneath them so they can grow within it. This provokes the only 'rational' reaction which is to elect a government that cripples itself with budget cuts so that it can't meddle as much in their lives. Getting a little bit of gold dust in their hands is also a nice incentive, but the problem here is that the golden sparkle distracts them from noticing that their city is crumbling underneath them.

Me, I preferred to be dragged along by the likes of Miller (within reason) than to allow the city to be neglected by another Ford, but my preference is in part because I shared the vision of the city that we were being dragged into. But Miller dig drag people, particularly with car restrictions like the VRT and Jarvis bike lanes. So there was bound to be at least a bit of backlash. Turns out there was enough of a backlash (plus all the other qualities that Ford possessed over the competition) that we ended up with this disaster.

All that to say YES, a strong leader is necessary but (s)he should be a leader of the city, not of the citizens.
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And the way that I see it, a leader doesn't have to be a spendthrift. You can motivate without picking the pocket. Miller may have tried to drag people along with his vision, but his vision didn't exactly provide for an efficient, liveable city. His priorities seemed slanted to bread and circuses, in aid of reelection, instead of repair and support of an aging infrastructure.

Given the choice between a crumbling infrastructure and more personal money, or crumbling infrastructure and less money, the choice is obvious. Both are wrong, but one is less wrong. Torontonians deserve better than two wrong choices.
 
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Big question is how do you get a really smart guy to want the job of Mayor.
 
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crankcall said:
Big question is how do you get a really smart guy to want the job of Mayor.
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Find him. Follow him, late at night. Club him on the head and throw him in the back of a van. When he wakes up, he'll be chained to the mayor's desk.

I don't see any other way. The only people we seem to get, these days, are lifetime political hacks or people who think that the cap on their life experience would be to take political office. It's service in aid of a political agenda, rather than service for the sake of the people. You can get a 'smart guy' but he'll be serving himself, rather than you.
 
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crankcall said:
Big question is how do you get a really smart guy to want the job of Mayor.
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I'd say there are plenty of smart people who would love to run for mayor and provide a civic duty to a city they care about. However, in my opinion these are the biggest barriers:

1. Lack of funds to run
2. Lack of ability to garner votes

If I had the $ I'd run as I said before. But I also don't have a platform on which to run with.

I know that social media (as was previously mentioned) has probably greatly reduced the amount of $ needed to run, but you still need a team. It can't be a one-man show. Sure your family can help out in any way they can, but without a professional team to help one run....I'd see it as a long shot.

So here are some questions for the rest of GTAM (maybe should be a different thread):

1. what issues are important to you? (Besides free parking for motorcycles and allowing lane splitting)
2. what do you want to see in the next elected official?
3. do you actually care about who the next mayor will be? (if you live in Toronto)
 
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crankcall said:
Big question is how do you get a really smart guy to want the job of Mayor.
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The smart people have figured out a long time ago that based on the voter base, they can't actually successfully run on a platform that would actually get things done and actually get elected, it's a catch 22. So the smart people just move on.....
 
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Snobike Mike said:
The smart people have figured out a long time ago that based on the voter base, they can't actually successfully run on a platform that would actually get things done and actually get elected, it's a catch 22. So the smart people just move on.....
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The sad truth is that the things that really need to be done are always the boring things that aren't shiny enough to catch voters' eyes.

Who do people vote for? The candidate claiming he'd build a sparkly new something-or-other that will make life SO much prettier and shiny for a billion dollars, or the one saying he'd fix potholes and watermains (which btw, are at the end of their lifespan right about now and are in fact in very dire need of replacement) but that nobody will ever see for a billion dollars?
 
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Mongrel said:
Serious question for ZX600 & co: Do you really, honestly think that there is literally not one person in the entire City of Toronto beside Ford who could hold a hard line on taxes and spending were they mayor?

I mean, I can at least understand people who say they don't trust government, that they want to shrink it, and they refuse to pay more taxes. I don't agree with it, but I can understand.

What I can't understand is the insistence that that sort of leader can only appear on earth in the form of Robert Ford.
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Not sure where you got the fact that i will only vote for Rob Ford! I don't remember saying that anywhere, maybe you can quote me if i am wrong.

If you give me to chose between Bill Clinton (blowjob Boy and Liar) and George Bush (War boy) I will vote for the guy that balanced the budget and left a surplus instead of the guy with "good family morals and christian" that put the country in shambles.

If I was still in Toronto as I was for the past 15 years and you gave me a better candidate, I will vote for that Candidate no questions asked.

I will be interested in Karen Stintz, we will see, at least she is not as much as a ****** bag politician as others it seems
 
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Rob MacLennan said:
Seems that the Fords' show on Fox Nort.., ummm Sun TV has been cancelled after one show.
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Just like the radio show. On page 60 of this thread I wondered who-cancelled-who, radio station or Fords. Now I wonder the same, what is the truth behind this TV cancellation?

And I don't mean the official story. The duration of the taping and posproduction can be controlled. There is something else.

A theory (not mine, a friend told me) is that an ongoing TV show (basically a commercial) may interfere with his reelection, because of municipal by-laws. Would anyone know if he can have a TV show promoting himself, at the same time he is running for mayor a second time?
 
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MarcosSantiago said:
Just like the radio show. On page 60 of this thread I wondered who-cancelled-who, radio station or Fords. Now I wonder the same, what is the truth behind this TV cancellation?

And I don't mean the official story. The duration of the taping and posproduction can be controlled. There is something else.

A theory (not mine, a friend told me) is that an ongoing TV show (basically a commercial) may interfere with his reelection, because of municipal by-laws. Would anyone know if he can have a TV show promoting himself, at the same time he is running for mayor a second time?
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You can only control the production time if you can control the artist. Who could control Ford?
 
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mimico_polak said:
Doug! He seems to be the only one with some influence on his brother.
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He doesn't control Rob, he goads him on. Kinda like that kid, in grade school, who would always be saying, "I dare you...."
 
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Rob Ford is becoming a superstar and everybody is listening to him no matter if it’s bad or good.
That’s a big NO NO for the powers that be. Many more people love him for what’s he’s done to the city than what he’s done on tape.
I’d still vote for the guy rather than the other parasites running the city.


MarcosSantiago said:
And I don't mean the official story. The duration of the taping and posproduction can be controlled. There is something else.
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Mimico has it on the "Smart leader". In addition to having good policy ideas, you actually have to have a lot of things go right. You need at least SOME charisma, and have to be a decent communicator. You need a fair amount of money too, or connections at least. You probably need to have had some exposure or experience as a public figure too, even if that's as a business or community leader and not a politician. Finally, you need the drive and the fight to actually get out and fight an election.

Ford actually has many of those characteristics. Just not any brains.

ZX600 said:
Not sure where you got the fact that i will only vote for Rob Ford! I don't remember saying that anywhere, maybe you can quote me if i am wrong.

If you give me to chose between Bill Clinton (blowjob Boy and Liar) and George Bush (War boy) I will vote for the guy that balanced the budget and left a surplus instead of the guy with "good family morals and christian" that put the country in shambles.

If I was still in Toronto as I was for the past 15 years and you gave me a better candidate, I will vote for that Candidate no questions asked.

I will be interested in Karen Stintz, we will see, at least she is not as much as a ****** bag politician as others it seems
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Fair enough, then. I read your posts as being a pretty strong Ford defence when some other folks were suggesting alternative candidates, but I'm not going to press the point.
 
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ZX600 said:
Not sure where you got the fact that i will only vote for Rob Ford! I don't remember saying that anywhere, maybe you can quote me if i am wrong.

If you give me to chose between Bill Clinton (blowjob Boy and Liar) and George Bush (War boy) I will vote for the guy that balanced the budget and left a surplus instead of the guy with "good family morals and christian" that put the country in shambles.

If I was still in Toronto as I was for the past 15 years and you gave me a better candidate, I will vote for that Candidate no questions asked.

I will be interested in Karen Stintz, we will see, at least she is not as much as a ****** bag politician as others it seems
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Stintz?

Do some more research on her before making any decision. Please. PLEASE.
 
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Or maybe Dingleberry Yawn, with all the pretentious wimps in this city he may be a perfect fit.
 
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http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/1...tintz-chow-and-tory-all-best-him-in-new-poll/

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I agree. Keep anyone from the TTC out of office. We had another idiot from TTC in public office. I forgot his name. Horrible people..



nfq said:
Stintz?

Do some more research on her before making any decision. Please. PLEASE.
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crankcall said:
Big question is how do you get a really smart guy to want the job of Mayor.
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Take away the right to vote for mayor from the public who are morons..Make it a business and have the council search the world for the best candidate. Pay that person very well, bonus them based on performance targets set and goals reached.
 
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