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backmarkerducati said:
While David Miller increased PT by 29% over his term, the median household income increased 7% in Toronto over the same time period. Look it up.
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Over this same time period, CUPE city workers got a little over a 20% pay increase (that is just the year to year contract increase), again while the median household income grew by only 7%. The other Unions were similar, this BTW has NOTHING to do with service increases or increases in the number of staff. This is just the pay increase from the Union contracts.
 
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I accidentally opened the first page of this thread just now and thought it was the latest news.
 
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tricky said:
"I never said I wanted to eat her ***** [...] I've got more than enough to eat at home."

Classy. As. ****.
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He just apologized for that comment and said that everything that came out yesterday is a lie.

Anyone have a count on how many 'last things' he's apologized for and how many things he's said were lies, so far, over the last several months?
 
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roadtoruin said:
Nope, pretty sure I'm attacking your message that it's absurd for people to still support the mayor, regardless of irrelevant opinions from people that don't even live in the city or pay taxes in the city in question where the voters are directly affected by the actions of city council and not someone from the 'burbs.
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backmarkerducati said:
I think you may have been the only one to comment on the actual numbers! The rest seem to just care about the shenanigans. Post 1339 has the numbers for budget, tax, etc if anyone is actually interested, I guess most are not...

http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforu...kicked-out!!&p=2104136&viewfull=1#post2104136

The reason why his support was and to a certain extent still is strong in the burbs is working families just do not have much more to give. Under Miller residential property tax increased over 29% while CPI only increased a little more than 16% over the same time. In addition he added the vehicle registration tax and the land transfer tax (plus a bunch of other user fees), in short he more than doubled inflation in costs to working families (they are the ones with cars, they are the ones buying homes...). While it is great to spend 2X to get 2X in services, that only works if you have a bunch of free money to pay the 2X in the first place, otherwise you stick to the used Chevy. Even worse, much (some would argue most) of the spending increases under Miller were not for what was needed (more services, better infrastructure) instead it was for pay increases for city employees, that also far outstretched inflation or what most of the working families see every year in pay increases. City employee pay is a fat chunk of the operating budget.

There is also a reason the Gardiner and infrastructure is failing, under spending on the things that really need it.

Personally, unless another candidate gets this I would vote for Ford again--because of this, shenanigans be damned.
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At the end of the day this is the reality.

People here seem to not understand that citizens are more concerned with been able to afford living then this idea of Toronto being a world class city! and the wrong perception the world will have of Toronto. When business are looking to invest into a city, the last thing they look is if the Mayor is smoking crack off a hooker's ***!

Yes Morally is wrong, I support the guy and I am ****** off about a few of the things he did but I would still vote for him as i did when I lived in Toronto
 
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backmarkerducati said:
There is also a reason the Gardiner and infrastructure is failing, under spending on the things that really need it.
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There was a fund set aside for repairs to The Gardiner. It wasn't spent. It's a substantial part of the money that people crowed was 'saved' by the city government, at the end of the year.
 
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ZX600 said:
At the end of the day this is the reality.

People here seem to not understand that citizens are more concerned with been able to afford living then this idea of Toronto being a world class city! and the wrong perception the world will have of Toronto. When business are looking to invest into a city, the last thing they look is if the Mayor is smoking crack off a hooker's ***!

Yes Morally is wrong, I support the guy and I am ****** off about a few of the things he did but I would still vote for him as i did when I lived in Toronto
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I can't see how this man can function anymore to fulfill his normal duties.

And saying you'll vote for him again, without knowing who the competition is, is silly. It's not so much the WHAT he has done, but the cover up and hiding it, that bothers many, including me. This man got caught. He's acting like a 15 year old who's cell phone privileges are in jeopardy and he doesn't care anymore.

I still think De-Amalgamating should be looked at.
 
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Rob MacLennan said:
There was a fund set aside for repairs to The Gardiner. It wasn't spent. It's a substantial part of the money that people crowed was 'saved' by the city government, at the end of the year.
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The things that need to happen, are not popular, will not get you votes, but they MUST be done.

This is akin to sitting down with a couple in their mid-50's who want to retire in 10 years and have only saved up $100K. Yes, it's a great sum of money, and you can say you have that going for you, but the living expenses and day-to-day things you don't think off later on, will cost 10 times that.

Replace the retired couple with City of Toronto, and living expenses with infrastructure/transit, and that's that folks.
 
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You'd figure a man in this type of power would learn to stop, think, and then speak....instead of speak, think, then apologize for stupid comment.

As per ZX600's comment about people...I fully agree...

Most people don't care about Ford and his problems, and isn't the voter turnout ridiculously low for city politics? They just want to live their lives in a safe city, where they can make enough money to enjoy their lives instead of being nickel and dimed by taxes, user fees, and whatever other levies are thrust upon them during the course of a typical year.

Toronto is expensive, and as a Toronto resident I would agree with a tax raise if it meant that services would be improved, or at least prevented from being cut. I'm no statistics guy, but if they increase the PT even a slight amount, this would sure mean various programs for children, the less fortunate, libraries, and the marginalized could at the very least be maintained at current levels.

Infrastructure is crumbling and every politician goes into the election with a 'no tax increase' promise. Well ********....sometimes we NEED a tax increase.

I would vote for the guy that would say 'I will raise taxes in order to improve this that and the other...we can't afford the current level of spending and we need to do this because (fill in blank) ... here is the way that I will be transparent to prove to you that we are doing what we said'

Find me that politician, and he won't survive to the next term because council will do away with him.
 
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nfq said:
The things that need to happen, are not popular, will not get you votes, but they MUST be done.

This is akin to sitting down with a couple in their mid-50's who want to retire in 10 years and have only saved up $100K. Yes, it's a great sum of money, and you can say you have that going for you, but the living expenses and day-to-day things you don't think off later on, will cost 10 times that.

Replace the retired couple with City of Toronto, and living expenses with infrastructure/transit, and that's that folks.
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And, on top of that, Toronto residents have been paying a disproportionately smaller amount in things like property tax, when compared to surrounding areas. Miller may have raised those taxes by a gazzilion percent, but it still didn't bring them up to that of the surrounding areas. This has gone on for far longer than Miller was in office and if any politician now stated that rates would go up to a reasonable level, when running for office, he'd be run out of town on a rail. The gap has simply become too large, for anyone to swallow all at once.
 
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Rob MacLennan said:
The gap has simply become too large, for anyone to swallow all at once.
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Rob, fully agree with your statement. And basically the gap doesn't have to be swallowed all at once. However I don't see or hear of any politician that is willing to go and say I will raise your taxes EACH year that I'm in office by XXX% to maintain and increase levels of service.

The general population will hear 'I will raise your taxes EACH year' and scream bloody murder.
 
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The problem with Miller raising property taxes wasn't that taxes were raised. It's that he spent 7 years doing nothing that had an effect that anyone noticed, so it felt like nobody got anything for all those increases.

The roads in this town are getting to be as bad as Montreal's. Every damn street on my commute is lumpy and cratered. That has not improved under three years of Ford either.

Of course I see the road crews patching the same sinkhole three times in one month and doing a crap job each time, so no surprises there. But a part of that is attitude. You want a nasty little penny-pinching small-time town, then that's what you'll get and that's what the work crews do. Go somewhere like Japan or Germany, it's a point of pride to have smooth roads, to fix problems properly and well. Saves way more money in the long run.

But that's not just a Toronto problem. That's a a Canadian problem in general. Small-time thinking, every time.

Every day I go over the Bloor viaduct, I wonder whatever happened to the town that could plan ahead like that. Toronto used to be renowned for good, forward planning.
 
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Nope, because value of property and associated costs are not the same.

*EDIT* Also the other jurisdictions don't have to repair decades worth of neglected infrastructure.

*'NOTHER EDIT* Nor do those other areas get the same level of service that Torontonians get.
 
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fastar1 in principle I fully agree with your view regarding services, but considering how wasteful and inefficient the government is at every level with our HARD EARNED money I rather keep it and take care of myself.

Look, there's a charismatic bum that I always give money to. On top of it, when I go on a big risky vacation give him a $20. That a direct service, without $19 going in bureaucrats pockets. Potholes? I rather change my ballpoints. Peace.

[video=youtube_share;3YR4CseY9pk]http://youtu.be/3YR4CseY9pk[/video]
 
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tricky said:
"I never said I wanted to eat her ***** [...] I've got more than enough to eat at home."

Classy. As. ****.
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mimico_polak said:
You'd figure a man in this type of power would learn to stop, think, and then speak....instead of speak, think, then apologize for stupid comment.

As per ZX600's comment about people...I fully agree...

Most people don't care about Ford and his problems, and isn't the voter turnout ridiculously low for city politics? They just want to live their lives in a safe city, where they can make enough money to enjoy their lives instead of being nickel and dimed by taxes, user fees, and whatever other levies are thrust upon them during the course of a typical year.

Toronto is expensive, and as a Toronto resident I would agree with a tax raise if it meant that services would be improved, or at least prevented from being cut. I'm no statistics guy, but if they increase the PT even a slight amount, this would sure mean various programs for children, the less fortunate, libraries, and the marginalized could at the very least be maintained at current levels.

Infrastructure is crumbling and every politician goes into the election with a 'no tax increase' promise. Well ********....sometimes we NEED a tax increase.

I would vote for the guy that would say 'I will raise taxes in order to improve this that and the other...we can't afford the current level of spending and we need to do this because (fill in blank) ... here is the way that I will be transparent to prove to you that we are doing what we said'

Find me that politician, and he won't survive to the next term because council will do away with him.
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You dont need to raise taxes, we pay enough taxes as it is, eliminating waste is the key.

Here is a rough break down of trying to live in toronto:

Property tax $4,000 or $333 a month
Income tax $25% of 60K = $15,000
Car assuming its financed or leased $300 a month, of which $ 39 a month or $468 a year is tax
Fuel $3,900 a year of that $1,300 is tax
Sticker for plate $80 (100% silly tax)
Groceries $ 200 a week or $10,400 a year, of which another $1,352 is tax

Phone/cable/internet $200 a month or $2,400 a year of which another $312 is tax

Car insurance $150 a month or $1800 a year

Hydro/gas/insurance $300 a month, of which once again $ 39 a month or $468 a year is tax

So that leaves us with $22,980 a year in taxes just for regular everyday folks to pay up. Not factoring in land transfer tax or buying clothes, anything for entertainment, hey your bike parts, track days, etc... that would be another 13% assuming you have any money left.

So where do you want to get that increased tax rate from?
 
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