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I am really not trying to get into a p!ssing contest here, but I feel like some of you red group guys may have forgotten what it is like to just be starting out.
Sure, in advanced group where you guys all ride super fast in close quarters and draft each other up the straight, shutting it down even a little on the straight is asking for it. But in the other groups, people (including the control riders!) are sometimes carefully slowing down to allow others to pass. It's not so unusual. I have never been to a track day where, at the riders' meeting, someone announced a "rule" that you were required to keep it pinned on the straight. The "rule" in green and yellow is usually something like "don't make sudden line changes, and leave lots of space when you pass." I didn't see anyone violating that in the linked video.
And seriously...you expect people bringing their taped-up street bikes to a couple track days a year to adjust their final drive gearing to suit? You figure that hapens a lot?
I do listen to and appreciate the good advice from the experienced guys around here...but sometimes you can lay it on a bit thick.
That said, I do take meme's point that relatively novice riders at track days should be paying more attention to their riding, and be less worried about positioning themselves to get good GoPro footage!
Sure, in advanced group where you guys all ride super fast in close quarters and draft each other up the straight, shutting it down even a little on the straight is asking for it. But in the other groups, people (including the control riders!) are sometimes carefully slowing down to allow others to pass. It's not so unusual. I have never been to a track day where, at the riders' meeting, someone announced a "rule" that you were required to keep it pinned on the straight. The "rule" in green and yellow is usually something like "don't make sudden line changes, and leave lots of space when you pass." I didn't see anyone violating that in the linked video.
And seriously...you expect people bringing their taped-up street bikes to a couple track days a year to adjust their final drive gearing to suit? You figure that hapens a lot?
I do listen to and appreciate the good advice from the experienced guys around here...but sometimes you can lay it on a bit thick.
That said, I do take meme's point that relatively novice riders at track days should be paying more attention to their riding, and be less worried about positioning themselves to get good GoPro footage!
left it? lol. i stalled mid corner, rolled off into the grass as the pack went by. tried to start it 3 or 4 times after the pack was already past, then hopped off and pushed it out of the way.Maybe because you're mistaken? I didn't touch the brakes at all. I continued to speed up, but I wasn't WOT.
I cannot take 'safety' tips from a person who takes his bike off the track and leaves it in an impact zone, btw. Remember your breakdown a few weeks back at GB? Let's not have you discuss what's safe and what isn't.Next time that happens, roll your bike out of the impact zone ASAP.
where in my post did i say you touched the brakes?
Are you serious? Rarely post? Assumptions? Anyone ever told you you don't take direction well? Most of your posts are trying to argue back at someone posting....
Give it and take it chicklet. Quit the hussy fits
stormcat
Well-known member
I'm just breaking your chops because you're breaking mine.
It sounded to me like you said I slowed down suddenly. I didn't. I maintained my speed. Tony's bike, which is track dedicated, is a heck of a lot faster than mine. I didn't need to roll off the throttle for him to pass me.
Question about gearing on my taped up street bike (07 R1). It's got a -2/+1 on it now, top speed is 286kph at the rev limiter. Would I be likely to hit the limiter at Mosport? I know for sure I ain't going to be hitting it at TMP
-Jamie M.
Would I be likely to hit the limiter at Mosport? I know for sure I ain't going to be hitting it at TMP
not even close
killerkeith
Well-known member
Stormcat, take the advice and say thank-you.
Damn! And I thought my gearing was totally too short for the track! lol.
Good to know. Thanks.
-Jamie M.
You make some good and reasonable points regarding expectations of riders with non dedicated bikes, however any school or TD I've been to, has told everyone to hold their line (which should be the race line), and the faster people will get by you safely.
I think you and Meme are spot on with regards to the GoPro footage, way too much of that going on, or buddies trying to ride together, makes for a very dangerous situation as they do become unpredictable either slowing or chasing to get with their friend and changing lines unpredictably.
stormcat
Well-known member
Let me point a few things out here:
1. I back off if I feel I cannot give someone a wide birth in passing them. I do not want to put anyone in any danger. Anyone who has ever ridden with me can attest to that.
2. I do not ride erratically. I.e., I don't hit the brakes for no apparent reason. I do not throttle chop. I am not wandering all over the track. I hold my line.
3. I have never stuffed someone in a corner.
I think calling me "dangerous" is a pretty huge assumption. Moreover, are some of you implying that having a GoPro to be able to review your riding is nothing more than narcissistic? I use it as a tool. I go over all my footage critically. The vids I slap together are just for fun. You know, like a LOT of people do.
That said, I think it's kind of ironic, Meme, that you commented that someone doesn't know what they're talking about in regards to another subject in this thread, yet you're sitting here making completely incorrect assumptions about the motivations of others. Please practice what you preach.
I hope this clears some things up.
1. I back off if I feel I cannot give someone a wide birth in passing them. I do not want to put anyone in any danger. Anyone who has ever ridden with me can attest to that.
2. I do not ride erratically. I.e., I don't hit the brakes for no apparent reason. I do not throttle chop. I am not wandering all over the track. I hold my line.
3. I have never stuffed someone in a corner.
I think calling me "dangerous" is a pretty huge assumption. Moreover, are some of you implying that having a GoPro to be able to review your riding is nothing more than narcissistic? I use it as a tool. I go over all my footage critically. The vids I slap together are just for fun. You know, like a LOT of people do.
That said, I think it's kind of ironic, Meme, that you commented that someone doesn't know what they're talking about in regards to another subject in this thread, yet you're sitting here making completely incorrect assumptions about the motivations of others. Please practice what you preach.
I hope this clears some things up.
stormcat
Well-known member
This isn't the first time your riding habits and attitude have been mentioned..
killerkeith
Well-known member
And this is why I never EVER post any videos on this forum. Too many ***holes on their high horses making hypocritical judgments on others. If you're gonna criticize, at least make it constructive, give examples, etc.
Stormcat, bet you regret posting that vid now
(lol and you were worried about youtube comments)
Stormcat, bet you regret posting that vid now
(lol and you were worried about youtube comments)
And this is why I never EVER post any videos on this forum. Too many ***holes on their high horses making hypocritical judgments on others. If you're gonna criticize, at least make it constructive, give examples, etc.
Stormcat, bet you regret posting that vid now
(lol and you were worried about youtube comments)
There was constructive criticism provided ... it was ignored.
The issue is people that do a couple of trackdays, believing that they are now an expert and continually freak out when those with FAR more experience offer safety related advice.
The video CLEARLY shows several VERY unsafe actions that should have had the rider black flagged and parked.
The video CLEARLY shows several VERY unsafe actions that should have had the rider black flagged and parked.
If he was black flagged would they just make him sit out that session and tell him what he was doing wrong? I couldn't see them ending his day?
And on the sheet for TMP it says "no wheelies"... I assume they mean no clutch or 12 o'clock wheelies? Power wheelies coming out of the corners with the front a few inches off the ground is ok?
-Jamie M.
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