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August 23rd... Riders choice at Mosport...

stormcat said:
Yay! I look forward to seeing them. :)

I made a super cheesy vid with our footage from the second session (novice):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfwD0D5UU5o&list=UUjl_cKeKtg2tN0Quxtw8hdw&index=1&feature=plcp

No hating please! ;) I've never ridden Mosport before. I found it hard to not keep rolling off the throttle and over brake. It would be nice to get a few more days there to get to know the track and start to feel comfortable.
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You guys are going to get someone hurt real bad slowing down and then speeding up on the back straight like that. My jaw dropped at 1 min 46.
 
Jayv said:
You guys are going to get someone hurt real bad slowing down and then speeding up on the back straight like that. My jaw dropped at 1 min 46.
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Mosport isn't really a beginner track, is it. I tend to glance at the marshal stand on the back straight now and again..just in case..
 
Jayv said:
You guys are going to get someone hurt real bad slowing down and then speeding up on the back straight like that. My jaw dropped at 1 min 46.
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DON'T slow down on the back straightaway like that ... in that video, there were a lot of people getting it wrong.

I've known 2 people who were hurt in collisions coming over the crest into turn 8 because of that. If someone comes over that crest tapped out on a liter bike (280 km/h) there is NO time to react if someone is plodding along slowly there.
 
Jayv said:
You guys are going to get someone hurt real bad slowing down and then speeding up on the back straight like that. My jaw dropped at 1 min 46.
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At 1:43 when he passed those super slow moving bikes, were they 250's? Not able to get big speed on the big straight?

And what about right after that, around 1:47, it sounded like he was in 6th gear instead of 2nd gear?? Yikes!

-Jamie M.
 
toysareforboys said:
At 1:43 when he passed those super slow moving bikes, were they 250's? Not able to get big speed on the big straight?

And what about right after that, around 1:47, it sounded like he was in 6th gear instead of 2nd gear?? Yikes!

-Jamie M.
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First off, he held his line. It wasn't as if he was erratic and suddenly moved to the centre of the asphalt. I'm sure he was very much aware of who was around him. Although, I think you guys might be a bit confused. I passed the super slow bikes at 1:43. That's my GoPro footage you're seeing there. Any rear-facing footage is mine. Any front facing footage is his. Get it? ;)

Second, this was only our second session ever on that track. We started out the session where I warmed up my tires a bit and asked him to pass and show me his lines (at 1:01). After that, I passed him (I'm the one who blew past him at 1:47). He came in slow and remained slow on the straight so I could pass him and he could follow and see if my lines improved at all. He did not hit the binders while in the straight.

I have no idea what gear he was in, but it's doubtful he was in 6th! But then again, I have no idea. I ride my own bike. ;)

I'm surprised none of you commented on my hitting the rev limiter at 0:55. That poor bike!

EDIT: And as for getting hit, there was one session where I crested a grade on the back straight and the 250s and some slower 600s were clogging the entire width of the asphalt. I managed to not hit them and get around without a problem.
 
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If you need help with lines at any track day speak to one of the organizers be it Pro6 or Riders Choice, Racer5, GWB etc etc they will help you.

They will send an experienced rider out there with you to help.

The key word there is experienced, honestly the riding in that video was damn right dangerous.
 
Jayv said:
If you need help with lines at any track day speak to one of the organizers be it Pro6 or Riders Choice, Racer5, GWB etc etc they will help you.

They will send an experienced rider out there with you to help.

The key word there is experienced, honestly the riding in that video was damn right dangerous.
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By your logic than the 250s should have their own session and not be with the 600s and litre bikes in novice. There was nothing dangerous about the riding. Tony stayed with the 250s, at their pace. I'm certainly not going to do 100 kph down the back straight to match the 250s. Why should I? And if they can pass me in T5 (which many did), then more power to them.

Speaking of safety, there seem to be some riders who completely ignored the blend line. DO NOT CROSS OVER THE BLEND LINE WHEN COMING ONTO THE TRACK! My Gawd! Sorry for yelling, but one rider seemed determined to take me out one session he/she came out of the chute and immediately crossed the blend line into my path. A lot of other riders wouldn't wait until the end of that line, either, to cut in.

Please respect the blend line. It's there for a very good reason.
 
Geez guys, sanctimonious much?

In that video I saw some novice group riders taking it easy around Mosport. Yes there was passing with big speed differentials, but it was on the upslope of the straight where everyone could see what was going on, and the guys allowing themselves to be passed looked to be holding their lines very nicely. Sure, there were a few funky corner lines here and there as the guys were learning the track, but no random darting around.

If I had been behind them I would not have had a problem with any of it.

Not everyone pins it the whole way up the Andretti straight in green group (or even intermediate), and if there are 125's on the track you are going to have over 100 kph on them by the bridge regardless. That's a trackday at Mosport.

100% agree about having an expert show you the lines though. T2 claims lots of guys who decide they'll just figure the track out on their own.
 
invictus43 said:
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When I was at the DOCC day this year, some of the guys on the 2-valvers with short gearing didn't like having the bike at redline in sixth for the last 1/3 of the straight. It can be a bit unnerving in terms of what you are asking of the motor. Other people in novice group on more powerful bikes get a bit spooked when they are approaching 250 km / h or whatever. Whether it's nerves or a simple lack of hp, substantial speed differences on the back straight are just something you deal with at Mosport. If everyone plays nice it is no problem.
 
Jayv said:
You guys are going to get someone hurt real bad slowing down and then speeding up on the back straight like that. My jaw dropped at 1 min 46.
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After watching this vidio all i ca say is most of you are a crash waiting to happen. Like really come on shuting the gas off on the back str8 and waving your arm so your friend can pass you. Has got to be one of the most dangerous and stupidest things i have seen.
Most of you have no bissness being on the track and even more so a track like mosport.
 
YellowDuck said:
When I was at the DOCC day this year, some of the guys on the 2-valvers with short gearing didn't like having the bike at redline in sixth for the last 1/3 of the straight. It can be a bit unnerving in terms of what you are asking of the motor. Other people in novice group on more powerful bikes get a bit spooked when they are approaching 250 km / h or whatever. Whether it's nerves or a simple lack of hp, substantial speed differences on the back straight are just something you deal with at Mosport. If everyone plays nice it is no problem.
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why do people show up at the racetrack with an improperly configured bike(wrong gearing?) you know you're going to a racetrack, configure the bike as such.

They've obviously changed the final drive ratio to suit slower tracks if they're hitting the rev limiter, so why not take 20min to change it back with OEM gearing?

people slowing down and speeding up is NOT playing nice, its dangerous.
 
reciprocity said:
why do people show up at the racetrack with an improperly configured bike(wrong gearing?) you know you're going to a racetrack, configure the bike as such.

They've obviously changed the final drive ratio to suit slower tracks if they're hitting the rev limiter, so why not take 20min to change it back with OEM gearing?

people slowing down and speeding up is NOT playing nice, its dangerous.
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Seriously..it's a RACE TRACK!!!! It's not a bouncy castle.. On top of that, it's Mosport. Yeesh..
 
stormcat said:
By your logic than the 250s should have their own session and not be with the 600s and litre bikes in novice. There was nothing dangerous about the riding. Tony stayed with the 250s, at their pace. I'm certainly not going to do 100 kph down the back straight to match the 250s. Why should I? And if they can pass me in T5 (which many did), then more power to them.

Speaking of safety, there seem to be some riders who completely ignored the blend line. DO NOT CROSS OVER THE BLEND LINE WHEN COMING ONTO THE TRACK! My Gawd! Sorry for yelling, but one rider seemed determined to take me out one session he/she came out of the chute and immediately crossed the blend line into my path. A lot of other riders wouldn't wait until the end of that line, either, to cut in.

Please respect the blend line. It's there for a very good reason.
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CLEARLY the point is unexpectedly changing speed randomly on a straight. A long straight. Next time an experienced person makes a very valid point, especially about something that can get people killed, instead of defending your actions in a very ridiculous way just say "ok, thank you, next time I won't randomly park it 2/3 of the way down a straight when theres very possibly someone or a pack of bikes right behind me"
 
YellowDuck said:
When I was at the DOCC day this year, some of the guys on the 2-valvers with short gearing didn't like having the bike at redline in sixth for the last 1/3 of the straight. It can be a bit unnerving in terms of what you are asking of the motor. Other people in novice group on more powerful bikes get a bit spooked when they are approaching 250 km / h or whatever. Whether it's nerves or a simple lack of hp, substantial speed differences on the back straight are just something you deal with at Mosport. If everyone plays nice it is no problem.
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I do agree somewhat..I've dealt with vintage bikes before at Mosport..the rule is, you stick to the left side of the track, hold your line and keep it pinned. Brian P said it very clearly..at 260kmh over the top of the hill, you're not making any quick line changes..
 
Gotta agree with you guys. As a beginner you don't know what the heck yer doing. Coming up behind you I don't either (know what you are about to do). Easiest thing for all involved is to be predictable and ride your own ride. Friends are fun at tds but it isn't a social ride when your session comes up. Do your own laps and nevermind who's on track with you. Hold your line and be consistent.
 
stormcat said:
I'm surprised none of you commented on my hitting the rev limiter at 0:55. That poor bike!
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I watched a pro racer guy just RIDE his rev limiter for a few seconds at the end of one of the straights, every single lap! When he came in I asked him why he used the rev limiter so much and he said "It's faster than changing up a gear, then back down for the corner" lol. Your bike can take it, that's why it has a limiter!

-Jamie M.
 
kellen said:
CLEARLY the point is unexpectedly changing speed randomly on a straight. A long straight. Next time an experienced person makes a very valid point, especially about something that can get people killed, instead of defending your actions in a very ridiculous way just say "ok, thank you, next time I won't randomly park it 2/3 of the way down a straight when theres very possibly someone or a pack of bikes right behind me"
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Maybe because you're mistaken? I didn't touch the brakes at all. I continued to speed up, but I wasn't WOT.

I cannot take 'safety' tips from a person who takes his bike off the track and leaves it in an impact zone, btw. Remember your breakdown a few weeks back at GB? Let's not have you discuss what's safe and what isn't. ;) Next time that happens, roll your bike out of the impact zone ASAP.
 
stormcat said:
Maybe because you're mistaken? I didn't touch the brakes at all. I continued to speed up, but I wasn't WOT.

I cannot take 'safety' tips from a person who takes his bike off the track and leaves it in an impact zone, btw. Remember your breakdown a few weeks back at GB? Let's not have you discuss what's safe and what isn't. ;) Next time that happens, roll your bike out of the impact zone ASAP.
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