zx10r or gsxr?

[Shaman]

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I'm curious to understand just HOW different a litre bike can be? Can anyone put it into words? I refuse to believe that it's going to be as big of a jump as moving from a 250 to a 600... or is it?

Yes and no. Think of the power that a 600 makes at around 12,000 RPM. That's the kind of acceleration a 1000 has available at moderate engine speeds. Or thought of another way, a 1000 has similar acceleration in 5th as a 600 has in 2nd. Thought of yet another way, if you were to nail the throttle on both bikes, in those gears, at say 5,000 RPM, the 1000 will walk away. Helpful? I dunno.

In daily riding, the 1000 in some ways is both much better and much worse... you don't use the gears or the revs much unless you're willing to break the law flagrantly. But the ability to ride it sedately without getting frustrated by shifting from fifth to second gear just to pass a car as you might on the 600 makes them better road bikes for a lot of us. On the other hand, when you wring the guts out of a 1000 on the race track, you might find that the power is absolutely for the experienced, and the brave, and none other. Which is part of why I laugh at people who ask me "why didn't you buy a HP4 instead of your RSV4?" as they have no idea what a litre bike with 180hp is really capable of except for pointing it in a straight line and monkey-fisting the throttle. I had a *faster* bike than the S1000RR and sold it, as there was little point on the street.

Anyway, I'll get off the soapbox.

 

[triggerhappy]

I'm curious to understand just HOW different a litre bike can be? Can anyone put it into words? I refuse to believe that it's going to be as big of a jump as moving from a 250 to a 600... or is it?

Videos are better than words:

[video=youtube_share;Ji5SCZ7um-g]http://youtu.be/Ji5SCZ7um-g[/video]

 

[Shaman]

Yep. Ever wheelied 4th gear just getting on the throttle? On a 1000, you may. Ever spun the tire coming out of 200km/h corner? On a 1000, you may. Ever tried to come out of Allan's (sp?) corner at Shannonville on to the front straight and have the front end lift off in the transition at half throttle in 2nd gear? On a 1000, you may. Which is why again, people shouldn't be shopping specs with the litre bikes really, they should be shopping features and looks... they're all RIDICULOUSLY fast and the fastest ones are actually so quick that even most hardcore riders aren't the equal of them, look how many Panigale, S1000RR, etc. riders are in the Intermediate/Yellow track day groups...

 

[murf]

I've heard road racers say the ZX10R was unridable at speed.

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Non sense, a steering damper and no issues, even landing wheelies after the third crest on Mosports back straight at well over 200 km/hr I never had an issue.

 

[Rossi86]

I'm curious to understand just HOW different a litre bike can be? Can anyone put it into words? I refuse to believe that it's going to be as big of a jump as moving from a 250 to a 600... or is it?

Let's put it this way, I had 2 GSXR750s before I got a GSXR1000. When I first rode the 1000, the first thought in my mind was "what have I been missing this whole time I've been riding?!" When I swapped bikes with my buddy, the Daytona 675 felt like it was broken when I went WOT. I have a GSXR600 for the track and it doesn't come close to the 1000. Compared to the 600 and 750s I've had, the 1000 is more refined and a better bike all round. The power delivery is much smoother and the midrange is simply amazing.

 

[Dresden]

Videos are better than words:

[video=youtube_share;Ji5SCZ7um-g]http://youtu.be/Ji5SCZ7um-g[/video]

I knew it was fast. That's mental.

Edit: Is that a 4th gear power wheelie @ 170 km/h?

 

[dricked]

Most likely 3rd depending on gearing. Stock first gear will hit 140, 150 if you want to hit the rev limiter.

 

[murf]

That was 2nd or third. First is good for 160 +

 

[ZX600]

I've never ridden a litre bike.. I've only ridden 600's (gsxrs, R6's, older zx6rs).. and I noticed quite a difference between them.. ie. R6's are babies down low and can really compress the rear once the power kicks in at higher rpms.. whereas my gsxr600 has excellent mid-range punch.

I'm curious to understand just HOW different a litre bike can be? Can anyone put it into words? I refuse to believe that it's going to be as big of a jump as moving from a 250 to a 600... or is it?

Between a 600 and a 1000 to put it in technical terms... it is huge

 

[Apollo95]

litre bike is just great.
best use for road is less shifting. but really, it is overkill, 600cc is overkill. passing is so much easier and safer.


also litre bike, 8k-10k range… you hit Magic. seriously. (although magic range differs from one manufacturer to next)

 

[Deleted member 40275]

Looks like I need to see what all the fuss is about... I always thought my GSXR was quick... even in a straight line I figured it was quick. I guess notttt.

Will try to get some seat time on a 1000 this coming season. Will report back (either from home or the hospital).

 

[Shaman]

That feeling of awe when you hit fifth gear and the bike continues to accelerate like a bullet... that feeling of terror when you're on the throttle through corner 4 at 'bogie and the bike power-slides all the way out to the grass at 200km/h...

 

[ajaxguy]

I have an erection from all this talk..... im gonna go sit on my R1

 

[caboose56]

Hitting the crest on the back straight at Tremblant in 6th gear around 11,000rpm.. then drop down the back side and the tach jumps to 13,000rpm in the blink of an eye.

Ya, they are hilarious!

I have to wonder if that 10R in the video is running different sized sprockets. Mine is good for about 275kph top speed but it will still read 299 on the speedo.. and it doesn't take long to get there.

 

[ZX600]

I have an erection from all this talk..... im gonna go sit on my R1

I have a street 750 and a race prepared 1000 sitting in my garage, I'm gonna go sit on the 750 just to piss you off

 

[KeepCalm]

The GSX-R750 is a great bike, it's almost the best of both worlds....but i could sit here and talk about which of these bikes is better for various reasons. Honestly you have to ride a liter bike to understand the raw power they have through out the whole power band. A 750 can get you in the same trouble as well... so it doesn't really matter what you choose, it really comes down to what you can afford in terms of maintenance, insurance etc.


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[Dresden]

litre bike is just great.
best use for road is less shifting. but really, it is overkill, 600cc is overkill. passing is so much easier and safer.


also litre bike, 8k-10k range… you hit Magic. seriously. (although magic range differs from one manufacturer to next)

I hated my 600 when riding with 750/1000 rider's. What they could do in 6th gear cruising along, I had to drop a gear to do. There isn't much pull in the 5/6th gears on a 600cc... nowhere in comparison to the Litre bikes.

 

[zeniceguy]

Don't forget about gas. My 1000 uses up a lot more fuel.

 

[Shaman]

At the track, my 600 uses more fuel than the 1000. All the revs, I suppose. Go figure.

 

[dsburfitt]

750 is probably the forgiving all rounder and probably the better choice for a street bike


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