There are lots of professional moto journalists who have asked the question of whether litre bikes are now redundant, when 600s are now making over 130hp.
Maybe if we all lived in Germany and commuted on der autobahn, it would matter.
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zx10r or gsxr?
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There are lots of professional moto journalists who have asked the question of whether litre bikes are now redundant, when 600s are now making over 130hp.
Maybe if we all lived in Germany and commuted on der autobahn, it would matter.
Oth
130hp (at the flywheel) versus upwards of 180 horses at the rear wheel of some liter bikes... LOL, no comparison. And the 600s still have no torque, regardless of the peak horsepower figure. They'll always feel gutless on the road once you're used to big-boy bikes. Has nothing to do with limits... 1K torque is accessible and usable at all speeds.
130hp (at the flywheel) versus upwards of 180 horses at the rear wheel of some liter bikes... LOL, no comparison. And the 600s still have no torque, regardless of the peak horsepower figure. They'll always feel gutless on the road once you're used to big-boy bikes. Has nothing to do with limits... 1K torque is accessible and usable at all speeds.
750s fit the bill for this nicely. In the next few years, 600 turbos.
Big torque and power is fine on a soft, pre-warmed, slick on dry track, but the reality is more riders killed themselves of those high powered 2000s bikes because they had too much power for street bikes. The stats 2000 -2010 are ridiculous. They sold a lot of bikes with big power and frames, brakes and suspension that were not adequate.
Of course, that's just numbers and averages, and the funny thing about averages, is that everybody believes they are better than average, and no one is ever in the bottom half of the average number pool.
So the game is now sell 170, 180, 190 hp bikes with electronic controls so that power is never used. Bike manufacturers have to do this because: 1. numbers sell, and 2. they killed off a lot of customers in the last decade.
..and you need 60ftlbs of torque around town because...?
"need" lol nobody NEEDS a motorcycle at all
I WANT the power because its FUN
Not my problem some idiots out there can't handle it
Shaman
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Precisely.
And FWIW, the power of a 1000 has nothing to do with how people kill themselves on these bikes (or very little, at least). A 100hp bike is FAR AND AWAY fast/quick enough to kill a person stone dead. You could easily do it on a 250 Ninja, and people have.
The real problem is a complete lack of rider training and the mentality of people who can't ride well (or sanely) PERIOD no matter what you put them on. I personally hurt myself as bad on a GT 80 as I did on my GSX-R 1000s over the years. I think the GT 80 would have struggled to make over 10hp and would barely pull me up a steep hill.
And FWIW, the power of a 1000 has nothing to do with how people kill themselves on these bikes (or very little, at least). A 100hp bike is FAR AND AWAY fast/quick enough to kill a person stone dead. You could easily do it on a 250 Ninja, and people have.
The real problem is a complete lack of rider training and the mentality of people who can't ride well (or sanely) PERIOD no matter what you put them on. I personally hurt myself as bad on a GT 80 as I did on my GSX-R 1000s over the years. I think the GT 80 would have struggled to make over 10hp and would barely pull me up a steep hill.
muay_thai_dan
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indeed.
JFD
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I agree to a point. If you don't have a clutch control, a 1000 will be way more of a surprise than a 250 would. Add the wide eyed freeze to the mix and it's a different outcome most likely.
Shaman
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Nobody should learn how to ride on a 1000. I think everyone would agree with that.
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