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Yet another shooting in the USA - 2
- Thread starter TheNewDude
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Never said that...but I'll admit...if you ever get attacked by a static paper person I'll agree you're perfectly prepared.
Gixxer6
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First you can't answer a simple question but rather dance around it to avoid admitting you know **** all about it. Then you tell some BS story about your close "SEAL" friend who you claim says seals aren't able to hit their targets in combat (LOL) and now you are playing the guilt card because I should have known your made up friend had PTSD?
What's next? I should shut up because you are an MMA champion?
LOL
STFU
You're just another internet BS'er
I thought you were bowing out, guess you just couldn't resist or keep your word. I'm not playing the guilt card i'm calling you out on your ignorance. Maybe it's just your arrogance that you can't admit that people miss in the heat of the moment that's why there have been far too many friendly fire incidences involving highly trained special forces units. You say you spend all day at a range and that's great but if you're in the situation that the 2 officers in NYC were in, in which a random guy pulls a gun on you in the middle of a crowded street, in fact already has a gun out and pointed at you before you reach for yours, then i would imagine the pucker facter may cause you to throw a few stray shots as well.
And what's with "lol"ing at your own comments.
So training is effectively pointless right?
And now at a shopping mall in New Jersey.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/jersey-shopping-plaza-shootout-leaves-dead/story?id=17124439#.UECnVpYuYgx
http://abcnews.go.com/US/jersey-shopping-plaza-shootout-leaves-dead/story?id=17124439#.UECnVpYuYgx
Are all Olympic shooters seasoned combat veterans? We're talking different things here....going to a range and shooting targets means you're training for shooting targets. If you add combat training to that then yes...you're training for combat.
Youre ignorant. You dont know anything about shooting, training, or what it takes to be proficient with a handgun.
Come back when you've done some pistol training and we can revisit this discussion.
Gixxer6
Well-known member
Effective training is never pointless if you are doing it properly, fundamental training is absolutely necessary for all aspects of life. It seems that you are missing the dynamic aspect of this situation. If I may reference professional athletes in regards to this situation; gone are the days of only practicing slap shots, wrist shots and skating in pro hockey, players and teams practice for any and all possible situations with limited practice for the fundmentals because the likelyhood of a player standing alone 15 feet in front of a goaltender or an empty net is unlikely thats why they don't train that way. The same change needs to be made in policing as the likelyhood of an officer facing off in front of a silhoutted, stationary target with no weapon is not a likely scenario. RMEMEDIC referenced simunition, which I googled and found that they cost approximately $500 for 1000 rounds which makes them much more expensive then regular rounds and likely makes them a non option for most police agencies. Simunition seems to be great for dynamic training purposes as long as those training scenarios mimick real life situations.
And this too.
Im not missing anything.
The more trigger time you have, the better you develop CRUCIAL muscle memory and good habits for drawing and shooting a gun quickly and accurately. Period.
Does stress affect the situation? Yes. Will it have less of an impact on a well trained individual who shoots tens of thousands of rounds per year? Youre god damned right.
Move along, kids.
The more trigger time you have, the better you develop CRUCIAL muscle memory and good habits for drawing and shooting a gun quickly and accurately. Period.
Does stress affect the situation? Yes. Will it have less of an impact on a well trained individual who shoots tens of thousands of rounds per year? Youre god damned right.
Move along, kids.
I play Call of Duty on the PS3.....let me at those terrorists....I must be an expert.
I have done pistol training but I'm not arrogant or naive enough to think that I am perfectly trained to take on people shooting back at me. I'm reasonably profficient at shooting at static paper targets, if you have action gun training then you're probably reasonably proficient at shooting at moving paper targets and discriminating between good paper targets and bad paper targets. If you have military/police/special ops/bodyguard training above that then you're even better trained...if you have field experience then you're even better trained. See where I'm going?
To be less rude:
You're not understanding that practicing the physical motions of drawing a gun and pointing it (keyword: point; not aim) at a target quickly is something that develops muscle memory so that you're able to do it quickly without thinking. This means that in a stressful or sudden situation your body will go through the motion more precisely and accurately.
To dismiss this as unimportant is to be a complete and ignorant fool. Dont tell me youve trained. You obviously havent. You also dont understand how this skill develops and how it feels when you shoot thousands of rounds per year through your gun, instead of the mandated 100 for cops.
You're not understanding that practicing the physical motions of drawing a gun and pointing it (keyword: point; not aim) at a target quickly is something that develops muscle memory so that you're able to do it quickly without thinking. This means that in a stressful or sudden situation your body will go through the motion more precisely and accurately.
To dismiss this as unimportant is to be a complete and ignorant fool. Dont tell me youve trained. You obviously havent. You also dont understand how this skill develops and how it feels when you shoot thousands of rounds per year through your gun, instead of the mandated 100 for cops.
You guys can stop insulting each other or I can take out the ban hammer. Your choice
Never said anything of the sort.
Training is crucial. The more you train, the better you are with a gun and the less you're affected by external pressures. Active shooters who practice drawing and pointing on a regular basis are 10x better prepared than cops who only do the mandatory qualifications once a year. This is an indisputable fact of life.
In fact I'll bet $50 that the cop who stood his ground and fired with both hands is the one who actually scored the lethal hits, and I'll bet he takes his training way more seriously than his partner who was backing away and shooting single-hands.
Your dismissal of the importance of range training for real life effectiveness is comical.
Training is crucial. The more you train, the better you are with a gun and the less you're affected by external pressures. Active shooters who practice drawing and pointing on a regular basis are 10x better prepared than cops who only do the mandatory qualifications once a year. This is an indisputable fact of life.
In fact I'll bet $50 that the cop who stood his ground and fired with both hands is the one who actually scored the lethal hits, and I'll bet he takes his training way more seriously than his partner who was backing away and shooting single-hands.
Your dismissal of the importance of range training for real life effectiveness is comical.
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kickstartt
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oh ****, now its a marine. Gotta be suffering from PTSD.
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Sigh....comprehension is all here. I never said that at all. Please read again carefully. You seem to willfully misunderstand statements because they don't fit into your angry rhetoric. I'm seriously done on this one with you.
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