REDD77
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Thats the spirit. Thats what the internet was intended for in the first place.
Why Android is better than iPhone.
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Thats the spirit. Thats what the internet was intended for in the first place.
iridebikes
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Off you go!
Viruses are not exclusive to open source operating systems. As you mentioned windows (which certainly is not open source) has a severe problem with them. If you jailbreak your iPhone and download apps from unreliable sources, you make it as susceptible to viruses as an android phone. "Viruses" come with popularity.
It frustrates me when people keep repeating the bold part. That is completely untrue. You don't have to run into fragmentation. This is the basic architecture of android:
(source http://developer.android.com/guide/basics/what-is-android.html)
Read this. The kernel layer provides abstraction between the hardware and the rest of the software stack, in other words, applications SHOULD NOT need to know what type of RAM, flash, camera, cpu, etc they run on. All they should care about is if a certain service is available and act accordingly when it is not available.
Let's use windows as an example again. It's capable of running on various chipsets and use a variety of devices. How is that possible? The answer is simple, a hardware abstraction layer. MsPaint doesn't care what monitor, video card, etc is used to display to the screen.
iridebikes
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Except the applications and developers clearly do care, because many popular apps run on some android phones and not on others. The problem is real and it exists, how many more devs need to speak up about it?
I never said that they don't care, I said they should not care (if the model was followed by people munging android code around), except for few and far between cases. One such case I can think of is underpowered graphics card, but that's nothing new for game development. You write for xbox you know the hardware, you write for pc you list minimum hardware requirements.
iridebikes
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What do you mean few and far? Even a company as big and rich as Netflix had problems developing for the platform and their software quite plainly wouldn't work on a lot of the devices out there. Those guys who made that Angry Birds game (Rovio I think?) said the same thing... they gave up and put out a list of phones the game won't work on.
If experienced developers with deep pockets like that have issues with their software on Android then its clearly an issue with the operating system and its implementation on various devices. That's the nature of the beast. Sure there's an abstraction layer but that's absolutely meaningless... you can't JUST develop for an OS, you have to develop with hardware in mind as well. You don't expect to pop a new video game into ANY windows computer in the world and have it run just fine, do you? That's a ****** problem to have to deal with on phones now too.
Phones should be like consoles... you don't buy an xbox360 game and then worry about coming home and finding it doesn't work on your particular xbox. It's ridiculous.
If experienced developers with deep pockets like that have issues with their software on Android then its clearly an issue with the operating system and its implementation on various devices. That's the nature of the beast. Sure there's an abstraction layer but that's absolutely meaningless... you can't JUST develop for an OS, you have to develop with hardware in mind as well. You don't expect to pop a new video game into ANY windows computer in the world and have it run just fine, do you? That's a ****** problem to have to deal with on phones now too.
Phones should be like consoles... you don't buy an xbox360 game and then worry about coming home and finding it doesn't work on your particular xbox. It's ridiculous.
I think this pretty much sums up why we feel differently. You want phone=console, me phone=pc. Pluses and minuses for each. See ya.
iridebikes
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I can agree with that, that's fine. I just think the bulk of the consumer market might lean more towards wanting a functional device like a console, and not something overly complicated like a PC with all sorts of potential incompatibility issues with the various software out there.
This might explain why PC gaming is dying, and also why Apple has been gaining such a large share in the laptop and even desktop computer markets. The non-geeks and casual users out there want simplicity and reliability. They don't wanna tinker.
This might explain why PC gaming is dying, and also why Apple has been gaining such a large share in the laptop and even desktop computer markets. The non-geeks and casual users out there want simplicity and reliability. They don't wanna tinker.
You keep going back to a PC OS discussion when we are talking about a mobile one. The differences are huge. One of the differences is that Android is the only open mobile OS out there. Windows Mobile Phone Live 7 (or whatever its being called now) requires you to go through a marketplace approval process just like iOS. When you use a "jailbreaK" you have essential gone the Open Source route with iOS.
It frustrates me when people keep repeating the bold part. That is completely untrue. You don't have to run into fragmentation. This is the basic architecture of android:
(source http://developer.android.com/guide/basics/what-is-android.html)
Read this. The kernel layer provides abstraction between the hardware and the rest of the software stack, in other words, applications SHOULD NOT need to know what type of RAM, flash, camera, cpu, etc they run on. All they should care about is if a certain service is available and act accordingly when it is not available.
Let's use windows as an example again. It's capable of running on various chipsets and use a variety of devices. How is that possible? The answer is simple, a hardware abstraction layer. MsPaint doesn't care what monitor, video card, etc is used to display to the screen.
Fragmentation is already happening...sorry to burst your bubble but developers have already talked about their frustrations with it. Rovio and Netflix have had to release stripped down versions of their apps because not all Android phones are powerful enough to run the full out versions of their apps. This creates a very bad user experience as a whole and its going to create a diminished loyalty created within the brand...a prime example of this is what happened to Windows Mobile (the first addition) it wasnt a terrible OS it was just spread too thin.
Poser
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its got an app for that.
http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforum/showthread.php?128116-Smartphone-apps
check out my post #9, and i will keep updating as i get apps.
the app boxcar gives you instant email. just forward your email with provided address for boxcar.
your calendar, meeting, invitees issue is resolved with having(preferably a gmail account) linked to your phone.
the link added here http://www.sync-iphone.com/transfer-iphone-to-itunes/sync-iphone-with-gmail.html
http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforum/showthread.php?128116-Smartphone-apps
check out my post #9, and i will keep updating as i get apps.
the app boxcar gives you instant email. just forward your email with provided address for boxcar.
your calendar, meeting, invitees issue is resolved with having(preferably a gmail account) linked to your phone.
the link added here http://www.sync-iphone.com/transfer-iphone-to-itunes/sync-iphone-with-gmail.html
Actually, no. The design concepts I mentioned are universal. You'd know that if you would bother to try to understand what an operating system actually is.
No where did I say android is not fragmented. Re-read what I wrote.
see my reply to iridebikes.
Poser
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Jailbreaking your phone is not even a little bit like going the open source route...Your OS is still closed source, but now you can install apps from outside the market. You seem to be mistaking two completely different aspects. Open source doesn't mean that you can install apps from wherever you want. It means you can access and change the source code...
Again, this isn't an issue with the android system. This is an issue with hardware manufacturers putting the OS on phones with lesser hardware. There a ton of people out there who don't want to pay $500 for their smartphone. They'd love a stripped down version that is cheaper. This is the market that these manufacturers are trying to get with these phones. The solution is simple, and is the same one that has been in effect for computers for ages: either write your software in such a way that the lowest hardware can run it, or state minimum hardware requirements (which they do by saying you must have phone x,y, or z). Well, that, or write multiple versions.
LOL...right thats why Windows, Apple and Google all created MOBILE specific OS's right? First how dumb do you have to be to not recognize that. This the problem with you computer developers...you guys are so damn oblivious to the end user experience it becomes detrimental to the product. How you interact with a PC and how you interact with a phone are the first glaring differences. Then you have the way Apps manage battery life, memory react to to other apps are all factors that are vastly different than how a PC OS works from and end user aspect.
I said fragmentation was a problem, you said and I quote "It frustrates me when people keep repeating the bold part. That is completely untrue. You don't have to run into fragmentation."....make up your mind.
Its ridiculous to think that now we have to start sifting through phone spec sheets to see which phones will work with which Apps. What a nightmare.
Jailbreaking your phone is not even a little bit like going the open source route...Your OS is still closed source, but now you can install apps from outside the market. You seem to be mistaking two completely different aspects. Open source doesn't mean that you can install apps from wherever you want. It means you can access and change the source code...
This is exactly what jailbroken apps do. Jailbroken apps are written by devs who add their own code.
Oh great here we go, back to the PC dynamic. This is going to be just like the PC Games vs Console games, and we all know whose winning that battle.
Let's start with basics, what is an operating system? Let me give you a hint: how you (the end user) interact with a device has nothing to do with it. Once you know what OS is, it should be quite clear that the concept I described (hardware abstraction) is universal across all the operating systems you mentioned.
No you said that fragmentation is inevitable with diverse hardware platforms. You never mentioned android specifically. I simply pointed out that fragmentation COULD be avoided even with a system like android.
RicoChet
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I've had many sony, nokia and blackberry models in my time. I've always hated apple stuff but after reviewing the iphone 4 (not 3gs) I was impressed. Excellent 3d graphics, amazing web surfing abilities (I dont care about flash stuff, if I want cnn there is a specific app for that)
What it came down to in the end for me, was I wanted simplicity. I hated my last blackberry storm 2 because of all the menus, the freezing, rebooting blah blah blah.. I find myself enjoying my phone device a lot more when its just simple, works, and does the job right with out messing up while doing it.
As far as an end user, I've worked in IT for almost 10 years and have lots of experience with complicated softwares and crap... I thought about going android and all my IT fellows saying how they've hacked this and that and rooted this and that... I dont care anymore. Just give me something that turns on and works and I dont have to make any changes at all. What a pleasure!! I really enjoy my Iphone and probably wont go back to BB... I can't think if anything my Iphone can't do better then my Storm 2 did, I was even a frequent user of BBM but now I just stick to eBuddy and I can still talk to the same people.
As far as Android is concerned, yeah the fragmentation will enventually become a problem... but we will see what happens. Right now in my opinion after using half a dozen android devices, the last one being a Sony X10 with 2.2 on it... It's still unrefined, not polished.. it needs a lot more work to become highly polished, but hey... It's only version 2.3 now so after maybe a 3.0 or 4.0 release there will be amazing improvements in every aspect of that OS's ability combined with awesome hardware.
What it came down to in the end for me, was I wanted simplicity. I hated my last blackberry storm 2 because of all the menus, the freezing, rebooting blah blah blah.. I find myself enjoying my phone device a lot more when its just simple, works, and does the job right with out messing up while doing it.
As far as an end user, I've worked in IT for almost 10 years and have lots of experience with complicated softwares and crap... I thought about going android and all my IT fellows saying how they've hacked this and that and rooted this and that... I dont care anymore. Just give me something that turns on and works and I dont have to make any changes at all. What a pleasure!! I really enjoy my Iphone and probably wont go back to BB... I can't think if anything my Iphone can't do better then my Storm 2 did, I was even a frequent user of BBM but now I just stick to eBuddy and I can still talk to the same people.
As far as Android is concerned, yeah the fragmentation will enventually become a problem... but we will see what happens. Right now in my opinion after using half a dozen android devices, the last one being a Sony X10 with 2.2 on it... It's still unrefined, not polished.. it needs a lot more work to become highly polished, but hey... It's only version 2.3 now so after maybe a 3.0 or 4.0 release there will be amazing improvements in every aspect of that OS's ability combined with awesome hardware.
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