Why Android is better than iPhone.

Illegal? LOL, Im gonna go ahead and laugh for a few minutes.... :rolleyes: please

If you wanna install anything/everything on your iPhone, you take the 30 seconds and jailbreak it. If you're a casual user who actually pays for apps (etc.) then you just use the phone as it is and never worry about anything.

Whereas with a droid phone you already have to worry about malware and OS updates which manufacturers take FOREVER to come out with... and when your device is a few generations old (which takes all of 3 months, by the looks of it with android phones) you're SOL. HTC puts out a new phone (or two) every month. Good luck getting support from some crappy Taiwanese company a year from now when your POS bricks.
 
FiReSTaRT said:
The different is that jailbreaking the iphone is illegal in many jurisdictions. Rooting an Android device isn't. And why would you make a product so crippled that it has to be illegally hacked for you to get it to perform certain basic functions?
By the way, most Android devices need to be rooted not because the manufacturers want them to, but because they still sling most of them through mobile providers.
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I would hardly say the iPhone is crippled by any means and what basic functions can't an iPhone do? You make it sound like a fischer price toy phone.

But yes, that is the advantage of Android it allows you to get in there and do what you like to make it how you like. Pros and cons to that which have been stated here a few times over.

I thought there was a court ruling saying that jailbreaking is not illegal anymore on the phone? Or is it more defined as its legal here, but not there. I thought it was pretty global that anyone anywhere could jailbreak their iPhone.
 
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Example of issues caused by not locking down Android hardware, one of the reasons Steve so anal about his OS and hardware control:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20023199-264.html

and before someone starts nagging about the fact that this discusses a trivial (but super addictive) game, the same issues apply to any other software - business, productivity, entertainment, whatever.
 
FiReSTaRT said:
The different is that jailbreaking the iphone is illegal in many jurisdictions. Rooting an Android device isn't. And why would you make a product so crippled that it has to be illegally hacked for you to get it to perform certain basic functions?
By the way, most Android devices need to be rooted not because the manufacturers want them to, but because they still sling most of them through mobile providers.
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where is the iPhone illegal to jailbreak?

tmobile has put in an anti root chip into their phone, expect others to follow suit.
 
Woz's shirt says it best.

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Although he has been quoted as saying Android will eventually surpass the current iOS.
 
gqelements said:
Example of issues caused by not locking down Android hardware, one of the reasons Steve so anal about his OS and hardware control:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20023199-264.html

and before someone starts nagging about the fact that this discusses a trivial (but super addictive) game, the same issues apply to any other software - business, productivity, entertainment, whatever.
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The reason Steve can be anal about his OS and hardware is because he can be (he's the only provider of one version of each). "Locking down android hardware" - that's absurd, go "lock down windows hardware" while you are at it.

Developers crying that their software has "performance issues" on low horsepower devices. This is hilarious. What's next, ea sports crying that fifa 2011 doesn't run on a 486?

If you want your software to run on everything, either make multiple versions, or design to the lowest common denominator. The choice is yours.
 
moosh009 said:
The reason Steve can be anal about his OS and hardware is because he can be (he's the only provider of one version of each). "Locking down android hardware" - that's absurd, go "lock down windows hardware" while you are at it.
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Jobs locks it down because he wants to guarantee a user experience when they purchase and apple product. Some hate it but its a smart play and it was done in their desktop/laptop line for years and the reason behind 'it just works' becoming a part of the user experience with apple products.

WP7 is pretty locked down as an OS and they are suffering some backlash with users because of having no hardware lockdown. The SD card issue with the samsung focus is just one example.

moosh009 said:
If you want your software to run on everything, either make multiple versions, or design to the lowest common denominator. The choice is yours.
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Making versions for every combination of software/hardware isn't practical for most software developers and designing to the lowest common denominator isn't going to get users the best app experiences.

Android has a ton of potential but it is almost too open and without regulation comes chaos. If they solve the fragmentation issues then it will be a top notch OS. The fact that some of my friends with certain android handsets get better OS updates then others really leaves a sour taste in some of their mouths. It would have been smart for Google to regulate the updates and quality of the OS with its name on it being distributed by phone manufacturers who's goal is to turn out as many handsets as possible.
 
iridebikes said:
Illegal? LOL, Im gonna go ahead and laugh for a few minutes.... :rolleyes: please

If you wanna install anything/everything on your iPhone, you take the 30 seconds and jailbreak it. If you're a casual user who actually pays for apps (etc.) then you just use the phone as it is and never worry about anything.

Whereas with a droid phone you already have to worry about malware and OS updates which manufacturers take FOREVER to come out with... and when your device is a few generations old (which takes all of 3 months, by the looks of it with android phones) you're SOL. HTC puts out a new phone (or two) every month. Good luck getting support from some crappy Taiwanese company a year from now when your POS bricks.
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ok, let's try this again.

a) Yes, you can jailbreak an iPhone. That has been established. The point here I'm trying to make is that you are required to do so in order to get the freedom that the Android OS grants out of the box.
b) I don't know what malware you're talking about. I've never had an issue with my phone, and my friends across the hall who do research specifically in Android security have never mentioned any. Apps are sandboxed, and before installing an application it tells you what permissions are required.
c) You're making a pretty big assumption in terms of service. If the device comes with a warranty, the release of new devices doesn't mean that your warranty is now void. Just because HTC releases new devices regularly, doesn't make the HTC phone you bought any less powerful than when you first bought it. It just means that you no longer get to brag to your friends that you have the newest phone on the market. But none of us are that shallow anyway, right?
 
AdRath said:
Making versions for every combination of software/hardware isn't practical for most software developers and designing to the lowest common denominator isn't going to get users the best app experiences.
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That's why you pick a target audience for your product and cater to it. For example, what good is a camera app for a phone without a camera. Also, there are strategies to make your software more portable, but that requires planning. I guess it's easier to ***** in a blog about fragmentation rather than get your **** together.
 
moosh009 said:
That's why you pick a target audience for your product and cater to it. For example, what good is a camera app for a phone without a camera. Also, there are strategies to make your software more portable, but that requires planning. I guess it's easier to ***** in a blog about fragmentation rather than get your **** together.
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No, moosh, you don't understand!!! Almighty Steve spoke the words and created the perfect device for everyone and anyone until he comes up with a better, more expensive, flashier perfect device! Then he created the perfect platform for it an walled it off from dem freedom-loving hooligans! The very mention of the word "freedom" makes me wanna puke! Because the creator and the creation are so good, pure and perfect, there is no way you'll convince a rational Koolaid-drinking Applian that any other device/platform can be anything but utter and total crap!
 
Mikey-D said:
ok, let's try this again.

a) Yes, you can jailbreak an iPhone. That has been established. The point here I'm trying to make is that you are required to do so in order to get the freedom that the Android OS grants out of the box.
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See I keep hearing this, but nobody is actually posting up any examples.... ????? What is it that your magical Android device does that an iPhone doesn't?

I jailbroke my iPhone to get cracked apps because that's how I roll... but beyond getting free apps which normally cost money, there's absolutely nothing that the phone can't do without the jailbreak. So please do tell, what have I been missing this entire time?
 
iridebikes said:
See I keep hearing this, but nobody is actually posting up any examples.... ????? What is it that your magical Android device does that an iPhone doesn't?

I jailbroke my iPhone to get cracked apps because that's how I roll... but beyond getting free apps which normally cost money, there's absolutely nothing that the phone can't do without the jailbreak. So please do tell, what have I been missing this entire time?
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I suggest you google rejected iPhone apps. That should give you a pretty good idea of what I'm talking about. Can you install any of them without jailbreaking your phone?
 
Mikey, in all fairness, it's fairly easy not to get your app rejected:
1) Don't try to compete with Apple's revenue stream or their partners' revenue stream. So no podcasts and no Google voice
2) Don't offend the Democrats.. So no Obama trampouline
3) Don't offend the Republicans.. So no throwing shoes at Bush
4) Don't create any app that may offend more than 0.5% of their customers
5) Use a psychic to help you guide you through the rest of the mysterious guidelines
6) Do not exercise free speech. After the fall of the Soviet Union, we'll lawyer/bank free speech out of existence. It's not a right, it's a privilege.

Support Apple and support Kool Aid :cool:
 
optionfa said:
jealous much?
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Wow. Way to contribute to the debate.

As an aside, I forgot about one of the things I love most about Android over iPhone: not having to puchase a mac or jump through a ****-ton of hoops to do development. But that's not something the common user would concern themselves with.
 
Mikey-D said:
Wow. Way to contribute to the debate..
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Sorry, I don't like all these folks beefing my phone..

It's a great phone.. porn looks better on the iPhone then any other phone out there (retina display ftw).. if you arn't watching porn on the bus/GOtrain you are not traveling in style.
 
Here's how awesome android is for developers (and thus ultimately the end users) .... Rovio the creators of that Angry Birds iOS game (wildly popular) ported it for Android along with this list of unsupported phones simply because it just didn't work properly across all the different platforms and OS versions...

Droid Eris
HTC Dream
HTC Hero/T-Mobile G2 Touch
HTC Magic/Sapphire/Mytouch 3G
HTC Tattoo
HTC Wildfire
Huawei Ideos/U8150
LG Ally/Aloha/VS740
LG GW620/Eve
Motorola Backflip/MB300
Motorola Cliq/Dext
Samsung Acclaim
Samsung Moment/M900
Samsung Spica/i5700
Samsung Transform
Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 mini
T-Mobile G1

open source across multiple platforms is awesome :rolleyes: and people wonder why linux as a whole never got any serious consumer market share?
 
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