Why Android is better than iPhone.

I have an HTPC running Boxee (prefer it to XBMC)

I can with absolute 100% certainty say that it is absolutely no easy task to get the system up and running properly. The installation and configuration of all the components is so far above the average user's head that its laughable for anybody (especially a geek) to suggest otherwise.

Firestart you're completely separated from reality if you think any of this is 'easy enough' for the average consumer to do themselves. I'm good, and it took me hours of work to get my HTPC set up and integrated properly. And by "properly" I mean exactly what the average consumer would expect if they purchased my setup from a big box store... works with a remote, has a simple interface, is connected to my music library, and is basically 'transparent' all around. Unrecognizable as a PC, and no keyboard/mouse in sight.
 
it has a new name "experience"
sweet.
 
Why Apple Doesn’t Care About The $75 Android Phone



An article published by Seth Weintraub over at Fortune last week made the rounds of the Internet detailing how the Android platform will “explode” next year thanks to relatively low-cost components. Broadcom has announced a new 3G HSDPA chipset called BCM2157 that allows for popular specs like Bluetooth, GPS, dual core ARM processors, 5MP cameras and capacitive displays. Broadcom is marketing this new chipset to Android OEMs. And the best part, according to Handset Line of Business for Broadcom Jim Tran? Phones built on the new chipset will retail under $100, possibly even touching the $75 price point. And we’re talking about retail prices of unsubsidized phones. That would allow “average users” who don’t normally spend hundreds of dollars on smartphone to buy a high-end Android phone and runs apps on it.


Weintraub followed up to his Fortune story on 9to5mac today:

I think if we are just talking about numbers, Android phones will outnumber iPhone. In fact, it is pretty apparent they already do. There might one day even be more apps available for Android than iOS. But the iPhone is still the better experience and has a big, passionate following. Apple is also evolving the iOS to new forms including the AppleTV and iPad.

MG Siegler at TechCrunch posted his thoughts about Apple’s strategy in regards to these new cheap Android handsets as well:

And so the only way for the iPhone to “beat” Android would be for Apple to either open iOS up in the same way that Android is, or to create a huge variety of iPhones spread across the spectrum in terms of features and price. Neither of those things is going to happen. Nor should they happen. The first simply isn’t in Apple’s DNA. It would create an ecosystem of crappy iPhones that Apple had no control over.

I think we all agree that, in the end, it’s possible that Android’s raw numbers will be bigger than Apple’s. After all, Android ships on hundreds of different devices which are generally cheaper than the iPhone and are going to get even cheaper next year anyway. Price-wise, Android devices will go down. So down that the average user who’s never bought a smartphone before will consider getting a new Android device because it’s sold at $99 at Best Buy. With such a device, he will be able to subscribe to month-by-month plans offered by carriers or skip the carrier data plans altogether and just rely on cheap voice and messaging plans and connect to the internet using free WiFi hotspots. That seems unlikely to me (mostly because we don’t have so many hotspots here in Italy) but I’m sure cheaper devices will change the approach of OEMs to carriers. The question is, though: what’s Apple going to do about it?

The way I see it, nothing. Not because Steve Jobs doesn’t want people to be able to buy an iPhone for a lower price (in fact, previous generation iPhones are always sold at $99 with a two year AT&T contract) or is firmly convinced Apple devices “must cost money”. The simple answer is that Steve Jobs’ Apple doesn’t sell cheap handsets, they sell an experience. The experience is based on high-quality materials, innovations (take the Retina Display for example, or the iPad’s component miniaturization) and standards most Android OEMs don’t care about. Apple won’t sell a cheap iPhone nano not because of absurd company beliefs — they just don’t see it as a feasible way to provide a great mobile experience.

This same philosophy applies to any other product sold by Apple. They have an 11-inch “netbook” available for sale, but it’s a $999 MacBook Air made of high-quality materials and components that ships with SSD and 2 GB of RAM in its base configuration. They have a tablet device, but it’s sold at $499. And if you look at the iPad or Mac sales numbers (expect a boom in the next fiscal results on January 18), it seems like consumers don’t mind spending money on Apple products.

The huge difference between Apple and Android OEMs is that Apple doesn’t go cheap, but prices aggressively. Consider the iPad: it’s not cheap (is $500 cheap for you?) but it was priced aggressively if you think about the other tablets that can’t match the its price point. So far, Apple’s strategy has worked.

When talking about the $75 Android phone coming out next year, it’s fundamental to consider the strategy Apple applies to every product they sell. Millions of cheap Android phones distributed in 2011 may be a great achievement for Google and OEMs and PR folks, but 2011 won’t be 1995 for Apple simply because they have gained millions of new loyal users in the meantime.
 
someone complained about pressing a button to exit an app, are you that ungrateful, the device that paved the way, with little to less buttons.
do you really want apple to step it up a notch, just chill.

apple had an ipod, with 1 button, a hold button.
everything else via touch, even the volume.

if you want everything touch\swipe, i could pass the message onto steve.

i don't think you are ready for that, iOS in the lead, they'll wait a bit.
 
iridebikes said:
Firestart you're completely separated from reality if you think any of this is 'easy enough' for the average consumer to do themselves. I'm good, and it took me hours of work to get my HTPC set up and integrated properly. And by "properly" I mean exactly what the average consumer would expect if they purchased my setup from a big box store... works with a remote, has a simple interface, is connected to my music library, and is basically 'transparent' all around. Unrecognizable as a PC, and no keyboard/mouse in sight.
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I'm sorry you had such a bad experience with your HTPC, but the XBMC setup on my Revo was really that simple..
1) Installing the OS = just popping in a memory stick and clicking on NEXT other than coming up with a username and password
2) Installing XBMC = Stupid simple.. I think it was already available in the Ubuntu Software Centre (something like your App Store), if not, it was probably downloading the binary (exe/dmg for you windows/mac users) to your desktop and double-clicking on it. Stupid simple for anyone in any case. [I did it through the command line interface, but that's because it's faster if you know what you're doing ;)]
3) Logging off and 2 clicks to set up for the computer to boot into XBMC (as described above and already forgotten :D)
4) I don't remember having to do any tinkering to get the remote up and running.....
5) It's very easy to browse your media sources with your remote control
 
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1) To say that Jobs and Apple "don't care" about the Android onslaught is utter nonsense.

2) Apple is selling an "experience". Oh puh-leeeeze.


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FiReSTaRT said:
I'm sorry you had such a bad experience with your HTPC, but the XBMC setup on my Revo was really that simple..
1) Installing the OS = just popping in a memory stick and clicking on NEXT other than coming up with a username and password
2) Installing XBMC = Stupid simple.. I think it was already available in the Ubuntu Software Centre (something like your App Store), if not, it was probably downloading the binary (exe/dmg for you windows/mac users) to your desktop and double-clicking on it. Stupid simple for anyone in any case. [I did it through the command line interface, but that's because it's faster if you know what you're doing ;)]
3) Logging off and 2 clicks to set up for the computer to boot into XBMC (as described above and already forgotten :D)
4) I don't remember having to do any tinkering to get the remote up and running.....
5) It's very easy to browse your media sources with your remote control
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And you did all this in 10 minutes right? :lol: so deluded...

My experience wasn't "bad", because I know what Im doing. It was time consuming.

For the average user it would've been impossible. Getting the remote to work, getting the streaming to happen to multiple devices and from multiple devices (ipad, iphone, laptop, ps3 to name a few), getting the torrents set up for downloading via webUI... all this stuff takes time and configuration.
 
ZX600 said:
See this is the type of comment that makes me laugh and shows me that the majority of people in this thread don't even know what they are talking about.

I just have one question for you: Have you tried all other UI's from all other phones and companies, I am going to guess the answer is no?

I am asking because if you had tried the Webos UI you will know that it is far superior than the IOS, the only one that has true multitasking with it's cards UI, now go on and tell me how many apps apple have ;)

If you want to see true multitasking (done by a user). Then let me know if apple can do this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWkkIm9zjtQ&feature=related

A little fun for you guys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYXdpap0E9c&NR=1

and one last one to compare to your precious Imac
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHhRAk7qNLo&feature=related



I would like to see an Iphone or Android phone that can do the same
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f78BtB3BheM&NR=1
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if you have read my other posts, you'll know where i stand on apple products in general, and as for not knowing what i'm talking about, i'll let all of my posts be the measure of that--i'm still standing behind my statement. . .apple is technology for luddites. its ease of use is phenomenal, i never claimed it to be the most powerful.

i confess to not wanting to touch anything palm-related after a bad experience with their palm tungsten series and the impenetrableness of putting apps on and off of that thing. if webos works that easily out of the box, and has as intuitive a ui as the iOS-based products, then it might be worthwhile going back to look at palm, but otherwise, not going to bother.
 
I didn't do it in 10 minutes of time, but I did it in 10min of work. I just checked in from time to time to see how the OS install was going. Same thing when installing XBMC (it is a relatively hefty download with all the dependencies). So yeah, the process took more than an hour, but I spent most of it doing other stuff.
 
Eh, whatever. Its not a box solution and thats all that matters. If you're talking about installing an operating system you're already above the heads of 95% of computer users out there and that's all there is to it.

The setup is time consuming and complicated for people who don't know what they're doing. Furthermore if they have to tie this thing into an existing system with various devices it just gets even more complicated and you have to know how to troubleshoot things and do research to get it all done if there are any problems.

Where did this argument start again? Who gives a shiet.
 
LOL @ XBMC being user friendly...just try adding Netflix to that....LOL

Meanwhile Apple TV just reached 1M in sales...lets not discuss Google TV to spare some feelings in here.
 
Moreno636 said:
LOL @ XBMC being user friendly...just try adding Netflix to that....LOL

Meanwhile Apple TV just reached 1M in sales...lets not discuss Google TV to spare some feelings in here.
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Netflix is an issue because of Silverlight, even though you could run it on a Windows (probably Mac too) box running XBMC. Linux developers are still fairly anti-DRM so Moonlight doesn't have Silverlight's DRM modules. Fortunately, most modern TV's support Netflix out of the box and they can be used for that purpose. If not, I'd still get a Google TV box :cool:
Google TV's failure came in the fact that they consulted the engineers but not the lawyers. As soon as the media cartel caught wind of it cutting into their advertising revenue stream, they did what they had to in order to protect it. Apple TV was successful because they adopted a cartel-friendly distribution model. This was definitely a painful lesson for google, but they'll probably learn from it and get back out of the gates after sucking on a few content production/distribution industry cocks. Most likely, they'll either switch to Apple's PPV model or figure out a solution that will give the content distribution end of the cartel their lb of flesh.
 
We should get together and argue about this over at the bar... I wanna yell out stuff like "APPLE OWNZ J00" and "MEDIA CARTEL INDUSTRY COCK@!!" in public.
 
iridebikes said:
Another 10 or so pages and we should all finally agree that Apple rocks.
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Nope, no Kool Aid in my house, but I might go as far as to say that it has its uses :cool:
 
Poser said:
someone complained about pressing a button to exit an app, are you that ungrateful, the device that paved the way, with little to less buttons.
do you really want apple to step it up a notch, just chill.

apple had an ipod, with 1 button, a hold button.
everything else via touch, even the volume.

if you want everything touch\swipe, i could pass the message onto steve.

i don't think you are ready for that, iOS in the lead, they'll wait a bit.
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Dude, so much talk and blablabla...gezzz.

We are not talking about the future and what Steve may or may not do, we are talking about the present.

You guys keep saying that the Iphone OS is superior, I showed videos where anyone can see this not been true.

So I ask again, stop the bla bla bla and copying and pasting and show me how is the IOS superior to Webos

Don't tell me, show me!

Iridebikes couldn't come up with anything except than calling me "bro" let's see what are you going to do

Amaze me with your superior OS, amaze me with your superior user experience and show me anything IOS can do Better than Webos

They have the money, do they really have the ingenuity? :agave:

by the way your statement
"if you want everything touch\swipe, i could pass the message onto steve.
i don't think you are ready for that, iOS in the lead, they'll wait a bit."

Not only i am ready, i already had it on Webos, seriously, you should use a filter and really think before you post lol
 
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afong56 said:
for ease of use, others do not yet match apple.

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afong56 said:
-i'm still standing behind my statement. . .apple is technology for luddites. its ease of use is phenomenal, i never claimed it to be the most powerful.

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You are just changing your statement, you never said the most powerful you said that "others do not yet match apple". I only got involved in this entertaining thread because of that statement and to prove how wrong it was.
 
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