exactly why i've been finding this thread extremely amusing. i knew i wasn't the only one
Why Android is better than iPhone.
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exactly why i've been finding this thread extremely amusing. i knew i wasn't the only one
iridebikes
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No, they have the advantage over all.
Apple is CONSISTENTLY at the top of the charts for overall quality and customer satisfaction.
There's no better built phone on the market than the iPhone and there's no better built laptop on the market than a Macbook Pro.
backtracking? no. discrediting? uhm, no again. as i have written, they are clever to sell their products in the way they do. perhaps other companies should learn from this. marketing is a strength for apple. but, i have written this several times now, and yet you continue to interpret it as a slight. maybe that's because for apple fanbois, perception is more important than fact, lol.
to make this analogy correct, you would have to update this to include the fact that some domestic manufacturers, such as buick and cadillac, etc., now are actually producing better quality product than some japanese companies. do most customers still perceive a japanese quality advantage? yes. is it actually true? not in every case. that's the reality. apple has been very good at constructing a perception that may or may not meet reality.
if i paid a 2-3x premium for a mbp over a comparable asus laptop, i'd convince myself of my satisfaction with the product. . .no question. who wants to admit buyer's remorse for purchasing a branded product with such a strong marketing identification attached to it?
unquestionably, if i knew nothing about tech, and found a product with a dead simple os, that even i would use, my satisfaction would be 100x what it would be if i were struggling with a complex machine. have never denied this, and in fact, it stands to reason.
apple builds them pretty. everyone knows this. but you are paying for that.
iridebikes
Banned
You're paying for the superior build, the superior reliability, the superior customer support, the superior warranty, and lastly the FAR FAR superior OS....
OOPS!
But hey, techie nerd-virgins like to buy cheap Asus and Toshiba junk because they like tinkering and fixing their PCs instead of, you know... actually using them. With Apple you pay for a computer you're gonna use, not for a computer you're gonna fix.
Fact, son.
OOPS!
But hey, techie nerd-virgins like to buy cheap Asus and Toshiba junk because they like tinkering and fixing their PCs instead of, you know... actually using them. With Apple you pay for a computer you're gonna use, not for a computer you're gonna fix.
Fact, son.
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Biggsy
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Was I bragging? Just a suggestion if anyone were interested in an inexpensive android device & a (very subjective) observation that 'a-whole-lotta' people spend a 'whole-lotta-time' making a point of what device they have.
I don't care what phone you want to buy - honest.
I'll start with your "FAR FAR superior OS".
You DO know that is BSD linux... OOOPS... FACT SON!
A LOT
Maybe a bit more polished than some of the cheaper models running other OS'
Excuse me while I have a good laugh
At a SERIOUS price premium
Needed due to poor engineering.. Nice fashion accessory work, though
Excuse me while I have another laugh
That cheap Asus and Toshiba junk has the same components as your precious fashion-accessory. In any case, us "techie nerd-virgins" like having a hassle-free personal system, even though we might spend some time tweaking a few things to our taste (something neophytes like yourself will never understand). Extensive tinkering should be left to production systems, to optimize them to run as efficiently as possible. We also change the oil on our bikes FWIW
Even if you wanted to fix it, replacement parts would run for too much cash.. I still remember my buddy having to blow $80 on a new keyboard for his Mac.. Having never paid more than $10 for a keyboard, he gave me a great laugh
wonderings
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Even if you wanted to fix it, replacement parts would run for too much cash.. I still remember my buddy having to blow $80 on a new keyboard for his Mac.. Having never paid more than $10 for a keyboard, he gave me a great laugh
I will pick the easy one to respond to
No one has to pay $80 for a mac keyboard, any keyboard will work, including your $10 keyboard, your $5 mouse, any of those peripherals, unless they have some weird functions that need a specific driver, they are all just plug and play. To me, tech specs are only part of the equation when buying a computer. The big one is the OS. I prefer OS X hands down to windows, because it works out of the box in a way thats efficient for my workflow. I can tinker if I want, I can get into the roots of unix if I knew how or cared. I know plenty of "nerds" who have switched to OS X and rave about the OS and the unix foundation. Again, subjective. At the end of the day, get what works best for you. For me its a MacBook Pro, and I will gladly pay the higher price point to run OS X in a machine with specs that work for me while I work for money.
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Biggsy
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I'm partial to blackberry bold.
Feel free to compare battery life (and swapability), voice quality, durability (CSA standard of 1 metre drop onto hard surface), interoperability to microsoft exchange (calendar, contacts, and mail), and ability to use PIN.
iridebikes
Banned
Buddy all I see here is how poor/cheap you and your friends are, and how big of a nerd you are.
Apple consistently tops charts in customer satisfaction and overall reliability. You can put your geeky linux shades on and plug your ears, but that's the facts, son. I worked in IT for years, I can nerd it up with the best of 'em.... except I don't wanna waste my time fixing computers any more. Enter Apple.
So let me get this straight. Apple enjoys an advantage in OS, design, sales, and marketing? And we're still trying to say that people "should" buy an Android phone? Because of "power" and "build"? Power to do what? Build to do what?
I also think we have to stop using the word "marketing" as if it's a bad word. Anyone who's done any studying of marketing knows the classic "4-P" model. Marketing consists of: price, product, place, and promotion. People keep referring to marketing as if it means "promotion" (advertising). The fact is, Apple has a price, product, distribution, and advertising mix that has been sacking its competition for years now. Why is their "marketing" strength dismissed as if it doesn't matter? They have a combination of features, price, availability, and branding that people want. Others should take a lesson.
The only way you can buy ANYTHING, is based on perception. It's the only way you can see anything, that's why it's called perception. Even your "objective measures" must be perceived before they can be acted upon. You say other phones have more power or better build. You must "perceive" them as having these characteristics, and "perceive" that these characteristics are important, in order for that to be part of your decision process. The idea that people will buy anything, based on anything BUT perception, is ridiculous and nonsensical. Apple products are perceived as being the best, by the buying public. You can disagree, but that is your perception, as flawed as anyone else's, and to state that yours is fact while that of others is not, is a strange statement to make.
I'm the master of generalized statements, so don't take it personally.
I know quite a few people that like to change up their phones frequently - this is what i'm referring to. Apple seems to market to these people with their frequent releases. I guess the same could be said about any other manufacturer of equipment also - but for me, Apple stands out in this department. This is what i'm referring to. At their hearts - they are a phone .. no matter what OS derivative they run, why do people feel the need to keep throwing money at them when they are still functional as such?
iPhone has flash, sure. It doesn't have sdcard support, no? It was nice to be able to plug my sdcard straight from my old Motorola into my new Samsung, without the hassle of reloading all those music files again. Each have their own advantages.
Didn't bother me in the least to run 2.1 when i got it in September .. it worked. 2.2 Froyo is a refinement, nothing more. Everything that worked before, works now. Nothing was really broken before. If i can't run 2.3 .. c'est la vie.. it still does what i want it to do now, and for the future. Keep in mind, that i was originally aiming for a BB 9800, but switched to Android because it had the functionality that i wanted now, and for the foreseeable future (3 years). If 2.3 never comes out, it doesn't really impact on the use of this handset.
Relax. Take 1/2 of what i say in this thread with a heaping teaspoon of salt. Really, run what you brung.. it's your brain that you are frying with the radio-waves from the handset of your choice, nothing more.
There are several 'fanboy' types in this thread (they fit the definition to a 'T'!) - Blind, unswerving allegiance to a manufacturer .. i could never figure that one out. I'm having my fun with this - nothing more... i thought that much would be obvious, with my shortened sharp stick comment in my last post.
first of all, i get the clear impression that a lot of the fanbois writing here are probably still living in their parents' basement, and that you are definitely not old enough to be my father, so drop the 'son' pejorative. . .
second, it must be quite an accomplishment for apple to be getting superior build quality or reliability when they use the exact same components as the asus/dell/hp/nokia/sony-ericsson products that roll off the line at the foxconn factories where they are all built. must be all of the apple lovers working the lines there, secretly sabotaging non-apple product. . .riiiiiight. i guess the company reps of those other companies must enjoy being treated as second class. . .
or maybe, just maybe, there is no build or reliability edge. thanks, but i'll stick to my objective, statistics-based data, not the subjective data others have sourced.
for mp3 players, yes, correct.
for cellphones, yes, if we are only counting individual smartphone models by individual brands. yes, as already shown elsewhere, they are doing well.
for computer products, no. not even close. that's a 'fact', lol.
Apple has fewer releases of product than those in the Android world. Where 1 iphone a year comes out there are 50 android handsets. I personally upgraded because I had some extra cash and really liked the extra features the iphone 4 had over my 2 year old iphone 3G which I gave to a friend who wasn't as much into all the features but wanted a basic phone for email and webbrowsing. Its not a matter of people throwing money at a company when their product still works. Its a matter of people wanting new technology so they get the new offering. That is something common in both the apple world and the regular PC/Android world. I can run the latest iOS on my iphone3G (the newest 4.2 update works better than 4.0). Most people who buy tech don't think like you Bill. Thats not bad or good just different.
Your right it doesn't have a micro SD card slot but to get all of my data on my new phone it just took plugging in a single cable and the push of a button and my iphone 4 was exactly like my previous phone. Again it comes down to preference of ecosystem. If you are part of the android eco system previously it makes sense to buy another android phone mostly for the apps you have already purchased or downloaded. Having several ipods over the past 10 years I have an abundant supply of chargers both at home and at work.
I'd say both polar opposites of the spectrum are represented in this thread. Firestart epitomizes the smug attitude of the open source crowd who thinks anyone who doesn't share their view are fools and sheep who have drank Kool Aid and somehow worship Steve Jobs. I respect Steve Jobs for his business savvy and vision. He has pushed a lot of tech and created trends in how we integrate tech into our daily lives. Just because he says something doesn't mean I take it as gospel. All companies have flaws. Google scans your emails and markets to you based on what you have wrote and what others write to you. I would never acuse a person with a Android phone as a supporter of everything google does in business.
Then why bring it up in discussion over which one is better? What does the marketing strategy have to do with it??
Another nonsensical argument that backs up exactly what I was saying. The domestic manufacturers have realized their mistakes and made massive changes. Ford/Buick/Cadillac all have extremely high customer satisfaction records. Check the sales of Hyundai and Ford this year. They listened to the customer, they listened when the customer said your products are trash and voted with their wallets.
Nobody cares what you would do, anecdotal evidence is pointless and useless. This is also false, because even if it was true it wouldn't explain the strong brand loyalty Apple users have. If they are so unhappy with their MBP that they paid sooo much for...why would they go out and buy another one
http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/03/10/apple.canon.samsung.lead.loyalty.index/
This ludicrous line of blaming the consumer for either being to fashion conscious, to uneducated tech wise, now we are on to blinded by the "price" they paid, this is what this discussion has been reduced to "the consumer is wrong"...lol. Its never the fact that Apple makes fantastic products that put the customers experience and satisfaction first.
