Why Android is better than iPhone.

FullMotoJacket said:
Reality? You do understand what a fanboi is, don't you?
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lol, i certainly do. the question is whether you do. apparently not.

and btw, that is the cheapest form of intellectual dishonesty to part quote me, specifically to omit the part where i mention i own 9 ms-os machines (and actually replacing a comma with a period to make it look like a complete idea, instead of an edit). . .pathetic. . .THAT is exactly what a fanboi would do, lol.

it is kind of laughable to see the quality of discourse from many of the assembled apple-flavoured kool-aid lovers. . .logical fallacies piled on top of each other, being passed off as 'facts'. . .

then again, knowing nothing about what they're talking about has not stopped apple owners in the past, as i have witnessed firsthand, so nothing that gets written here should surprise me. . .
 
afong56 said:
lol, i certainly do. the question is whether you do. apparently not.

and btw, that is the cheapest form of intellectual dishonesty to part quote me, specifically to omit the part where i mention i own 9 ms-os machines (and actually replacing a comma with a period to make it look like a complete idea, instead of an edit). . .pathetic. . .THAT is exactly what a fanboi would do, lol.
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Awwwww, you don't like it when people use your own tactic of leaving pertinent things out on you? Or did you not understand/fail to read the part about me owning 6 machines, all with Windows OS? (you do really like using that "failed to read" line when people disagree with your opinion, don't you).

Now, back to phones.......at least that's what it was about before someone came up with some goofy argument about Macbooks using Intel chipsets = iOS must be inferior.
 
FullMotoJacket said:
Awwwww, you don't like it when people use your own tactic of leaving pertinent things out on you? Or did you not understand/fail to read the part about me owning 6 machines, all with Windows OS? (you do really like using that "failed to read" line when people disagree with your opinion, don't you).

Now, back to phones.......at least that's what it was about before someone came up with some goofy argument about Macbooks using Intel chipsets = iOS must be inferior.
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i read it, but what exactly does you owning ms-dos machines have to do with you being an apple fanboi? if you understood what a fanboi is, you'd know that they are not mutually exclusive. . .

for the record, show me where i manipulated any of your comments when they were quoted. . .yeah, i didn't think so, you hack. that's your 'tactic', not mine.

oh, and since you have apparently read my comments, you'd know i repeatedly credited iOS and their marketing as being good. but go ahead and construct a straw man fallacy. . .

weak sauce.

oh, and btw, still waiting for your expert opinion about why apple owners are so disenchanted with apple batteries, since i'm apparently wrong.

i'll be back tomorrow for your 'response', lol. . .i always love a morning giggle. . .

'night

edit: lmfao, i just noticed that the EXACT 'pertinent' info that you claim i left out, i quoted verbatim in responding to you. . .
straw man all the way. . .
 
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afong56 said:
seems that you, like others on this thread, are simply reading what you want to. . .

somehow, after i wrote that they have a clever and smart marketing campaign, you interpreted that as me slighting them for choosing to stress benefits over features. lol, get a grip. read my post again, but this time take off the fanboi suit. . .

did you seriously write that "what the customer thinks" is more important that statistical evidence of repair claims made to an independent third party insurance company? so a customer's perception is now more valuable that facts? uhm, sorry, i'll take the accuracy of squaretrade, which has no reason to inaccurately report actual incidents of hardware failure (since it costs them money to comply with the claims made) over the perception of buyers who have made a conscious decision to own a product that every admits comes with a cost premium.

lol, so whose posts are devoid of 'facts'?

and btw, your links actually support my contention. . .one cites design awards, while the other (cnet) gives apple good marks in design and os related areas, but in the one hardware based category (battery), they finished tied for last. also, no mention of reliability in either.

thanks for supporting my points.
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Oh please stop back tracking now. You know your comments about marketing strategies were all based on trying to discredit Apple's successes with making it about how they market their products as a fashion accessory, "lifestyle choice" or some other nonsense. Its so transparent that this is nothing but sour grapes. If it wasnt a slight why even bring up their marketing strategy? Why even bring up their "benefits" over "features" approach in a thread debating the merits of Apple's iPhone over Android? Like I said stop with the back pedalling.

ABSOLUTELY what a customer THINKS is more important that ONE COMPANY'S (whose motives can easily be challenged since they are in the extended warranty game) statistics show. You dont have facts, what you have is a minute sampling of data from one company thats sold 10,000 laptops a year, of which how many were Apple? . A customer's PERCEPTION is far more important than that. Customer perception is perpetuated by their experience with a product, build ****** products and your product's perception in the eyes of a customer will suffer from it. The domestic car manufacturers all learnt this for the nonsense they put out in the 90s and 2000s.

Your post is completely devoid of any facts. I am still waiting for "Apple makes cute products" factoid. Apple design's aesthetically pleasing gadgets, when in comparison to the monstrosities that the PC kabal is putting out. Again ONE hardware category the battery (ok so the customer isnt happy with the battery life...) thats ONE hardware category. The iPhone got perfect marks in Features, OS and again the most important CUSTOMER SATISFACTION
 
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afong56 said:
to be successful at retail, yes, you are correct. never would suggest otherwise.

however, to prove a point about reliability, as this thread has been discussing. . .nope.
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This thread has been discussing whether or not Apple is a superior product to the Android phones. You suggested that factual information on this topic is more relevant than consumer perception. My point is that the ONLY thing that matters in determining the superiority of a product is consumer perception and consumer choice. If your product is superior on some measure, but consumers perceive it to be inferior, then you have used the wrong measurement of superiority.

If Android phones are substantially more reliable than Apple phones, and customers don't care, then your measurement of reliability is irrelevant and not worth discussing. This is what most tech companies, and tech people in general, don't seem to really comprehend. They dismiss the great unwashed masses as uneducated, uninformed, or having drunk kool-aid, or "fanibois" (what a stupid word). And in so doing, they miss the entire point of what technology development is about. It's about developing products that people use, and like to use, to do things in their lives. The key word in this sentence is "people". What do they want? What do they like? What are they buying? What you think they should buy is, frankly, irrelevant.

Start listening, stop talking.
 
little unrelated, but I picked up a Barnes & Noble 'Color Nook' $250 android 800mhz capacitive touch device. 7" screen is just about perfect for 'watching tv & web browsing buddy'. IMHO ipad is a touch too big and waaay too $$$.


Just to chime in on apple being fashion item. I will say that I overheard a _dozen_ times last week (west coast USA) "blah blah blah, I'll just check that ON MY IPAD", or "hey Bob, what's going on ? I'm just here at STARBUCKS with my IPAD blah blah blah". Which is fine, I realize people go out of there way to mention it in a bid for acceptance like "I'm going to go ride my BMW", I'm more apt to say "I'm going for a ride". Or "I'm reading something online".

Meh, to each is own. I'll take android tablet on merit and cry myself to sleep that I don't have reason to hang out at the 'genius bar' :p
 
Duster929 said:
This thread has been discussing whether or not Apple is a superior product to the Android phones. You suggested that factual information on this topic is more relevant than consumer perception. My point is that the ONLY thing that matters in determining the superiority of a product is consumer perception and consumer choice. If your product is superior on some measure, but consumers perceive it to be inferior, then you have used the wrong measurement of superiority.

If Android phones are substantially more reliable than Apple phones, and customers don't care, then your measurement of reliability is irrelevant and not worth discussing. This is what most tech companies, and tech people in general, don't seem to really comprehend. They dismiss the great unwashed masses as uneducated, uninformed, or having drunk kool-aid, or "fanibois" (what a stupid word). And in so doing, they miss the entire point of what technology development is about. It's about developing products that people use, and like to use, to do things in their lives. The key word in this sentence is "people". What do they want? What do they like? What are they buying? What you think they should buy is, frankly, irrelevant.

Start listening, stop talking.
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I've only been lurking in this thread, but I gotta say this is the best post. Totally hit the nail on the head.
 
Biggsy said:
little unrelated, but I picked up a Barnes & Noble 'Color Nook' $250 android 800mhz capacitive touch device. 7" screen is just about perfect for 'watching tv & web browsing buddy'. IMHO ipad is a touch too big and waaay too $$$.


Just to chime in on apple being fashion item. I will say that I overheard a _dozen_ times last week (west coast USA) "blah blah blah, I'll just check that ON MY IPAD", or "hey Bob, what's going on ? I'm just here at STARBUCKS with my IPAD blah blah blah". Which is fine, I realize people go out of there way to mention it in a bid for acceptance like "I'm going to go ride my BMW", I'm more apt to say "I'm going for a ride". Or "I'm reading something online".

Meh, to each is own. I'll take android tablet on merit and cry myself to sleep that I don't have reason to hang out at the 'genius bar' :p
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I find it slightly ironic and hypocritical that many people brag about NOT using Apple products.
 
I think a big part to the Kool Aid Cult is the fact that they paid so much for the product. The only way they can justify waiting in line for more than a day to make an overpayment on that scale without looking like a a person of the lowest order in a former classification of mental retardation, having a mental age of less than three years old and an intelligence quotient under 25 is to convince others of the product's greatness, and if you lie enough about something, you end up convincing yourself in the process.
 
Duster929 said:
This thread has been discussing whether or not Apple is a superior product to the Android phones. You suggested that factual information on this topic is more relevant than consumer perception. My point is that the ONLY thing that matters in determining the superiority of a product is consumer perception and consumer choice. If your product is superior on some measure, but consumers perceive it to be inferior, then you have used the wrong measurement of superiority.

If Android phones are substantially more reliable than Apple phones, and customers don't care, then your measurement of reliability is irrelevant and not worth discussing. This is what most tech companies, and tech people in general, don't seem to really comprehend. They dismiss the great unwashed masses as uneducated, uninformed, or having drunk kool-aid, or "fanibois" (what a stupid word). And in so doing, they miss the entire point of what technology development is about. It's about developing products that people use, and like to use, to do things in their lives. The key word in this sentence is "people". What do they want? What do they like? What are they buying? What you think they should buy is, frankly, irrelevant.

Start listening, stop talking.
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GAME SET AND MATCH!!!
FiReSTaRT said:
I think a big part to the Kool Aid Cult is the fact that they paid so much for the product. The only way they can justify waiting in line for more than a day to make an overpayment on that scale without looking like a a person of the lowest order in a former classification of mental retardation, having a mental age of less than three years old and an intelligence quotient under 25 is to convince others of the product's greatness, and if you lie enough about something, you end up convincing yourself in the process.
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Irrelevant ASCII Guevera post.

LOL @ at calling the buying public stupid. Keep it up, no wonder you guys are going the way of the dodo bird.
 
Moreno636 said:
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I think a big part to the Kool Aid Cult is the fact that they paid so much for the product. The only way they can justify waiting in line for more than a day to make an overpayment on that scale without looking like a a person of the lowest order in a former classification of mental retardation, having a mental age of less than three years old and an intelligence quotient under 25 is to convince others of the product's greatness, and if you lie enough about something, you end up convincing yourself in the process.
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Irrelevant ASCII Guevera post.

LOL @ at calling the buying public stupid. Keep it up, no wonder you guys are going the way of the dodo bird.
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Morono's correct on that one thing... common sense, product pragmatism, and fiscal responsibility is becoming an increasingly scarce commodity, bowing to iMe'ism and the Apple Collective.

This thread is too funny. Apple defenders that invariably prove the points for the Apple detractors that have been stated time and again.

Bandit Bill shortens the stick that he's been poking with.
 
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Bandit Bill said:
Morono's correct on that one thing... common sense, product pragmatism, and fiscal responsibility is becoming an increasingly scarce commodity, bowing to iMe'ism and the Apple Collective.

This thread is too funny. Apple defenders that invariably prove the points for the Apple detractors that have been stated time and again.



Bandit Bill shortens the stick that he's been poking with.
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LOL at your ignorance and abject arrogance. No actual facts so lets slag the buying public now. This is the tactic you've been reduced too...disgusting. Who the hell are you to say what is product pragmatism? What qualifies you to talk about what consumer's fiscal responsibilities are and what choices they make? GTFOH with this irrelevant post with absolutely no facts...ONCE AGAIN!
 
The comedy level has shot off the scale in this thread, that's for sure. There's no other way to describe it when someone has bought into the Apple doctrine 5 times (?!?!) turns around and calls someone who hates Steve Jobs' business practices and unethical treatment of friends/suppliers, but bought the one product that does stand above everyone elses.....once it's had it's DRM stripped (jailbroken), is the only one of the group (smartphone) that doesn't feel like a plastic toy a fanboi. Priceless.

Yes, the banner's been there since day one.

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Bandit Bill said:
Morono's correct on that one thing... common sense, product pragmatism, and fiscal responsibility is becoming an increasingly scarce commodity, bowing to iMe'ism and the Apple Collective.

This thread is too funny. Apple defenders that invariably prove the points for the Apple detractors that have been stated time and again.

Bandit Bill shortens the stick that he's been poking with.
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Bill your letting your blind dislike of Apple blind you. How much was your Galaxy S from Bell? I bet it was in the same ball park as I paid for my iphone4 and yet the iphone 4 has superior fit and finish and has some hardware the Galaxy S doesn't (a flash is the first thing to come to mind). Please explain to me how I am paying more and not being fiscally responsible by choosing the iphone4?

I see they have finally gotten around to releasing froyo to you guys Too bad the next OS is pretty much out there. How long will you have to wait for Bell to adapt Gingerbread to the Galaxy S? Make fun of apple all you want but they were smart to control the OS releases for their devices so that EVERYONE gets them at the same time the moment they are released not a generation behind or more depending on where you live and your provider.

I love how anyone who logically defends an apple product is a 'fanboi'. Can people not fathom that people have made educated decisions and have chosen an apple product based on it being best for them? no couldn't be... could it? In the haste to bash everything apple the Android crowd comes off far more arrogant than apple users. Remember this thread is called 'Why Android is better than iphone'. Apple defenders didn't start the unfounded attack on other peoples choices here.
 
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Apple haters can't accept the fact that Apple kicks *** in the consumer market. People WANT their products, and that's all that counts.
 
Duster929 said:
This thread has been discussing whether or not Apple is a superior product to the Android phones. You suggested that factual information on this topic is more relevant than consumer perception. My point is that the ONLY thing that matters in determining the superiority of a product is consumer perception and consumer choice. If your product is superior on some measure, but consumers perceive it to be inferior, then you have used the wrong measurement of superiority.

If Android phones are substantially more reliable than Apple phones, and customers don't care, then your measurement of reliability is irrelevant and not worth discussing. This is what most tech companies, and tech people in general, don't seem to really comprehend. They dismiss the great unwashed masses as uneducated, uninformed, or having drunk kool-aid, or "fanibois" (what a stupid word). And in so doing, they miss the entire point of what technology development is about. It's about developing products that people use, and like to use, to do things in their lives. The key word in this sentence is "people". What do they want? What do they like? What are they buying? What you think they should buy is, frankly, irrelevant.

Start listening, stop talking.
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to be factual, my first comment in this thread was to agree with the analogy of apple to ferrari, because from the beginning, i have clearly stated that apple enjoys an advantage based on os and marketing--both in sales and design. no question there.

i pointed out that where they don't have an advantage is in power or build.
that opened up the whole issue of reliability for some, because they questioned my statement.

fine, if people want to buy products based not on objective measures, but on perception as you insist, more power to them. not for a second have i suggested otherwise.

apple products do enjoy superiority over other products on those criteria. they are good. are they necessarily the best? i don't think so, and for the reasons i have mentioned.

dismiss it how you will, and continue enjoying your apple products.

lol, more than a lot of posters here, i have read and understood what others have written.
 
Apple ABSOLUTELY has an advantage in build quality, wtf are you smoking? They also have an advantage in customer support, in reliability, in overall product design, and finally and most importantly in operating system design and usability. These are the reasons why their products succeed.

And only nerds complain about lack of "power" and "megahurtz!!!"... because they're techie nerds. They don't see the whole picture, they just see a spec sheet.
 
iridebikes said:
Apple ABSOLUTELY has an advantage in build quality, wtf are you smoking? They also have an advantage in customer support, in reliability, in overall product design, and finally and most importantly in operating system design and usability. These are the reasons why their products succeed.

And only nerds complain about lack of "power" and "megahurtz!!!"... because they're techie nerds. They don't see the whole picture, they just see a spec sheet.
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in terms of build quality and reliability, they have an advantage over some, not all. let's be clear here, and not overstate things.
 
FullMotoJacket said:
The comedy level has shot off the scale in this thread, that's for sure. There's no other way to describe it when someone has bought into the Apple doctrine 5 times (?!?!) turns around and calls someone who hates Steve Jobs' business practices and unethical treatment of friends/suppliers, but bought the one product that does stand above everyone elses.....once it's had it's DRM stripped (jailbroken), is the only one of the group (smartphone) that doesn't feel like a plastic toy a fanboi. Priceless.

Yes, the banner's been there since day one.
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you see, i wrote that there are five apple products in my house. all bought for my wife and kids, who have very little tech savvy or acumen. it is perfect for their level of comfort with technology. the iOS fits their knowledge and skill level perfectly.

as a result, i am proficient in using iOS products (q.e.d.), but don't actually use any of them for personal use. the iphone might be the only exception, now that my bb is coming off contract soon, and for reasons i've already enunciated.

goes to show what your assumptions are
 
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