Why Android is better than iPhone.

afong56 said:
let's be blunt. apple has only two advantages over any other tech company right now: an operating system and marketing.

that's it.

the analogy of an automatic transmission and a pretty badge is 100% accurate.

the apple os is the slushbox of the tech world--designed to be used by the least tech savvy people and neo-luddites of the world, because it is literally idiot proof. it also happens to have the advantage of working pretty well, since that's what apple's targeted marketing affirms.

they sell their products cleverly, and make them pretty. that's the second advantage. they spend an awful lot of time getting this part right. to the point where they have a 'culture' and a rabid following. literally, it's like people have 'drunk the kool-aid'.

are their products more powerful or better made?

no. macs now use all of the same components that can be found in any other made in china laptop, so the processor advantage they once enjoyed is gone. the iphone rolls out of the same foxconn factories that any number of other non-apple products do. reliability numbers for macs and ipods are middling and the iphone enjoys only a scant margin over other manufacturers like htc--note the vast numbers of refurb apple products available, how quickly they appear after a product launch, and how they are continuously available afterwards.

for the longest time, apple was a niche market company, but their ipod (and of course itunes) has funded their diversification and led their marketing branding out of the wilderness.

as others have said, will i buy an iphone? yes, i might. there are better mp3 players and better computers/laptops out there, but right now, the iphone has a slight lead over the androids, imho. will that last? probably not.

in fact, at the end of the day, most people's satisfaction with their cellphones has a lot more to do with their service provider than the hunk of metal and plastic they are using to make their calls.
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What a load of nonsense...lol.

1) LOL at acting like making some ludicrously complex tech gadget that only NASA engineers can operate seem like some sort of accomplishment. What is the point of making commercially viable product that only 5% of the population can use?

2) They sell they're products cleverly? As opposed to stupidly? I dont get it?

3) Making them pretty? OH the horror!! Imagine that, bringing aesthetics and industrial design to tech!! I mean its not like we buy Cars, Watches, Houses, Clothes, Furniture, Bikes, etc for their aesthetic appeal...oh wait we do!

4) Mac's offer a stable, reliable, easy and powerful computing experience without the bullshizz of worrying about hardware conflicts, drivers and other crap. Mac's appeal isnt that they are the most poweful computing machines on the planet (because in the real world nobody but your WoW buddies care how many cores your computer has). People want to be able use their computers like they use their toasters.

5) What is this nonsense about having vast numbers of refurbs? In comparison to who? Tell us how quickly do the appear after product launch? WTH does this entire post mean? Apple's reliability numbers are middling? A recent survey done by PCWORLD (so dont accuse it of being biased) was titled APPLE SMOKES the Competition.

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I worked in the IT field for a number of years so I've seen and heard it all. And I can tell you with utmost certainty that all Apple haters are either techie nerds, or friends of techie nerds. Casual users and people who aren't exposed to computer geekery have nothing against Apple and recognize them for the innovator that they are. You want a computer that works and doesn't require tinkering and heavy maintenance? You buy Apple. You pay a premium from the start, but the level of support and reliability are clearly unparalleled. PC manufacturers simply do not compete. I've been called by enough friends and relatives over the years to help set up their new Winblows laptops and computers because they were unable to do so themselves.

Apple is the complete package, and PC nerds are inherently against an "all in one" solution because its in their DNA. They need to tinker and mess around and they can't accept that a computer company has actually come out with a product that requires none of that, so they're naturally against it. Apple covers it all... product design, aesthetics, software integration, support, reliability, stability, and its pushed by awesome marketing. But PC nerds think its all marketing and hype, as if it would ever be possible for a company to become as successful as Apple by selling shoddy products. :lol:
 
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What a load of nonsense...lol.

1) LOL at acting like making some ludicrously complex tech gadget that only NASA engineers can operate seem like some sort of accomplishment. What is the point of making commercially viable product that only 5% of the population can use?

2) They sell they're products cleverly? As opposed to stupidly? I dont get it?

3) Making them pretty? OH the horror!! Imagine that, bringing aesthetics and industrial design to tech!! I mean its not like we buy Cars, Watches, Houses, Clothes, Furniture, Bikes, etc for their aesthetic appeal...oh wait we do!

4) Mac's offer a stable, reliable, easy and powerful computing experience without the bullshizz of worrying about hardware conflicts, drivers and other crap. Mac's appeal isnt that they are the most poweful computing machines on the planet (because in the real world nobody but your WoW buddies care how many cores your computer has). People want to be able use their computers like they use their toasters.

5) What is this nonsense about having vast numbers of refurbs? In comparison to who? Tell us how quickly do the appear after product launch? WTH does this entire post mean? Apple's reliability numbers are middling? A recent survey done by PCWORLD (so dont accuse it of being biased) was titled APPLE SMOKES the Competition.
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first, i don't know why it's difficult to understand a clever marketing campaign from one that isn't. apple is extremely effective at selling itself while avoiding emphasizing the technology behind it. in sales, it's called 'benefits, not features'. it comes across as a lifestyle choice, as a fashion accessory. then it propagates.

could they have had an 'un-clever' campaign? yep. see where they were as a company for about 2 decades before the ipod emerged? they got smarter.

apple has always been about the cute form factor. should other companies have spent some time working on their aesthetics? maybe. but apple literally goes to great pains, and apple fanbois inevitably use that as their first criterion of assessment, and how well it works is second. the first ipods were beaten regularly on sound quality and audiophiles hated them. they still sold a bajillion of them, and now they actually sound on par with most mp3 players. too bad they still use mediocre headphones out of the box.

as for stats, i used this one:

http://www.squaretrade.com/htm/pdf/SquareTrade_laptop_reliability_1109.pdf

which used actual insurance claim figures not user/owner responses to a single magazine survey.

is my source less accurate? i doubt it.

calling my comments a load of nonsense is overstated hyperbole on your part, frankly.

iridebikes said:
I worked in the IT field for a number of years so I've seen and heard it all. And I can tell you with utmost certainty that all Apple haters are either techie nerds, or friends of techie nerds. Casual users and people who aren't exposed to computer geekery have nothing against Apple and recognize them for the innovator that they are. You want a computer that works and doesn't require tinkering and heavy maintenance? You buy Apple. You pay a premium from the start, but the level of support and reliability are clearly unparalleled. PC manufacturers simply do not compete. I've been called by enough friends and relatives over the years to help set up their new Winblows laptops and computers because they were unable to do so themselves.

Apple is the complete package, and PC nerds are inherently against an "all in one" solution because its in their DNA. They need to tinker and mess around and they can't accept that a computer company has actually come out with a product that requires none of that, so they're naturally against it. Apple covers it all... product design, aesthetics, software integration, support, reliability, stability, and its pushed by awesome marketing. But PC nerds think its all marketing and hype, as if it would ever be possible for a company to become as successful as Apple by selling shoddy products. :lol:
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i am far from a techie nerd. i have modest computer skills. but i can easily use most windows-based os and have never met a problem (other than hardware failure) that i could not resolve. in my house are no less than five apple products, including the latest i7 mbp, and the latest 32gb ipod touch. could a 4g iphone join that stable? perhaps. but i'm not going to blindly grab it because apple makes it.

i have not drunk the kool-aid.

case in point: i bought the i7 mbp for my daughter after doing some research into what software the industry she wants to pursue uses. prior to that, i casually mentioned to two colleagues (both mac users) what advice they had.

literally the first things out of their mouths were the words: "we know nothing about computers".

half an hour later, they were practically foaming from the mouth and insisting that "you'd be an idiot not to buy a macbook".

so, am i to take the advice of two people who openly avowed that they 'know nothing about computers' to buy an apple?

what makes people who should otherwise know better become such zealots?

of course, their advice factored not at all into my purchase decision, but it was an eye-opening, if not laughable, anecdote.

apple products are good. are they vastly superior? not in my opinion.
 
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iridebikes said:
Yes. Who sent you?
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if these are serious questions, then perhaps you should explain.

i have no idea what you're getting at. . .sorry.

fwiw, i think someone else wrote that the iphone premium was not that large in comparison to similarly featured smartphones. i agree. i still might choose not to buy it, but it sure isn't as out of whack as the mbp is--that premium is almost 2.5x the comparable pc laptop. insane, imho.
 
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Who sent you?
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afong56 said:
uhm. . .what?

is that a question for me?
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iridebikes said:
Yes. Who sent you?
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afong56 said:
if these are serious questions, then perhaps you should explain.

i have no idea what you're getting at. . .sorry.

fwiw, i think someone else wrote that the iphone premium was not that large in comparison to similarly featured smartphones. i agree. i still might choose not to buy it, but it sure isn't as out of whack as the mbp is--that premium is almost 2.5x the comparable pc laptop. insane, imho.
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iridebikes said:
Somebody sent you and we demand to know who. Who do you work for?
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I'm guessing it's your endlessly long essay on PC chipsets, and why you chose to use them in a thread about cellphones that has them puzzled.


Just a guess.
 
FullMotoJacket said:
I'm guessing it's your endlessly long essay on PC chipsets, and why you chose to use them in a thread about cellphones that has them puzzled.


Just a guess.
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uhm, having actually read all 10 pages of posts, this thread is definitely not just about iphones. the fact that you read my posts and came up with 'chipsets' is bizarre. . .apparently you skim very poorly, since i commented about apple iphones in just about every post, and how they, like every other apple product, is built, marketed, and sold.
 
Perhaps you'd like to explain how the PC chipset your daughter needs for her particular computing use is relevant to the thread then? You did go on ad nauseum about i7s for a reason, no?
 
FullMotoJacket said:
Perhaps you'd like to explain how the PC chipset your daughter needs for her particular computing use is relevant to the thread then? You did go on ad nauseum about i7s for a reason, no?
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i get the impression that you didn't bother to actually read my posts. . .

first of all, i mentioned it twice. apparently in your mind that qualifies as ad nauseum. . .oh well, you fixated on two words out of about 300. maybe the question is how from that you managed to divine that i was writing about chipsets. . .lol.

second, it goes to the contention that apple's advantage is marketing and a slick os. . .and that's all.

there is no hardware advantage. the fact that apple now even uses the exact same components under the hood of their products as ms-os products proves this.

foxconn is one of the biggest electronics manufacturers in the world. they make iphones and ipods for apple on contract. out of the same factories roll products from dell, nokia, sony-ericsson, and many others, including microsoft. ergo, no advantage there either.

but if you'd actually read my posts, you'd already know this.

edit: i am amazed at how much panties get in a twist if someone writes posts that deigns to suggest that apple products are not the perfection of their kind, lol, even if those posts are laudatory about the marketing and iOS. . .

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every single day, my apple products amaze me.
im happy.
 
afong56 said:
first, i don't know why it's difficult to understand a clever marketing campaign from one that isn't. apple is extremely effective at selling itself while avoiding emphasizing the technology behind it. in sales, it's called 'benefits, not features'. it comes across as a lifestyle choice, as a fashion accessory. then it propagates.

could they have had an 'un-clever' campaign? yep. see where they were as a company for about 2 decades before the ipod emerged? they got smarter.

apple has always been about the cute form factor. should other companies have spent some time working on their aesthetics? maybe. but apple literally goes to great pains, and apple fanbois inevitably use that as their first criterion of assessment, and how well it works is second. the first ipods were beaten regularly on sound quality and audiophiles hated them. they still sold a bajillion of them, and now they actually sound on par with most mp3 players. too bad they still use mediocre headphones out of the box.

as for stats, i used this one:

http://www.squaretrade.com/htm/pdf/SquareTrade_laptop_reliability_1109.pdf

which used actual insurance claim figures not user/owner responses to a single magazine survey.

is my source less accurate? i doubt it.

calling my comments a load of nonsense is overstated hyperbole on your part, frankly.
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Its absolutely nonsense. Nothing you said in any of your posts has anything even remotely resembling a fact to back up your points.

First of you make it seem like focusing on benefits over features is a bad thing. The insanity of rattling of a bunch of random technobable in a commercial is exactly why these tech companies get a sound beating from Apple. Lets just call this whole point (which I have heard from other Apple bashers) for what it is. SOUR GRAPES. You guys are just ****** that Apple is beating the living bejeezus out of you guys from a marketing and sales stand point and the little PC kabal is butt hurt about it. LOL @ "fashion accessory"...nonsense

Apple has always been about the cute factor??? WTF?? Says who? You? Please...nonsense. Apple wins damn near every industrial award out there...while PC's continue to turn out the same hideous beige boxes.
http://www.macnn.com/articles/08/03/08/apple.wins.8.if.awards/
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10231135-37.html
This is another case of the SOUR GRAPES....waaaahh, there products are too "cute"...how in the hell is the iMac, iPad, Mac Mini etc cute? Who gives a two rats f**ck what audiophiles want. This is like building a sedan and then worrying about what the F1 Racers will feel about it. Why in the world would Apple care about what such a small segment of the market thinks?

Nice try with the link...but

a) Its not insurance claims or whatever you claimed it is. This is what it is

This analysis examines customer reported failure data from a sample of over 30,000 new laptops purchased by SquareTrade customers over the past three years (see Appendix for sample details). SquareTrade offers warranty plans that cover accidental damage as well as standard hardware failures

warrantee claims from the customers of ONE SPECIFIC COMPANY. All this means is that for the customers who bought from this company and then further narrowed down to the ones that purchased the extended warranty. So essentially...meaningless. The other results are based on customer feedback. Thats all that matters "What the customer thinks"...when the PC kabal finally figures this out then maybe we can have this discussion again.
 
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afong56 said:
first, i don't know why it's difficult to understand a clever marketing campaign from one that isn't. apple is extremely effective at selling itself while avoiding emphasizing the technology behind it. in sales, it's called 'benefits, not features'. it comes across as a lifestyle choice, as a fashion accessory. then it propagates.

could they have had an 'un-clever' campaign? yep. see where they were as a company for about 2 decades before the ipod emerged? they got smarter.

apple has always been about the cute form factor. should other companies have spent some time working on their aesthetics? maybe. but apple literally goes to great pains, and apple fanbois inevitably use that as their first criterion of assessment, and how well it works is second. the first ipods were beaten regularly on sound quality and audiophiles hated them. they still sold a bajillion of them, and now they actually sound on par with most mp3 players. too bad they still use mediocre headphones out of the box.

as for stats, i used this one:

http://www.squaretrade.com/htm/pdf/SquareTrade_laptop_reliability_1109.pdf

which used actual insurance claim figures not user/owner responses to a single magazine survey.

is my source less accurate? i doubt it.

calling my comments a load of nonsense is overstated hyperbole on your part, frankly.



i am far from a techie nerd. i have modest computer skills. but i can easily use most windows-based os and have never met a problem (other than hardware failure) that i could not resolve. in my house are no less than five apple products, including the latest i7 mbp, and the latest 32gb ipod touch. could a 4g iphone join that stable? perhaps. but i'm not going to blindly grab it because apple makes it.

i have not drunk the kool-aid.

case in point: i bought the i7 mbp for my daughter after doing some research into what software the industry she wants to pursue uses. prior to that, i casually mentioned to two colleagues (both mac users) what advice they had.

literally the first things out of their mouths were the words: "we know nothing about computers".

half an hour later, they were practically foaming from the mouth and insisting that "you'd be an idiot not to buy a macbook".

so, am i to take the advice of two people who openly avowed that they 'know nothing about computers' to buy an apple?

what makes people who should otherwise know better become such zealots?

of course, their advice factored not at all into my purchase decision, but it was an eye-opening, if not laughable, anecdote.

apple products are good. are they vastly superior? not in my opinion.
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Besides Post 1. This ^^^^^ is the next best post in this thread.



EDIT : Check out Google's top 10 search list. It's the "kids" that are making this brand popular.

Virtually everything on this list is "kid" related. games website Friv? Justin Bieber? ipad? Katy Perry? Nick Minaj? iphone? Chatroulette?

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2010/12/11/ipad-was-2010s-no-2-hot-google-query/

Apples 15 minutes will be up when the kids find the next "big thing".





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