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What drives you to push yourself?

Sick. I've met very few ppl aside from myself that use failure, rage, hatred, or other traditionally "negative" forms of motivation.

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Can't agree with this more. The faster, stronger, and richer you become, the more people want to **** over your success.
I have never found it that way. Through school I was a successful student and athlete, following that I did ok in a suit as a JT exec, followed by a stint building a successful small biz. While I’ve seen others ****** over after achieving success, most of them deserved it based on how they got there and/or what the did with their success.

I don’t recall ever being ****** over because I was successful, in fact I found lots looking to emulate my success. I learned that how you get success and how you manage it once you have it is important.
 
I hated school sports they didn't ride motorcycles.
 
I thought it was black oil well, can we have ruling on that, what is the correct translation?
... never mind, google translate wants it to be scarlet today (y)
 
I have never found it that way. Through school I was a successful student and athlete, following that I did ok in a suit as a JT exec, followed by a stint building a successful small biz. While I’ve seen others ****** over after achieving success, most of them deserved it based on how they got there and/or what the did with their success.

I don’t recall ever being ****** over because I was successful, in fact I found lots looking to emulate my success. I learned that how you get success and how you manage it once you have it is important.

I figured, no offense. The differences in our world views probably stems from what we've gone through in life. My wife and I have experiences with family members trying to **** us over when success happens: kinda hard to see the world in rainbows when your close relatives are monsters. I envy you if your experiences are "normal."

Oil Well Scarlet

you post some very in depth, personal stuff
I enjoy reading it

the way you describe your junior school years....
bothers me, to hear that was going on

LMAO. I forgot the literal translation for my name is that.

It's all good. I only started talking about it after reading David Goggins' "Can't Hurt Me" last year. His childhood is worse than my ****. This stuff was never covered in school either.

I got a buddy who had an emotional breakdown 2 months ago; dude literally went on 4 hour rant about how BLM was undermining Hong Kong (our group frds include both Chinese and black so....yea lol not a good idea); his girl friend immediately dumped him in front of everyone.

I pulled him aside and asked "did your mom manipulate you as a kid?" There's something about having a traumatic childhood that gives a sixth sense when you're near someone with a similar past.

Long story short, we were both crying after talking for a bit lol. When you go through this ****, you feel alone for literally decades because nobody can relate to it...and there's always the looming thought, like a reaper waiting to destroy your sanity, asking "are you crazy?"

Goggins' made me realize I'm not crazy. I hope I can repay the favor to others =)
 
A) MONEY for retirement and to pay for hobbies
B) Keep the family energy good (enough to live comfortably + have savings)
C) Social stigma <-- I don't think white people understands how big this is..

A is a fickle one but money and what I can do with money is a huge reason why I went to school for engineering.....

^ I think money can buy you some happiness because it just might let you pursue your goals like having kids...


Random house example...
Average price of a detached home in KW is $742,596 (REALTORS® SELL A RECORD NUMBER OF HOMES IN OCTOBER - Kitchener-Waterloo Association of REALTORS®)
25% of $724,596 is $181,149
If it's a older house you might need ~$50-100k for reno and whatnot so $250,000 - 300.000 required

Good luck building to $250,000-300,000 on a meager $50,000 salary (net pay ~$38,746)

-- HISA rates are sh8t and this won't change because the Bank of Canada has already said interest rates will stay low into 2023 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/bank-of-canada-rate-decision-1.5779813)

-- Student debt (4 years * $17,100 UW Engineering TUITION and this doesn't include a bunch of the other fees = $68,400)

-- Car loan
-- Cost of living

Lets say you live really frugal and save 40% (~$15,498.40)...... To pay off $368,400 would take you 23.77 YEARS or basically 24 years. So if you graduated around 25 years old you can't buy a house until you are retirement age (~49). This is messed up right :)?

If you really want to pursue your life goals / careers then become a entrepreneur and risk losing everything for that potential couple million. Why? The other option is slaving away for 24 years (hopefully continuous employment or very close) and your health doesn't go to poop.

Or find a girlfriend or partner but if you are in your 30s living in your parent's basement hmm you aren't very eligible.. Actually, if you are Chinese or w/e Asian culture your parents might try to arrange a marriage or just kick you out onto the streets and call you a lost cause lol. But if decide to bare-back and then kids start coming out (which is reasonable due to the 24 year time frame) then bye bye detached house if both of you are making ~$50k

For the wise members, is a combined income of ~$120,000-150,000 good enough?
 
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I'd suggest 120k-150k can make a go of it, LIVING WITHIN YOUR MEANS. If your willing to stay out of expensive holidays, drive an ok car and not blow your brains out keeping up with friends that may make more than you.
Hopefully your wages will increase with experience and often just time served, maybe a windfall comes along (dead bachelor uncle)
 
If you really want to pursue your life goals / careers then become a entrepreneur and risk losing everything for that potential couple million. Why? The other option is slaving away for 24 years (hopefully continuous employment or very close) and your health doesn't go to poop.

Pretty sure those aren't the *only* two options to becoming financially well-off...

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A) MONEY for retirement and to pay for hobbies
B) Keep the family energy good (enough to live comfortably + have savings)
C) Social stigma
A is a fickle one but money and what I can do with money is a huge reason why I went to school for engineering.....

^ I think money can buy you some happiness because it just might let you pursue your goals like having kids...


Random house example...
Average price of a detached home in KW is $742,596 (REALTORS SELL A RECORD NUMBER OF HOMES IN OCTOBER - Kitchener-Waterloo Association of REALTORS)
25% of $724,596 is $181,149
If it's a older house you might need ~$50-100k for reno and whatnot so $250,000 - 300.000 required

Good luck building to $250,000-300,000 on a meager $50,000 salary (net pay ~$38,746)

-- HISA rates are sh8t and this won't change because the Bank of Canada has already said interest rates will stay low into 2023 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/bank-of-canada-rate-decision-1.5779813)

-- Student debt (4 years * $17,100 UW Engineering TUITION and this doesn't include a bunch of the other fees = $68,400)

-- Car loan
-- Cost of living

Lets say you live really frugal and save 40% (~$15,498.40)...... To pay off $368,400 would take you 23.77 YEARS or basically 24 years. So if you graduated around 25 years old you can't buy a house until you are retirement age (~49). This is messed up right :)?

If you really want to pursue your life goals / careers then become a entrepreneur and risk losing everything for that potential couple million. Why? The other option is slaving away for 24 years (hopefully continuous employment or very close) and your health doesn't go to poop.

Or find a girlfriend or partner but if you are in your 30s living in your parent's basement hmm you aren't very eligible.. Actually, if you are Chinese or w/e Asian culture your parents might try to arrange a marriage or just kick you out onto the streets and call you a lost cause lol. But if decide to bare-back and then kids start coming out (which is reasonable due to the 24 year time frame) then bye bye detached house if both of you are making ~$50k

For the wise members, is a combined income of ~$120,000-150,000 good enough?
You don't need an average house for a first house you should be looking at the cheapest house available without condo fees. Also it doesn't usually need fixed up if it is livable but ugly and dated deal with it until you can afford to slowly fix it up. The only things that need fixed are structural kitchens bathroom etc is usually working but decrepit.

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As you know, I'm Taiwanese. My wife, however, is not East Asian. While my sample size isn't large, I've had a 7~ long term relationships with Asian women. Even if I focus solely on my own flaws for why those relationships failed, I honestly found most Asian women a pain in the ass.

The stereotype that applies to the entitled white Karen that comes from a rich family applies to a lot of Asian girls in a different way. $10,000 worth of heels (>70% were gifts lol), a BMW whatever, and the expectation that a guy carries them because they are pretty.

Somebody here gave me advice a few years ago about finding a girl who is hardworking and knows suffering....well, that dude wasn't wrong LOL. My wife exiled herself out of her family and proceeded to live independently by 22. It shows, she has a can do it attitude, she carries herself (and me sometimes), and she's comfortable enough with herself to know her weaknesses are my strengths and my weaknesses her strengths. I bring this up because finding a equally capable life-long lover/partner in crime is worth it, hard, might result in heart break, but the rewards are amazing.

Or find a girlfriend or partner but if you are in your 30s living in your parent's basement hmm you aren't very eligible.. Actually, if you are Chinese or w/e Asian culture your parents might try to arrange a marriage or just kick you out onto the streets and call you a lost cause lol
Isn't this is a western/white thing and not an Asian thing? I'm friends with two very "stereotypically white Canadians" and they both got booted out of their home at age 18. My dad used to joke about how he's not gonna boot me out like white dads (lol) so the stereotype definitely transcends generations. Most Asians I've met have parents that want them to stay lol (married couples at 30 living with parents isn't uncommon, this is mostly Hong Kong and Taiwan, not sure about China, Korea, or Japanese culture.)

If you really want to pursue your life goals / careers then become a entrepreneur and risk losing everything for that potential couple million. Why? The other option is slaving away for 24 years (hopefully continuous employment or very close) and your health doesn't go to poop.
Dude, the stereotypical "Asian-mom-beating-you-for-not-being-one-if-you-aren't" professions are still safe lol. Software developer, accountant, doctor, nurse, anything finance, pharmacist, and dentist are the most obvious ones. I think accountant and nurse are the lowest paying ones here but considering the extra work needed for the others, it makes sense.

For the wise members, is a combined income of ~$120,000-150,000 good enough?
My wife and I make around this combined. I work, on average, 32 hours a week. I literally have 52% of the year off (did the math.) We exploited COVID's initial market crash and recently bought a 2 bed room condo along the Yonge Line. Even after all bills we're sitting at around 48% extra income. I mentioned the 32 hours a week thing because I know I'm being a slacking piece of ****: we could break $200k if I actually tried. That extra money can easily be used to invest.

Something I learned a decade ago, and admittedly much of this is from gaming, is that to win there must be losers. For every statistic there is a lower and upper bound. We choose if we are on the "winning side" or the "losing side." When my friends were out partying, I was reading investment books. When they were sleeping after the party, I was at the gym at 5AM, lifting while intoxicated sometimes post parties. Look at the average statistics for weight, strength, speed, and income. How far above are you compared to those pathetically low numbers? Be realistic. If it makes you upset, do something about it. If my stupid, abused, mentally stunted ass managed to hit the 90% percentile on this, it goes to show how pathetically low the bar is. You can easily do it as well.

But if decide to bare-back and then kids start coming out (which is reasonable due to the 24 year time frame) then bye bye detached house if both of you are making ~$50k
Here's a ridiculous idea: don't have kids. We have too many humans on Earth anyway. And if you want kids in a system that already has too much supply of a specific resource (yes, humans are resources as ****** up as that sounds), get ready to pay. If this sounds heartless: it's because it is. The system doesn't give a **** or have a heart.
 
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For me it was (and is in some instance) money...and not because I'm a greedy mofo, but because it would allow me and my wife to provide things for the family which we wouldn't be able to otherwise.

I took 2 years of my life away from my wife and son, and 1 year from my daughter and it sucked emotionally. Over the last few months it got worse and worse and frankly I almost felt I was speeding towards depression. I loathed the day I was to leave the house, and then counted down each day that meant I'm closer to home.

Financially, it was one of the best decisions I ever made. For the family, not so much. Could feel a distance growing b/w me and my wife, kids and rest of family and friends as I just simply wasn't around.

2 years and I've had enough. Started looking for a job, got a job as a PM (as I started a thread a while back) and am now working from home (great for being home, horrible with a screaming toddler) and not sure if this was the right choice. Might be that I'm still gaining traction, but I miss the construction world.

So now I'm home, able to make a good / decent living and thanks to the BC job (and a very well timed real estate sale) we are able to enjoy the time together with the family. I love that part. Have already had an offer of a good opportunity to work back in BC on a new project, and as it's in the spring I'll give this a whirl and then decide.

As others have said, there's nothing free...the direction you choose has consequences. Mine had a family consequence. As for the job here, I'll give it my best and see how it goes.
 
I'd suggest 120k-150k can make a go of it, LIVING WITHIN YOUR MEANS. If your willing to stay out of expensive holidays, drive an ok car and not blow your brains out keeping up with friends that may make more than you.
Hopefully your wages will increase with experience and often just time served, maybe a windfall comes along (dead bachelor uncle)

There is some evidence that a person's personality is fixed. If they are poor and unhappy and win a lottery they may become happy for a few years but their old personality comes back. They become rich and unhappy.

Similarly people that lose it all learn to adjust and get over financial issues.

Canada's pretty good at letting a person survive the down times. The problems of the homeless are more to do with mental health than money. IMO.
 
A) MONEY for retirement and to pay for hobbies
B) Keep the family energy good (enough to live comfortably + have savings)
C) Social stigma <-- I don't think white people understands how big this is..

A is a fickle one but money and what I can do with money is a huge reason why I went to school for engineering.....

^ I think money can buy you some happiness because it just might let you pursue your goals like having kids...


Random house example...
Average price of a detached home in KW is $742,596 (REALTORS® SELL A RECORD NUMBER OF HOMES IN OCTOBER - Kitchener-Waterloo Association of REALTORS®)
25% of $724,596 is $181,149
If it's a older house you might need ~$50-100k for reno and whatnot so $250,000 - 300.000 required

Good luck building to $250,000-300,000 on a meager $50,000 salary (net pay ~$38,746)

-- HISA rates are sh8t and this won't change because the Bank of Canada has already said interest rates will stay low into 2023 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/bank-of-canada-rate-decision-1.5779813)

-- Student debt (4 years * $17,100 UW Engineering TUITION and this doesn't include a bunch of the other fees = $68,400)

-- Car loan
-- Cost of living

Lets say you live really frugal and save 40% (~$15,498.40)...... To pay off $368,400 would take you 23.77 YEARS or basically 24 years. So if you graduated around 25 years old you can't buy a house until you are retirement age (~49). This is messed up right :)?

If you really want to pursue your life goals / careers then become a entrepreneur and risk losing everything for that potential couple million. Why? The other option is slaving away for 24 years (hopefully continuous employment or very close) and your health doesn't go to poop.

Or find a girlfriend or partner but if you are in your 30s living in your parent's basement hmm you aren't very eligible.. Actually, if you are Chinese or w/e Asian culture your parents might try to arrange a marriage or just kick you out onto the streets and call you a lost cause lol. But if decide to bare-back and then kids start coming out (which is reasonable due to the 24 year time frame) then bye bye detached house if both of you are making ~$50k

For the wise members, is a combined income of ~$120,000-150,000 good enough?
Not sure I follow all your points.

Tuition: 4 years @ 17,100 = $68K for tuition, I get that. What did you do with the time between April 15 and Labor Day (summer work)? My kids made at least $20K each summer, one as a pool mechanic ($1200/week), one a cart girl at a golf course ($1600/week), one as a greenskeeper at $800/week. 2 left 4 years of university with less than $20K student debt, one had $zero.

House: In KW a small, clean entry level house is in the low $400K area. That requires about $30K down, an newly minted Engineer ought to save that in a year or two. You need about $100K income to carry that mortgage, it would cost less than <$2K/mo. Pat $2100 and you'll pay it off in 20 years. So, graduate at 22, save till 25, buy the house and have it paid off at age 45.
 
If you really want to pursue your life goals / careers then become a entrepreneur and risk losing everything for that potential couple million. Why? The other option is slaving away for 24 years (hopefully continuous employment or very close) and your health doesn't go to poop.

So jealous of people that are able to do this...I don't even know WHAT I would do as an entrepreneur...have seen some guys go out on their own and do well...but no one has been a breakout success in my circle of friends.

#1 problem for me...idea. LoL Me and a billion others.
 
Not sure I follow all your points.

Tuition: 4 years @ 17,100 = $68K for tuition, I get that. What did you do with the time between April 15 and Labor Day (summer work)? My kids made at least $20K each summer, one as a pool mechanic ($1200/week), one a cart girl at a golf course ($1600/week), one as a greenskeeper at $800/week. 2 left 4 years of university with less than $20K student debt, one had $zero.

House: In KW a small, clean entry level house is in the low $400K area. That requires about $30K down, an newly minted Engineer ought to save that in a year or two. You need about $100K income to carry that mortgage, it would cost less than <$2K/mo. Pat $2100 and you'll pay it off in 20 years. So, graduate at 22, save till 25, buy the house and have it paid off at age 45.

There isn't a problem. I understand his point of view. He's very likely close to my age (25-35) which means all the YouTube and Facebook **** targeting him has sent the same message I've seen:

"******* boomers ****** us all"
"The system is broken"

Those are the two most common viewpoints. There are never solutions and the "viewpoints" are really about spreading despair/hopelessness and causing instability. Whether or not this is manufactured or coincidental isn't something we'll know 'till kids learn about it in school.

I propose an alternate viewpoint because I'm being one of the ******* idiots that fell for the above. Accept the situation as is. Everything said is true. But I am strong enough to endure that ****, and I will take pride in surpassing all the losers that failed to adapt but instead choose to cry like a little *****. The alternative is to join the loser chant and echo the despair....might as well kill myself instead then (seriously, I've already been there, being a loser is so damn painful and it's a mindset more than anything else.)

EDIT: Hm, it just hit me that whining worked for a lot of my generation. It's probably why whining has become a weapon used in media to get what they want lol
 
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lol ya the boomers did it to you, everything was perfect before that, they had war.

If you identify with "boomers ****** everything up" and find it offensive, that's on you. I'm sure every generation will **** things up while attempting to fix things as well which opens the opportunity for the next generation to fix things (and get paid)....and **** things up. The cycle continues.
 
There isn't a problem. I understand his point of view. He's very likely close to my age (25-35) which means all the YouTube and Facebook **** targeting him has sent the same message I've seen:

"******* boomers ****** us all"
"The system is broken"

Those are the two most common viewpoints. There are never solutions and the "viewpoints" are really about spreading despair/hopelessness and causing instability. Whether or not this is manufactured or coincidental isn't something we'll know 'till kids learn about it in school.

That's pretty much why they call it the Snowflake Generation.
...I propose an alternate viewpoint because I'm being one of the ******* idiots that fell for the above. Accept the situation as is. Everything said is true. But I am strong enough to endure that ****, and I will take pride in surpassing all the losers that failed to adapt but instead choose to cry like a little *****. The alternative is to join the loser chant and echo the despair....might as well kill myself instead then (seriously, I've already been there, being a loser is so damn painful and it's a mindset more than anything else.)

EDIT: Hm, it just hit me that whining worked for a lot of my generation. It's probably why whining has become a weapon used in media to get what they want lol
Sounds like the snowflake is metamorphizing into an adult! Welcome to the Wiserhood!
 
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Sounds like the snowflake has metamorphizing into an adult! Welcome to the Wiserhood!

lol I'm not sure if being pragmatically realistic (aka. an *******) is better but it's worked for a decade+ now.
 

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