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Some more food for thought. There's actual evidence that being a pragmatic ******* (aka. a disagreeable boomer that refuses to adapt, the managers that want people to work at work during COVID but stay at home to work themselves, the millennial that doesn't give a **** about old ways and comes in with a sledgehammer, etc.) increases "success."

The way I've seen this manifest itself at a traditional workplace (average age 40+) versus a FAANG (average age 20-30) is different but equally brutal.

The traditional workplace consists of upper management that care more about maintaining existing order purely driving off ego because "don't fix what isn't broken." You can throw all the stats you want at them, but ego isn't rationale and it's a dick sucking contest. This leads to massively mismanaged projects because **** hits the fan even if some see it coming. Of course the managers will be fine though; just blame the front line guys and fire them.

A FAANG (or tech startup, we're really looking at average employee age) is just straight pragmatic brutality. IBM, Amazon, and Firefox all had very objective ways of measuring performance. Managers are expected to code. You will get let go if this drops and you're expected to learn outside of work or get thrown out. Ageism, as a result, is very real in software development; it's probably gonna get worse until a FAANG gets sued (Google pays $11M to job-seekers who alleged age discrimination | Hacker News lol they did get sued already.)

So for anyone reading this that's young and has a tendency to be highly disagreeable: go be an ******* and rise up. It's worked for previous generations and it's still working for the new gen.
 
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My close friend must have it figured out he's IBM's longest term employee.
I keep telling him he should retire but he still likes the job too much.
 
My close friend must have it figured out he's IBM's longest term employee.
I keep telling him he should retire but he still likes the job too much.


He's also at one of the more tolerable companies regarding age.


****, he must actually be good lol

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To be honest, I'm trying to laugh this **** off but jesus christ things are really ****** up when you remove the smoke and mirrors.
 
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He's also at one of the more tolerable companies regarding age.


****, he must actually be good lol

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To be honest, I'm trying to laugh this **** off but jesus christ things are really ****** up when you remove the smoke and mirrors.
Guess so, he's in his 70's

I think he does pretty much anything he wants to do there.
 
Guess so, he's in his 70's

I think he does pretty much anything he wants to do there.

I can see why he hasn't quit if he's having fun. I can honestly see myself programming forever because I won't be having kids and I do enjoy this stuff. Plus I don't want to to **** up cognitive functions by not thinking.
 
I've seen it at work plenty of times, especially most recently. I'm not the 'in your face' push push push type of person. And we brought up some new guys that have literally zero idea of what's going on in the project. But the boss loves them because they're the loudest, most arrogant, and just push through whatever agenda they want so long as it toes the line...even if it has zero chance of success (countless times). But they all love each other and blow one another all day long....it's a massive circle jerk that just frustrates those that want to see a project through. Ah well...maybe I'm the problem, hence I left. Never learned how to be that way, or suck off the bosses for advancement.
 
I think John would be one of those guys faced with the challenge of keeping the programmers busy.

and he runs the museum, they have one of those :geek:
and the natural park areas, that would be his too, he's another field naturalist ?
 
I've seen it at work plenty of times, especially most recently. I'm not the 'in your face' push push push type of person. And we brought up some new guys that have literally zero idea of what's going on in the project. But the boss loves them because they're the loudest, most arrogant, and just push through whatever agenda they want so long as it toes the line...even if it has zero chance of success (countless times). But they all love each other and blow one another all day long....it's a massive circle jerk that just frustrates those that want to see a project through. Ah well...maybe I'm the problem, hence I left. Never learned how to be that way, or suck off the bosses for advancement.

Eh....I can't say I'm as innocent as you because I spent a few years following those types before it hit me to "stop drinking the kool aid." Drinking the kool aid was easier; being an ******* means calling people out constantly in meetings for saying objectively wrong **** because being subtle (or nice) doesn't work. I find it extremely draining though and one needs to have leverage. Everyone will hate the ******* but as long as there's leverage they cannot fire said *******. I've seen this a few times now and have "evolved" into this for now. Tech companies seem to have systemized this.

The other path: go suck off the guys you mentioned. I've met a few managers like this. They talk a lot (usually in circles), don't actually have a clue of low level details, spend a lot of time playing politics, and spend near zero time figuring out if a plan will work and just blames the team after. I've only found this type outside of FAANGs or tech companies for reasons illustrated earlier. I think this is more dominate in tech than other fields tho because what was an issue 5 years ago is not an issue now but as hinted earlier....old folk tend to stop learning.
 
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ooo you are so wrong.
He loves coming here because he learns something almost every time.
 
actually another old guy said that to me on the weekend, he loves coming here because he learns something every time,
but he was talking about riding motorcycles.
 
ooo you are so wrong.
He loves coming here because he learns something almost every time.

Argue with Google, Facebook, Mircosoft, etc. etc. and good luck lol
 
Cognitive functions is why you need hobbies for when you retire. John obviously doesn't have enough hobbies.

What would google know about "old folk tend to stop learning" google wasn't even born until 1995 :LOL:
 
Cognitive functions is why you need hobbies for when you retire. John obviously doesn't have enough hobbies.

What would google know about "old folk tend to stop learning" google wasn't even born until 1995 :LOL:

Ignorance is bliss man lol

Keep it. I mean this respectfully because there are many things I wish I did not know.
 
Ignorance is bliss man lol

Keep it. I mean this respectfully because there are many things I wish I did not know.
One you Should have learned in your study of our culture a long time ago:
It's not just what you know, it's who you know.
 
Meh, I’ve found some driven folks don’t care about the risk reward assessments and sometimes they come out smelling like roses and other times, they flame out into dust.

For me, I always evaluate folks by their motives. If it’s primary ego, I don’t need to hitch my wagon to their ideas. My contributions wouldn’t be recognized anyways.

I found many different kind of leaders and those not threatened by talent and knowledge better than their own and give them room to do what they do best, or the most rewarded as well as respected.

Some are more successful but, their achievement is shallow and meaningless to others.

The extremes generally do carve a path of innovation. Some are penniless while others are worshiped. Truth is, it takes all kinds. Just recognize and learn to be yourself and not try to be something your not.


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