vaccine poll

[Brian P]

Can we let the no minds (anti vaxxers) skip the vaccine and have Darwin sort it out?

That will happen by default...

 

[BigEvilDoer]

Get my second dose on Canada day. First was Phizer. Decided to get Moderna instead of waiting 3 weeks longer for the Phizer.

Can we let the no minds (anti vaxxers) skip the vaccine and have Darwin sort it out?

Wish that was possible.
Unfortunately, the Delta variant is nasty, and still infects fully vaccinated people. As long as the Darwin specimens keep on doing as they have, the endemic will never come close to ending, as they will still infect the vaccinated ones at a smaller rate.

 

[ToSlow]

Wish that was possible.
Unfortunately, the Delta variant is nasty, and still infects fully vaccinated people. As long as the Darwin specimens keep on doing as they have, the endemic will never come close to ending, as they will still infect the vaccinated ones at a smaller rate.

If the vaccinated are still able to catch the new variant then it makes no difference rather it’s from someone who is not vaccinated or not. So you saying that the unvaccinated is at fault is misinformation and should be deleted from your post

 

[Brian P]

Probability and severity of infection are still lower, probably a lot lower (+/- 90%), when fully vaccinated.

 

[BigEvilDoer]

If the vaccinated are still able to catch the new variant then it makes no difference rather it’s from someone who is not vaccinated or not. So you saying that the unvaccinated is at fault is misinformation and should be deleted from your post

Nope. Not misinformation at all.
It's proven that people who are fully vaccinated can still catch COVID-19, but at a much smaller percentage rate than those who aren't.

So, the jack@sses who aren't getting vaccinated are at a much higher percentage of being infected, which in turn can be passed on to those who are vaccinated.

Please, turn off Tucker Carlson and Fox/OAN/etc and actually realize that as vaccinations increase, the number of cases are dropping quickly.
The vaccine isn't a cure-all. Wish it was. But the people who aren't getting it, are mainly at fault for continuing the spread in hot-spots.

 

[Dimitri]

Are smokers protected against SARS-CoV-2 infection (COVID-19)? The origins of the myth - npj Primary Care Respiratory Medicine

A number of recent studies have found low percentages of smokers among COVID-19 patients, causing scientists to conclude that smokers may be protected against SARS-CoV-2 infection. National and international media were interested in this story and we soon began receiving questions about this...

www.nature.com

Ironically, that is one of the many articles I read. It skips the fact that the articles last year never said you are less likely to get infected. But right at the start, it's shows itself to be slanted by the PhD candidate's need to produce anti-smoking literature for her boss at The Netherlands Expertise Centre for Tobacco Control listed as the second author.

Moreover, there is growing evidence that smokers have worse outcomes after contracting the virus than non-smokers3.

If you go to article cited. It actually says the opposite.

Conclusions: Compared with never smokers, current smokers appear to be at reduced risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection, while former smokers appear to be at increased risk of hospitalization, increased disease severity and mortality from COVID-19. However, it is uncertain whether these associations are causal.

So much bad science being passed off as "proof" and "evidence", and being properly "peer reviewed" when they can't catch such a glaring mistake.

 

[jc100]

Nope. Not misinformation at all.
It's proven that people who are fully vaccinated can still catch COVID-19, but at a much smaller percentage rate than those who aren't.

So, the jack@sses who aren't getting vaccinated are at a much higher percentage of being infected, which in turn can be passed on to those who are vaccinated.

Please, turn off Tucker Carlson and Fox/OAN/etc and actually realize that as vaccinations increase, the number of cases are dropping quickly.
The vaccine isn't a cure-all. Wish it was. But the people who aren't getting it, are mainly at fault for continuing the spread in hot-spots.

Australia is a good place to see how this pans out. They controlled things pretty well with lockdowns but once the variants arrived their lack of vaccinations showed. They are looking at more lockdowns right now. Same in the UK (opening delayed). Australia’s lack of vaccination is a supply issue not a refusal issue.

 

[jc100]

Ironically, that is one of the many articles I read. It skips the fact that the articles last year never said you are less likely to get infected. But right at the start, it's shows itself to be slanted by the PhD candidate's need to produce anti-smoking literature for her boss at The Netherlands Expertise Centre for Tobacco Control listed as the second author.



If you go to article cited. It actually says the opposite.



So much bad science being passed off as "proof" and "evidence", and being properly "peer reviewed" when they can't catch such a glaring mistake.

You seem to be under the impression that an article in Nature is easy to get and is likely flawed?

 

[BigEvilDoer]

Australia is a good place to see how this pans out. They controlled things pretty well with lockdowns but once the variants arrived their lack of vaccinations showed. They are looking at more lockdowns right now. Same in the UK (opening delayed). Australia’s lack of vaccination is a supply issue not a refusal issue.

I'm very surprised that Australia's vaccinations are as low as they, especially considering how hard they locked down and got things relatively under control. Let's hope that they catch up with the rest of the western world's vaccination rate soon.

 

[Dimitri]

It's proven that people who are fully vaccinated can still catch COVID-19, but at a much smaller percentage rate than those who aren't.

Not really, the first data that came out claiming that was from Israel, and the media ran with it. Pfizer published it as the gospel in March. But government policy over there means if you are a contact of someone with a positive case, if you are unvaccinated you need to be tested, if you are vaccinated they ignore you. The pre-print included...

Israel’s testing policy exempts fully-vaccinated persons from required testing when returning from travel abroad or if they are in contact with a confirmed case. Thus, this could lead to overestimating VE against infection.

 

[Dimitri]

You seem to be under the impression that an article in Nature is easy to get and is likely flawed?

Clearly, there is a low barrier to publishing, it is when the study's conclusion and the statement in the article say very different things. Especially when the error is in the introduction of said article.

 

[ToSlow]

Nope. Not misinformation at all.
It's proven that people who are fully vaccinated can still catch COVID-19, but at a much smaller percentage rate than those who aren't.

So, the jack@sses who aren't getting vaccinated are at a much higher percentage of being infected, which in turn can be passed on to those who are vaccinated.

Please, turn off Tucker Carlson and Fox/OAN/etc and actually realize that as vaccinations increase, the number of cases are dropping quickly.
The vaccine isn't a cure-all. Wish it was. But the people who aren't getting it, are mainly at fault for continuing the spread in hot-spots.

What is Tucker Carlson? And people should not assume so much into the posts. Makes them look uneducated

 

[jc100]

Clearly, there is a low barrier to publishing, it is when the study's conclusion and the statement in the article say very different things. Especially when the error is in the introduction of said article.

Nope. That’s really an apex journal. Most researchers will never publish there in their lifetime as they won’t meet the strict criteria. It has an extremely high impact factor.

 

[jc100]

What is Tucker Carlson? And people should not assume so much into the posts. Makes them look uneducated

A Tucker Carlson is a privileged frat boy with a terminal case of constipation and a penchant for lying out his ass.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

A Tucker Carlson is a privileged frat boy with a terminal case of constipation and a penchant for lying out his ass.

I don't read his news program.

 

[ToSlow]

I don't read his news program.

Ohhh looook at you making a funny, How cute. Have you anything to add that would inspire the thread or just gonna keep trolling and try to get little digs in?

 

[Dimitri]

Nope. That’s really an apex journal. Most researchers will never publish there in their lifetime as they won’t meet the strict criteria. It has an extremely high impact factor.

All you are doing is proving my point, that medical research is highly flawed, especially arguing for an article that was published with such a glaring mis-citation as this one.

So thanks again!

 

[PrivatePilot]

But the Delta variant while not hospitalizing as many vaccinated people, is killing nearly as many vaccinated as unvaccinated.

Citation please.

Some midwest states are starting to see case numbers increase.

Geez, never saw that coming, said nobody. Ever.

 

[PrivatePilot]

First USA based cruise ship left Florida today touting "99% of the passengers vaccinated".


But....

Celebrity Cruises, one of Royal Caribbean Cruise's brands, says 99% of the passengers are vaccinated, well over the 95% requirement imposed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

A giant greeting was projected on a wall of one of the port buildings: "Someday is here. Welcome back."

Passengers arrived with matching T-shirts that read phrases such as “straight outta vaccination” and “vaccinated and ready to cruise."

“Words can’t describe how excited we are to be a part of this historic sailing today,” said Elizabeth Rosner, 28, who moved from Michigan to Orlando, in December 2019 with her fiancé just to be close to the cruise industry’s hub.

To comply with both the CDC’s requirement and a new Florida law banning businesses from requiring customers to show proof of vaccination, Celebrity Cruises asked guests if they would like to share their vaccination status. Those who did not show or say they are vaccinated face additional restrictions.

So....honour system then?

Who wants to bet the percentage of people who were not vaccinated that said they were to avoid all the inconvenient restrictions that were put in place to avoid the Florida rules nonsense?

Will be interesting to see how this pans out.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

Ohhh looook at you making a funny, How cute. Have you anything to add that would inspire the thread or just gonna keep trolling and try to get little digs in?

Have you tried using facts? No. Nonsense in = nonsense out.